NEED POSTS!! i want to know ur thoughts on ABortion

[IcarusDream]

divineseraph

No, again, explain nihilists. If all people value born human lives, explain Dahmer.

Or are we being selectively objective now?

Yes, we always have been. Why do you ask? It's majority rules objectivity.

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And born people? But what about only 200 years ago, when it was so obvious that only born, white christian males deserved the full protection of the law? Of course, THEY must have been right too, because the popular moral beliefe at the time said so!

Of course, that's just how things are now.

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As for mutual purpose- These don't mean anything to one who does not believe in them. Again, the nihilist. The nihilist believes that values EXIST, yes, but that they are as pointless as the pointless processes they are based on.

And again, the way it is is that the majority sets the objectives. The majority does not seem to be the nihilists...people seem to want a government that has a purpose.

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And you know what I meant. Once a bodily function is under way, one cannot simply WILL it to not happen or to take a different course. Yes, positive attitudes can help healing processes and whatnot, but one cannot think "I wish this fracture was gone!" and instantly have mended bones.

Point being? What one decides to do withoneself is under one's prerogatives, which is my point. You seem to be making the statement that we can't choose when we can't physically choose, which is obvious.

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Again, assuming there are no universal morals... From the standpoint of a vegan, animal lives matter, from the standpoint of a lifer, fetal lives have value, from the stance of a choicer, born people have value, from the mindset of a nihilist, nothing has value.

On a tangent, what type of value do you really find in a bloody mass that just could be human? I don't see any. I'm like, what the hell is that gonna do for me. Or you. Or anyone. Its nothing but a bloody mess. It has no value whatsoever.

But to the main point, do you value your kidney? At all? Or do I have the right to take it from you when I want/need it? Or what about your lung? You only need one of those...I could just take it...the surgery is onnlyyy a minnoorrr risk (not..) but still. It'd be nice to have.

Or what about your mother's heart? She's about to die, she doesn't need it. There's barely any potential in her. There's less potential in her than in a fetus, so obviously her life is even less valuable.

Could I borrow your dad's leg?

What about your wife's ovaries? Maybe her eggs, could I have some of those? My wife doesn't have any. It'd be nice, you don't really seem to value them too much, you hardly ever think about them....

Ah, I need your kids bone marrow, you don't value the right to bodily domain, so I can just take your kid's bone marrow. I can obviously take it, you might want to be there at the surgery. The screams are usually pretty loud and the procedure is very painful.

I mean, with your values, I can do all of this.

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And take away money. With no system of comparison, and with no system of value, there can be no want or greed. How do you steal from a place in which everything is free?

Enslavement.

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My system involves all people working in production, making food and shelter and supplies and mechinery. Instead of pay, people will be able to take the surplus of all the other produce, which would be held in a large, open warehouse. Factories would be managed by the workers in a union- no one group could own an entire company. This would ensure that all people had to create produce in order to attain produce.

What's the fun in that? I could think of nothing more boring or less desirable as far as a living goes. Talk about a deprivation of psychological necessities. You do realize that people need a sense of value? If they can't compare themselves and feel good, their self-esteem goes to capoot.

And before you say it, do you really think that people would feel good about working harder than others? What kind of bullshit is that?

This is the age of millenials. A totally new psychology is associated with this generation. Marxism is outdated.  

[divineseraph]

Yeah, funny... You seem to say that laws are right if many people agree with them... I would hate to see you in Nazi Germany, you'd be Heiling Fuhrer and gassing jews left and right. those damned crazy greedy sub-humans...

And why Jesus, then? A lot of people thought he was a false prophet..in fact, pretty much all of the jews did. So, this means that since the masses are always right, jesus is a false prophet?

With oneself, not another. A fetus is another being, in a temporary state of stasis and development. You cannot take my lung because it belongs to me. You cannot take a fetus' life because it belongs to the fetus. It is not a "might be human", it IS a human. What else is it? A duck? A cat? An organge, most delicious of vegetables? (Inside joke)


And enslavement for what? No item has value. So you would be an emperor of nothing. And how would you enslave? Go up to each individual worker in the workers union, knock them down, steal their bike and tell then that they are now officially slaves? And once we start having a leader, it is no longer communism anyway. Your point is moot.

And maybe to a greedy a*****e who feels then eed to fill some sort of void with objects worth more than the common man's items. Sounds like a depressing psychological disorder to me. And no, not working harder than others. ******** that. The incentive would be having needs met. To say that it is impossible simply because you do not have the capacity to work to meet your needs and not to get better s**t than everyone else doesn't mean that this is the way it must be for everyone. In fact, I would argue that this mindset comes FROM capitalism, which forces a dog-eat-dog attitude on people.

You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. I hope someday you'll join us, and the world will live as one.  

[IcarusDream]

divineseraph

Yeah, funny... You seem to say that laws are right if many people agree with them... I would hate to see you in Nazi Germany, you'd be Heiling Fuhrer and gassing jews left and right. those damned crazy greedy sub-humans...

If they're right, then they're right. If they're wrong, then they're wrong. Your view on the Jews not being slum bags is only your opinion. If I define someone who is Jewish as a horrible person that should be persecuted, there's no reason not to persecute Jews then simply because of the definition. Horrible/slumbagism/goodness is subjective, and that is why a society that persecutes Jews for no reason, that seems rational to us, can be right.

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And why Jesus, then? A lot of people thought he was a false prophet..in fact, pretty much all of the jews did. So, this means that since the masses are always right, jesus is a false prophet?

Isn't he?

Woops. I said that out loud.

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With oneself, not another. A fetus is another being, in a temporary state of stasis and development. You cannot take my lung because it belongs to me. You cannot take a fetus' life because it belongs to the fetus. It is not a "might be human", it IS a human. What else is it? A duck? A cat? An organge, most delicious of vegetables? (Inside joke)

What is my brain tumor? It is human. Is it a whole human? No. But neither is a fetus.

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And enslavement for what? No item has value. So you would be an emperor of nothing.

Are you kidding? Dude, fellatio is amazing.

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And how would you enslave? Go up to each individual worker in the workers union, knock them down, steal their bike and tell then that they are now officially slaves? And once we start having a leader, it is no longer communism anyway. Your point is moot.

The point is really that you will not get rid of people who want to feel higher than others.

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And maybe to a greedy a*****e who feels then eed to fill some sort of void with objects worth more than the common man's items. Sounds like a depressing psychological disorder to me. And no, not working harder than others. ******** that. The incentive would be having needs met.

And my needs are to know that I am better than someone. Savvy?

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To say that it is impossible simply because you do not have the capacity to work to meet your needs and not to get better s**t than everyone else doesn't mean that this is the way it must be for everyone. In fact, I would argue that this mindset comes FROM capitalism, which forces a dog-eat-dog attitude on people.

I would really argue that this mindset comes from God. We can obviously push ourselves over other people. We are better than they are for we will be saved in our faith!

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You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. I hope someday you'll join us, and the world will live as one.

I live with realism, sorry. It is true, that as long as there is an unequal distribution of wealth there will be differing opinions, strife, and pain, but that is what your God would let us have and therefore it is not going away.  

[divineseraph]

So, you are for the holocaust? For slavery? Simply based on legal definitions of words at the time? I'm sorry, this is retarded.

A fetus IS a whole human in a stage of development. It is not a human ear, it is not a human nose, kidney or lung. It is a human in the fetal stage of development. Like how a three-year-old is human but developing, a 15 year old is a human in a stage of development. A jew is a human, a black person is a human, a fetus is a person, a 103 year old woman is a person.

And now you're just being stupid. So, since there is no way to make a logical argument on how to take something from nothing, you make a sex joke? And if by some chance of idiocy you are serious, I'm sure it's so easy to make an enitre democratic nation into sex slaves. Have fun with that theory.

And that is made by capitalism, that feeling of superiority. That or you're just an a*****e. I'm leaning towards the latter theory. And no, maybe you mean other christians. I am not even a christian, I am a triunificationist. All three major religions seem connected. Even hindu and buddhism have parts which could be connected to the main three. So I feel no superiority over anyone based on religion. At least not on the aspect of "salvation". I don't much care for bigots who claim that their way is the only way and anyone who will not convert must burn for eternity.

And this is why I say- Take away unequal distrobutions of wealth. Destroy it, make it no longer exist. Take away the means to GET unequal distrobutions of wealth.  

[IcarusDream]

divineseraph

So, you are for the holocaust? For slavery? Simply based on legal definitions of words at the time? I'm sorry, this is retarded.

Firstly, the point was that right and wrong are subjective.

Secondly, why not? The Bible is very for slavery and for the holocaust of certain peoples. We should be just the same.

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A fetus IS a whole human in a stage of development. It is not a human ear, it is not a human nose, kidney or lung. It is a human in the fetal stage of development. Like how a three-year-old is human but developing, a 15 year old is a human in a stage of development. A jew is a human, a black person is a human, a fetus is a person, a 103 year old woman is a person.

At certain stages it doesn't even have a nose, a kidney or a lung. Potential life means crap to me.

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And now you're just being stupid. So, since there is no way to make a logical argument on how to take something from nothing, you make a sex joke? And if by some chance of idiocy you are serious, I'm sure it's so easy to make an enitre democratic nation into sex slaves. Have fun with that theory.

I think that you really should explain how you plan to make the world a single democratic nation that willingly puts itself into a socialist type state. Until then, I think I might just stay ridiculous.

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And that is made by capitalism

By God. Not by capitalism.

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That or you're just an a*****e. I'm leaning towards the latter theory.

It's quite probable.

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And no, maybe you mean other christians. I am not even a christian, I am a triunificationist. All three major religions seem connected. Even hindu and buddhism have parts which could be connected to the main three. So I feel no superiority over anyone based on religion. At least not on the aspect of "salvation". I don't much care for bigots who claim that their way is the only way and anyone who will not convert must burn for eternity.

Triunnificationist? Do you mean that you would have the three major Abrahamic faiths united as one?

If I thought you were a dreamer before...It'd probably be easier to get rid of religion altogether.

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And this is why I say- Take away unequal distrobutions of wealth. Destroy it, make it no longer exist. Take away the means to GET unequal distrobutions of wealth.

Mr. Madison was only half right with his doctrine on wealth, I think. Unequal wisdoms, experience, and religion (and certainly there are other things..) can lead just as easily to disagreement...

[Please start responding with the quote system if you make direct responses to particular phrases of mine. It can be hard to sift through what you say to find the appropriate section of my post that you are talking about.]  

[divineseraph]

You have nothing more to say to me.

I'm pretty sure now that you are nothing more than an advanced troll.

Talking to a wall would be more effective, and it would quite probably carry on a more meaningful conversation.  

[IcarusDream]

divineseraph

You have nothing more to say to me.

We'd just be going over the same things. Our values are simply different. You believe that there is a chance that we can unite without greed and I don't (I like to think I'm realistic with that belief...but it is no matter.) You value the life of a fetus and I value the right to bodily domain to an extent that protects the woman more than any parasitic humanoid. And so on and so forth.

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I'm pretty sure now that you are nothing more than an advanced troll.

It's hard to get anywhere with anyone when the arguments you have together are down to hardcore opinions, with little difference other than in theories.

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Talking to a wall would be more effective, and it would quite probably carry on a more meaningful conversation.

So would say many that I talk to, but I am not totally obstinate. There are a small number who could testify to that, though.