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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 10:29 pm


Kyle_Rayner
Time for a loaded question:

Any of you dispute the recent action of the NCAA in banning Native American mascots (and maybe logos) from collegiate sports arenas?

I feel both ways on it.

On one hand, some of the mascots and logos are designed in a less than totally respectful manner... and do not always promote a realistic understanding of the nations they are based on.


On the other hand, stuff like "minutemen" or "patriots" aren't always treated in a totally respectful manner either, so a certain level of caracature is established as the norm.

Also, they can encourage those whose teams are represented by them to pursue knowledge about these nations that they might not otherwise be interested in. Knowledge breeds understanding.

This decision also closes the door to an area that actually understands its team's namesake (and possibly has a decent concentration of students/residents who are connected to said namesake) to represent their heritage and/or regional history.

It also smacks of attempting to sweet the issue of the wrongs done in the past under the carpet by declaring that nobody mention anything about it.


To be honest, I feel that this ban is a bad thing. If it was an issue of misinformation, they could have taken steps to promote better understanding. Rather, it seems to be yet another instance of simply pretending that Native Americans never existed because it is easier than dealing with the mess at hand.

Done right, these namesake teams could be a legacy to the courage and prowess of a people done wrong as well as a great way to promote awareness... but rather than do it right, the powers that be would rather drop the issue.

Granted, I haven't exactly been following this issue too tightly, so I don't know exactly which groups were putting the pressure on the NCAA... and while I have some native heritage, it is seriously watered down, so I will not have had to deal with issues in the same manner as someone raised within the community.
PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 10:29 pm


Kyle_Rayner
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I dunno. I think they've gone a bit overboard on PC-ness on the whole thing.


I knew this would drag you out of the woodwork. Anyway. Am I, as a full blooded tribal recognized Siouan, offended by Indian-themed sports mascots? Yes.

I have a problem with sacred things, objects, and ideas; the drum, song, painted faces, regalia, eagle feathers, not being used/portrayed at sacred events no, but being used (pretended) at what amounts to an illegal immigrant's sporting events.

Would blacks like it if there was a Black Panther mascot or team? Would whites like it if there was a Cracker or Jesus mascot? No. Yet they think its not offensive to us. Why? Because theres not enough of us to make a loud enough otherwise.
Mascots I'm not too happy with. There's no reason for someone to be dressed up in "warpaint" and whatnot running around like an idiot in a sports venue. I don't care if they're full blooded or not. It's just... offensive. It's the logos I take issue with. I see absolutely nothing offensive about a stylized Native American being used as a logo. I find it rather flattering. Native Americans are seen as being strong warriors. To have a team named Warriors, Braves, or Chiefs and have it referring to Native Americans is not a BAD THING.

But then again, I just may be pissed off to see this:
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Not only is it ugly as sin, but... What the ******** does it have to do with a Chief??? scream

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 10:30 pm


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*loves Zero and ky up, like, zomg*

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 10:31 pm


Kyle_Rayner
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Oh yeah... Kyle.... *grabs, turns upside down, shakes violently, turns right side up, opens his mouth, and peers in* I think he broked.


eek What? sweatdrop
See? He broked. No Magic 8-Ball reply. I cry. crying

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 10:31 pm


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I dunno. I think they've gone a bit overboard on PC-ness on the whole thing.


I knew this would drag you out of the woodwork. Anyway. Am I, as a full blooded tribal recognized Siouan, offended by Indian-themed sports mascots? Yes.

I have a problem with sacred things, objects, and ideas; the drum, song, painted faces, regalia, eagle feathers, not being used/portrayed at sacred events no, but being used (pretended) at what amounts to an illegal immigrant's sporting events.

Would blacks like it if there was a Black Panther mascot or team? Would whites like it if there was a Cracker or Jesus mascot? No. Yet they think its not offensive to us. Why? Because theres not enough of us to make a loud enough otherwise.
Mascots I'm not too happy with. There's no reason for someone to be dressed up in "warpaint" and whatnot running around like an idiot in a sports venue. I don't care if they're full blooded or not. It's just... offensive. It's the logos I take issue with. I see absolutely nothing offensive about a stylized Native American being used as a logo. I find it rather flattering. Native Americans are seen as being strong warriors. To have a team named Warriors, Braves, or Chiefs and have it referring to Native Americans is not a BAD THING.

But then again, I just may be pissed off to see this:
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Not only is it ugly as sin, but... What the ******** does it have to do with a Chief??? scream


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 10:32 pm


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Anyone want to fish? I need something to do. *sigh*
I think I might've gotten sunburn on my nose... maybe. It's peeling, but it never hurt or itched in the least. I'm confused. gonk
No problem, then. It was probably just leprosy.
sweatdrop But Native Americans can't get leprosy.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 10:33 pm


Peppermint Elf
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Anyone want to fish? I need something to do. *sigh*
I think I might've gotten sunburn on my nose... maybe. It's peeling, but it never hurt or itched in the least. I'm confused. gonk
No problem, then. It was probably just leprosy.
sweatdrop But Native Americans can't get leprosy.


But they can get their Gaian Items stolen by pantsless Asians. *kidnaps OMG*
PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 10:36 pm


Peppermint Elf
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Anyone want to fish? I need something to do. *sigh*
I think I might've gotten sunburn on my nose... maybe. It's peeling, but it never hurt or itched in the least. I'm confused. gonk
No problem, then. It was probably just leprosy.
sweatdrop But Native Americans can't get leprosy.

Now that I did not know.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 10:37 pm


Atemu
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Malaryush
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Anyone want to fish? I need something to do. *sigh*
I think I might've gotten sunburn on my nose... maybe. It's peeling, but it never hurt or itched in the least. I'm confused. gonk
No problem, then. It was probably just leprosy.
sweatdrop But Native Americans can't get leprosy.


But they can get their Gaian Items stolen by pantsless Asians. *kidnaps OMG*
eek scream

Stream: *applauds* You said everything I wanted to say in much more eloquent way than I ever could.
PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 10:39 pm


Peppermint Elf
Atemu
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Malaryush
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Tzrakz
Anyone want to fish? I need something to do. *sigh*
I think I might've gotten sunburn on my nose... maybe. It's peeling, but it never hurt or itched in the least. I'm confused. gonk
No problem, then. It was probably just leprosy.
sweatdrop But Native Americans can't get leprosy.


But they can get their Gaian Items stolen by pantsless Asians. *kidnaps OMG*
eek scream

Stream: *applauds* You said everything I wanted to say in much more eloquent way than I ever could.

Its what I do.

So, is this immunity to leprosy genetic, or merely another of the superpowers y'all have been gracious enough to not subjugate us crackers through the use of?

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 10:41 pm


Well... I'm about to get up, and when I do my connection will drop for another week, If not.... then yay?
PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 10:44 pm


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Atemu
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Malaryush
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Tzrakz
Anyone want to fish? I need something to do. *sigh*
I think I might've gotten sunburn on my nose... maybe. It's peeling, but it never hurt or itched in the least. I'm confused. gonk
No problem, then. It was probably just leprosy.
sweatdrop But Native Americans can't get leprosy.


But they can get their Gaian Items stolen by pantsless Asians. *kidnaps OMG*
eek scream

Stream: *applauds* You said everything I wanted to say in much more eloquent way than I ever could.


*places it on his head* heart

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 10:48 pm


Streamjumper
Its what I do.

So, is this immunity to leprosy genetic, or merely another of the superpowers y'all have been gracious enough to not subjugate us crackers through the use of?
Well, I'm not really all that informed on it myself. My mother's a bit more knowledgable on this than I am, but it's almost 2am and she'd seperate my head from my neck if I were to ask right now. sweatdrop

Edit: However, if this was a case of my mom messing with me, I'll glare at her venomously for you. xd
PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 10:57 pm


Atemu
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Atemu
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Malaryush
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Tzrakz
Anyone want to fish? I need something to do. *sigh*
I think I might've gotten sunburn on my nose... maybe. It's peeling, but it never hurt or itched in the least. I'm confused. gonk
No problem, then. It was probably just leprosy.
sweatdrop But Native Americans can't get leprosy.


But they can get their Gaian Items stolen by pantsless Asians. *kidnaps OMG*
eek scream

Stream: *applauds* You said everything I wanted to say in much more eloquent way than I ever could.


*places it on his head* heart
stare It makes your head look too big and lumpy. Best to take it off. *brandishes a mala with a scalpel ready for head amputation*

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 10:59 pm


Peppermint Elf
Atemu
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Atemu
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Malaryush
Peppermint Elf
Tzrakz
Anyone want to fish? I need something to do. *sigh*
I think I might've gotten sunburn on my nose... maybe. It's peeling, but it never hurt or itched in the least. I'm confused. gonk
No problem, then. It was probably just leprosy.
sweatdrop But Native Americans can't get leprosy.


But they can get their Gaian Items stolen by pantsless Asians. *kidnaps OMG*
eek scream

Stream: *applauds* You said everything I wanted to say in much more eloquent way than I ever could.


*places it on his head* heart
stare It makes your head look too big and lumpy. Best to take it off. *brandishes sword*


Gaia heads are already big and lumpy. surprised

Not only that, the Joker hat devours the OMG, so it looks like three thingies with ear covers. domokun
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