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 Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 7:54 am
TvIaMsOqTuHeYz I thought I did only reference her as Kyoko in direct thoughts, otherwise I called her Kye because Kyoko is longer to type. He is 30 feet away from them and can see that one who isn't even directly facing him doesn't have a slip of paper on her mouth? He must have great vision. Oh well, I can always just cut his link seal on his hand. Since that wouldn't constitute as removing his hand, nor killing him. Heck, even removing his hand would work if you cut the seal.
I'm at my desk at work and I can see clear across the room (at least 50+ feet away). I can count 8 people's heads and I can see the mouths of 5 of them and could easily tell if a piece of paper was plastered across them or not, since all it requires is actually seeing their lips or not.
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 8:27 am
Adding to that, I myself can easily spot minute details at upwards of fifty feet or so, and I'm short sighted.
Besides that there's a couple points to consider. One, an explosive tag is quite large. Going by the description in the shopping list, 3x5 inches. And two, with three hostages, presumably tied back to back, and two tags removed, at least one of the hostages with no tag is going to ave her face in full view of the thief. If he placed them with any real planning he probably had full view of two, while the third would be facing the other way. Even with no training at all it's highly unlikely they would be arranged with two facing away from him.
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Hinote Tosatsu Vice Captain
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 2:00 pm
If I had thought Raphael should have died, I would have killed him. From the logic in the sentence prior, I think it should now be clear to you that Raphael is not dead... simply critically injured.
With the edits Hinote made to explosive tags, they are not as strong as you are assuming. Yes, you are critically injured, but Hinote and I discussed this earlier and that explosive tag was akin to you being hit by a C-rank fireball, except with concussive/explosive force. Luckily for you, it WASN'T a grenade, or the fragmentation would have likely punctured your organs and killed you.
You messed up, that's for sure... but you don't have to be so dramatic about it. Use it as an opportunity to expand your character, learn from your mistakes, and make your character grow as a result.
If you want to use this as an excuse to kill your character, then that's your call. But me and Hinote discussed this and we both agreed that you wouldn't be killed by a single explosive tag, even at close range.
As such, your character lies critically injured.{{Please delete your post in the RP thread and post any further discussion you want to have about it here. Thanks!}}
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 2:18 pm
Yes, I'm killing him off. I can't play him satisfactorily, and I'm nothing short of a terrible roleplayer, so I don't deserve to have a second RPC. I'll mess with Laxus, although he won't amount to much as Hinote clearly made it obvious. Critically injured with the current work load of the hospital and Enro having to fight for his own life, otherwise known as dead in less than a minute.
a C rank fireball that is 15 feet in all directions. Raphael would have easily been completely enveloped. And as far as the Grenade goes, the 6-7 feet IS the concussive force killing him. Unless Hinote toned it down to a 1-2 foot radius, Raphael would die. Raphael is 6' tall. His wingspan is about 3 feet, take off six inches for his palm being flat when he had it on the wall, and you're stuck with 2 1/2 feet difference. So again, unless Hinote nerfed the Explosive tags to near uselessness against solid objects, the tag killed him.
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Hinote Tosatsu Vice Captain
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 2:49 pm
Don't. Seriously. Every time you get into a rough spot or think your character has lost potential, you kill them. This has been determined to be a non-fatal injury, one that you in fact brought on yourself by making what was probably the worst possible move in the scenario. Both Cobra and I have already come up with plans to compensate for and build from this mistake, with the intention to both help grow Raphael as a character, and yourself as a roleplayer. Deciding for yourself what has already been deemed nonfatal kills your character wastes the time and effort of everyone around you, both in actions already taken, and in plans made for your benefit.
If you decide to go through with this as a death anyways (In which case if you do not, Cobra or myself will be adding a short post describing how Raphael, after realizing he was badly injured decided he couldn't face life and killed himself.), you will not be allowed a second character at all, at least until you have proven that this habit has been dealt with. To make others train with, or run missions for your character wen you're just going to kill yourself off anyways is unfair to all involved. It's even unfair to yourself, as it is impossible to grow and develop a character if you let them die at the first opportunity.
If you continue to take every shortcoming or failure as the end of the world (At least for that character), you will never be able to grow, either as a character or a roleplayer. Every flaw that has been pointed out in Laxus has been done so to allow you to fix it. Every mistake Raphael has made can be built upon to make him stronger and better.
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 2:57 pm
... What the hell happened in Suna.
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 3:49 pm
Look, I apologize for my brashness, for some reason I've been uncharacteristically angry both here and IRL. Like wishing to punch babies in the face kind of angry. I don't know why, and I really don't care. For now it seems to have passed, so hopefully I won't be getting mad again anytime soon.
I really don't like how you and Cobra are shaping MY character how you two want him to be. I want Raphael to be an insanely smart shinobi with utmost respect for his village, and little to no conscience about the loss of life of enemies. Hell, I'm probably going to have Raphael take this incident and use it to fuel the hatred of any who stand in his way, or attempts to harm anyone in his village or in his direct care. Or I could go the complete opposite direction and have Raphael become a nervous wreck, completely scared of confrontation who does simple mail delivery missions until he knows all about seals, and is capable of ranking up. Then in a severely grotesque twist he has a second personality that takes over when David sends Raphael out to take a mission outside of the village, and Raphael is beset by Bandits. This alternate persona not only kills the bandits, but decided to destroy the bodies all except for their pinkie toes and wears it as a necklace. In short, please don't tell me you've got plans for my character. It is mine to characterize as I see fit. I also like how you dislike Laxus talking over Kensei when he stumbled over his own words not once but twice, once in the lobby and once in the Kazekage's office. I'm not going to fix it because I still firmly believe that it was the right thing to do. If a leader isn't capable of doing, then a subordinate should stand up and take the mantle. That is something Laxus lives by, and I'm not going to change it simply because David took offense to it.
I'm going to keep him, but I still want to know one thing... What are this thug's base stats? Not only did he dodge TWO kunai flying at him from different angles, and still activate the seal shortly after someone who is C rank in speed traveled a mere 5 feet or so, but he did so without even thinking, or pause. I know Cobra said he paused, but seriously, how would he have been able to do so so quickly?
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 3:51 pm
iAkura-kun ... What the hell happened in Suna. Overpowered jounin blew up the kage's tower, big fight involving myself, sunagakure, and some kumo people against the dude happened, we won, suna's rebuilding, Yamatano's looking for leads on a mission, and thieves are robbing stores and holding hostages while a lady with one arm and her little tykes run in to save the day. Need anything cleared up?
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Hinote Tosatsu Vice Captain
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:12 pm
Timmy, I have no intention of shaping the character myself. That is, as always, up to you. The plans I referred to are as simple as teaching the character. Cobra's intentions, as he explained to me, are to have Kye explain to Raphael where he screwed up badly enough for that to happen. My own are a bit more in depth, but directed towards actual training, not personality. Of course, when I say training it's a lot more in depth than "Here's a jutsu, learn it.". If Raphael takes the chance to learn from Yasashii, he'll have to work for every scrap he learns, but he'll learn a lot more by it than he would otherwise. It's up to you to take these scenarios and push them for your own growth. In whatever direction you choose, be it to try and be a mini-Yasashii, or a whacked out madman disregarding everything he teaches him.
As for Laxus, the reasons behind David's reaction were a lot more than just him not liking the wrong person speaking up. Going just with that though, having a subordinate overstep their bounds and speak out rather than the superior, without in fact giving the superior the chance to speak, was, at least in his eyes, a blatant disrespect of himself and his office. You won't see a nobleman and his servant going before the king, and the servant speaking over the top of his master. The king could, and probably would, have him executed for it, and the noble would have him beaten later if the king didn't.
But no. The main reason he acted as he did was because of everything you did BEFORE entering the office. Initially Laxus gave away information about their mission, to a random person they had just met. Later, he initialized a discussion between his team that gave away very nearly every personal detail about them and their abilities. All of that, followed by him speaking out the second he entered the office, and David was quite serious when he said he'd be doing Kumo a favor by removing his tongue.
The second, harsher post was because of his attitude in response to the first.
Again, all that is to be taken as you like in how you grow from it. David was attempting, in his own way, to impress the importance of a ninja both holding their tongue, and not speaking out of turn. Laxus could take that as a valuable life lesson, or as he did, a reason to despise David. It's actually quite amusing to me the direction you've taken it, though I have a feeling it's going to be a bit rough when this new Raikage personality finally weeds out the finer details.
Interestingly enough, David follows a similar way of thinking. If he feels the superior is, in fact, inferior, he'll basically ignore their existence as much as possible, as he did with Koizumi. However, when meeting a "Superior" that he doesn't know, he holds his tongue and respect, as he tried to instill in Laxus. Because you never know how that superior might react to your attitude. They might laugh it off and ignore it, or they might drag you around their office by your hair until you get the point.
Or just kill you and eat your vital organs for dinner. I seriously don't recommend crossing Zin anytime soon.
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:22 pm
Hinote Tosatsu Or just kill you and eat your vital organs for dinner. I seriously don't recommend crossing Zin anytime soon. As the possible #1 target on Zin's kill list, let me reaffirm this statement a million times over.
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:45 pm
It's just when you say that you have plans to grow Raphael as a character, it seems like you're attempting to take over my character and force it in the direction you want him to go in. Now if you re-worded it so that it was provide an environment for him to grow, or the resources for him to grow, I'd have understood it much easier.
Kensei DID have the chance to speak, and he spent it insulting David as far as Laxus was concerned. Laxus spoke up both to avoid Kensei saying something else laxus thought was insulting, and to tell David the reason they were there. As far as the Anbu go, I still have my reservations on the authenticity of that, since Laxus would have been able to tell his position since Laxus can sense metal, down to where anyone sporting a piece of it on their body would be. He'd have known an ANBU was in the shadows, so easily that he wouldn't have spoken up while still in the village. I used that opportunity to characterize Laxus, exactly like I was told to do, and inadvertently I was punished for it. I'm not saying that it isn't unreasonable, I whole heartedly agree that an ANBU could have spied on them. But you didn't even mention it. Without mention, I don't have any way of knowing what can happen. Just like how the Thug could see two of the women's faces. I had assumed Enro had made the guy wander over to a point where he could see only one girl's face clearly, and another from the side. Then if the woman whose face was slightly obscured tilted her head in one direction, he couldn't see her mouth. Then if someone came out and saw it, it would have made much more sense to me. As it stands, I'm still skeptical, and wish Cobra would have explained the positioning of the women.
Second? Kensei told Laxus to get out after David clamped his mouth. Again, auto hit, but I can see why it would have been bad to block. I just like how neither of the other two thought David was wrong to have Laxus' life in his hands, or thought that it wasn't okay for someone to do that to an ambassador from their own village. ( Was that the second? I don't remember one before that... sweatdrop )
Laxus will simply explain that he couldn't sense any metal aside from Kensei and Sora's own metal. Not even any headbands, so he was completely unaware that they were being watched, or even if they were. He'll also point out that it was a mistake on whoever assigned him to the mission's behalf for sending someone who had only been in the village for a month.
Laxus won't completely ignore them, but he will step in and preform their duty if they become truly inefficient in his own view. But as you can tell, whose company he is in doesn't really matter to him, although he might bite his tongue the next time he goes somewhere, if he goes anywhere. I also had him speak up because I couldn't think of anything else to post, and I didn't want to just sit there.
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:23 pm
I did say help grow...
Honestly Kensei's initial "Greeting" there seemed more to me, and by extension David, had Laxus not interrupted, like mild and foolish banter, as a lot of people enjoy going through before getting to the point. He honestly would have found Laxus; following statements more insulting than the perceived insult from Kensei. (The assumption that you would be insulted is often more insulting than the implied insult. And the method of delivery was rather demeaning.)
As I believe has been mentioned off and on many times, Laxus at this stage of his life does not, or should not, have access to any of the Jiton abilities. Even the passive abilities such as that require the third element to be unlocked, and that in itself should only occur after a life or death situation. (I honestly believe a combination element should only be unlocked after chuunin rank at the earliest.) Sensing metal in your sensory range would be one such locked ability.
Assuming you had the ability however, there are many other ways of observing you. Your range, for one, is very small at that rank. it wouldn't be hard at all for the ANBU to be beyond your range. The room could be designed with one way walls, as I believe was my original intent. The room could also be layered with recording or transmitter seals, relaying anything said within to another room where someone is listening. These are just the first few methods I can think of off the top of my head. Basically though, any time you are outside of your own village walls, i the wrong time to tell anyone anything that could be construed as a village secret, except in the case that you have ensured that you are indeed alone. Had you made any attempt at securing the room before having your discussion, you very well could have discovered your observers and known to remain silent.
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On the mention of the mission, I have no doubt that, had you taken the time to wait it out and posted that you were observing the area for more tactical information, rather than rushing in, Cobra would have expanded his description of the scene. This entire mission was designed as a puzzle to be solved. By waiting a bit longer and examining it from more angles, you would have been given more pieces. However you instead took the pieces you were given, and tried to put together the puzzle with only half the pieces. I've been in discussion with Cobra about the mission since the planning stages, and even I don't have all the pieces. I do however, know that it's quite thoroughly planned out. Course, Raphael threw a bit of a wrench into the plan with that last move.
You mention you assumed something. I can't help but remind you of Kye's last words before the mission began. Never assume anything.
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The sand over the mouth was the first reaction. Second was after Laxus tried to leave. As for the ambassador bit... The only one that would officially be considered an ambassador would be Kensei. Laxus and Sora were merely his backup team. We could argue that point back and forth all day I'm sure, but as the highest ranking member, and the one assigned the mission in the first place, Kensei was the actual ambassador.
The only time David actually had Laxus' life in his hands was during the fall into the pit, so I'm not sure why you put it that way.
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Hinote Tosatsu Vice Captain
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:08 am
Hinote Tosatsu On the mention of the mission, I have no doubt that, had you taken the time to wait it out and posted that you were observing the area for more tactical information, rather than rushing in, Cobra would have expanded his description of the scene. This entire mission was designed as a puzzle to be solved. By waiting a bit longer and examining it from more angles, you would have been given more pieces. However you instead took the pieces you were given, and tried to put together the puzzle with only half the pieces. I've been in discussion with Cobra about the mission since the planning stages, and even I don't have all the pieces. I do however, know that it's quite thoroughly planned out. Course, Raphael threw a bit of a wrench into the plan with that last move. You mention you assumed something. I can't help but remind you of Kye's last words before the mission began. Never assume anything.
When I run missions, I don't give all the details... I let those who interact with the mission shape and define it through their role-playing. I have vague ideas and concepts that I create and I know more or less what is going to happen, but I don't solidify anything. If I did, I'd just be funneling other RPers into a tunnel that they were forced to travel... but as it is, those who participate are writing the scenario just as much as I am. I find it's a much more engaging way to Roleplay.
Don't worry Timmy, though mistakes were made and your character critically injured, it often leads to more better RPing that you can do then if you were healthy and well off.
...if I could, just one suggestion as you continue forward... Keep in mind in your next post that your lungs are pretty heavily injured. Speaking is not easy for you and your breathing is very labored. Every breath and every word would hurt immensely... so try to keep that in mind.
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:38 am
Gregar828 iAkura-kun ... What the hell happened in Suna. Overpowered jounin blew up the kage's tower, big fight involving myself, sunagakure, and some kumo people against the dude happened, we won, suna's rebuilding, Yamatano's looking for leads on a mission, and thieves are robbing stores and holding hostages while a lady with one arm and her little tykes run in to save the day. Need anything cleared up? Damn.
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:38 pm
Anyone know where I can find a good picture of someone covered in bandages? I don't think I want Raphael repaired much more than capability. I don't really need him healed up to the point he looks good anymore, so I'll be leaving his body mostly scarred.
I want something on the level as the dude that burned in Rurouni Kenshin.
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