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 Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 3:30 pm
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 3:38 pm
@ Cobra
So we wouldn't be able to do it even though it is in sandstone? Sandstone isn't really that hard, people can break it with their bare hands with relative ease. They'd probably end up breaking it instead of bending it with the metal.
I'm not saying an entire building, just pieces of it, like a piece large enough to wrap around an opponent. I kind of thought that the strength of an opponent would hinder it, but I thought that S rank strength would overtake the building. Now that I know it can't, I'm not going to try that at any point. ^>^ Kinda glad I asked.
Maybe not chunks on the level of entire walls, but couldn't one severely damage the wall and pull out pieces of Rebar?
@ Hinote
ah. xD Is David making a hole in the ground like Zin?
Okay, so the jutsu was expanded beyond belief for the sake of getting rid of your unsightly thread. xD Okay. ^>^
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 7:15 pm
TvIaMsOqTuHeYz So we wouldn't be able to do it even though it is in sandstone? Sandstone isn't really that hard, people can break it with their bare hands with relative ease. They'd probably end up breaking it instead of bending it with the metal. TvIaMsOqTuHeYz I'm not saying an entire building, just pieces of it, like a piece large enough to wrap around an opponent. I kind of thought that the strength of an opponent would hinder it, but I thought that S rank strength would overtake the building.
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 7:27 pm
Okay, I kinda get it now. It's not like we're saying the force is exerted immediately by the rebar, like a strike, but more like a pull. ( I feel somewhat like an idiot for stating it like that, but I've been thinking that the force Jiton users would have on metal would be similar to a strike. )
So, say someone punched through to the rebar and actually grabbed part of it. Could that allow them to have a better chance than it simply being exposed? ( I kinda think it would be pretty cool, if a Jiton user put their hand in a wall and turned the piece of wall they ripped off into a shuriken and then used it in battle. ) But no pulling the Rebar out, we'd have to destroy the wall itself, then use the rebar, correct?
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Hinote Tosatsu Vice Captain
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 8:32 pm
You're forgetting to consider the fact that a building built out of sandstone is not going to be made of the sort that will crumble in your hand. If it were, the entire village would erode to nothing in the first rain storm. Sandstone used for building would be incredibly dense, to where it would be indistinguishable from normal stone by density alone.
Speaking as one with years of experience putting rebar IN walls, you'd have more luck picking up an entire building and hauling it away on your back than ripping even a little bit of the rebar out by hand, no matter how high your strength rank is. Go to any demo-yard where chunks of demolished foundations and things have been dumped, and you will find piles of concrete with massive amounts of rebar sticking out of them. And even with the rebar exposed, they still have to cut it with power tools to move the concrete, or it'd just hold the whole thing in place, chunks missing and all.
There is a reason rebar is used in concrete. And that reason is that it's friggin' impossible to get back out, and holds the whole thing together.
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:52 am
Genin of Sunagakure!
If you find yourself incapable of doing anything because the danger is too great otherwise... and you're sick and tired of waiting for this fight to end... FEAR NOT!
I'm planning to run a mission for you guys using Kye, but I need to know who is interested. Those interested in being involved should send me a PM with a link to your character's profile.
See you in my inbox!
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 10:02 pm
Hinote Tosatsu You're forgetting to consider the fact that a building built out of sandstone is not going to be made of the sort that will crumble in your hand. If it were, the entire village would erode to nothing in the first rain storm. Sandstone used for building would be incredibly dense, to where it would be indistinguishable from normal stone by density alone. Speaking as one with years of experience putting rebar IN walls, you'd have more luck picking up an entire building and hauling it away on your back than ripping even a little bit of the rebar out by hand, no matter how high your strength rank is. Go to any demo-yard where chunks of demolished foundations and things have been dumped, and you will find piles of concrete with massive amounts of rebar sticking out of them. And even with the rebar exposed, they still have to cut it with power tools to move the concrete, or it'd just hold the whole thing in place, chunks missing and all. There is a reason rebar is used in concrete. And that reason is that it's friggin' impossible to get back out, and holds the whole thing together. That just... Doesn't seem right. xD
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Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:04 am
TvIaMsOqTuHeYz Hinote Tosatsu You're forgetting to consider the fact that a building built out of sandstone is not going to be made of the sort that will crumble in your hand. If it were, the entire village would erode to nothing in the first rain storm. Sandstone used for building would be incredibly dense, to where it would be indistinguishable from normal stone by density. That just... Doesn't seem right. xD Whats wrong with it?... there are Rain Storms in the desert. It may not happen a lot, but it does happen.
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 8:45 am
Cobra_X TvIaMsOqTuHeYz Hinote Tosatsu You're forgetting to consider the fact that a building built out of sandstone is not going to be made of the sort that will crumble in your hand. If it were, the entire village would erode to nothing in the first rain storm. Sandstone used for building would be incredibly dense, to where it would be indistinguishable from normal stone by density. That just... Doesn't seem right. xD Whats wrong with it?... there are Rain Storms in the desert. It may not happen a lot, but it does happen. I know it happens, but I mean Sunagakure is just so arid in all of the renditions. It's like things that you know happen, but you've never seen them. It just seems odd to think about it.
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:21 am
Black Knight has not posted in 3 days since I made a post quoting his character. I haven't seen him post at all in fact, and he has yet to even read the PM I sent him 2 days ago asking him to post.
I'll give him another day or two, but if he doesn't respond by then, we'll move on without him... however that works.
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:40 pm
If he doesn't respond, I wouldn't mind if you brought Raphael along for a bit of bandit fighting.
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Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:52 am
"Being sixteen feet away from the boy, the streaks of lighting-like chakra rarely reached him, having still to dodge a few with an eye still on David." "The man had created a curved wall around his persons from his front to around his shoulder blades, twelve inches thick." Shinji is at most, two feet away from Jishaku. Not sixteen by any means, considering he collapsed right at the edge of the iron sand wall. "Turning back around, he waived a right hand at the wall and near instantly the construct seemed to burst into a plume of iron sand once more, settling within rotation with the rest around him." By removing your wall, you opened yourself to Shinji's chakra as well. Also, looking back a bit I notice that you kept the second iron sand bomb you released. While under normal circumstances I would just make the point that those do not, and should not ever, exist, for now I will just say that the second ones you threw were invalidated by the next round. You simply didn't have time to do all those things at once, and still defend against Shinji. And considering you did three things in a single post, when as long as I've been here we've followed the rule of two actions, you couldn't have done it anyways. (I can't recall Jishaku's height, and I can't seem to locate the profile you gave me for him to check. So, assuming he is average height, that being just under six foot, ten units isn't enough to create the wall shown. (This isn't really important, just a note.) A wall covering a person of average height, in the method described, would be about three feet long, and six tall. Retaining that it is one foot thick, that is a total of eighteen units.) Back to relevant points. To be walking straight towards David as described, you're walking straight through, or over the top of, Shinji. I don't know much about the whole raging spirit bit, but that seems like a bad idea at the least from what I do know. Further, if all of this post goes as described, it is basically impossible for you to see the formation of the sand clones. You state that you didn't hear his incantation, and were watching him the whole time. By this statement, you become unable to notice the clones, as they were initially described to form behind you. Behind the pit even, which by walking towards David, you have put even further behind you. And, not really going to complain about this one much, but, forming a "Semi-long set of seals" instead of responding to my attack pretty much means you accept it as an autohit in the next post, which will also invalidate your jutsu. All in all, this feels a lot like another rewind, and ignoring the presence of a rather dangerous bit of the field by pretending it's in a different location. Yes, it could work as you described if you really took your wall down at the point indicated, but that would open you up to the full brunt of Shinji's "attack", which you've ignored. My own, meanwhile, was designed to take place almost as soon as Shinji collapsed, in which case your timing not only dos not work, but basically seems to rewind time yet again, so that you're basically teleporting around. ~ I REALLY didn't want to bring up another debate, especially after this fight has drawn out too long already, but i do feel these points need to be acknowledged, as ignoring them is ignoring major points of the battlefield. Such as the point that we all seem to have forgotten the existence of the pit. Does anyone actually remember where that is? Basically, ignoring the continued presence of Shinji is removing an important part of the battlefield. Especially by walking directly through his location. ~~~ Edit: Just wonder, but what is the legitimacy of having 150, or even just 100, units of iron sand just swirling around you? I don't have time to calculate at the moment, but that seems like it'd be considered an S ranked construct at the least, and probably actually create a two foot thick shell around your entire body. Not exactly a fair thing to have as a passive effect just by releasing the sand. Especially from a free use "Bomb" that somehow contains almost as much sand as the current largest storage seal is capable of holding. (50 vs 54)
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Hinote Tosatsu Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:56 am
Hinote Tosatsu "Being sixteen feet away from the boy, the streaks of lighting-like chakra rarely reached him, having still to dodge a few with an eye still on David." "The man had created a curved wall around his persons from his front to around his shoulder blades, twelve inches thick." Shinji is at most, two feet away from Jishaku. Not sixteen by any means, considering he collapsed right at the edge of the iron sand wall.
Also, I feel it important to point out that the chakra burst reach at most 5 feet away from Shinji.
Additionally, juat having Iron Sand floating around you does nothing to protect you. The whole point of the Iron Sand is that it needs to be formed into constructs or jutsu to be effective. Otherwise, you could levitate sand around you all day for minimal chakra and be invincible
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Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:54 pm
Ah... Alright, that was a bit unclear I guess. >.>
I'll retract that then.
The iron sand bit was why I asked. Having that much iron sand floating about, whether in construct or not, acts as a massive wall. So, really, the question is whether it's possible to control that much outside of jutsu or constructs, since levitating it like that does act as quite a barrier. I can easily see any attack I make being blocked entirely or even shredded by the levitating sand if that much is just floating in the air.
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Hinote Tosatsu Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:11 pm
Hinote Tosatsu Ah... Alright, that was a bit unclear I guess. >.> I'll retract that then. The iron sand bit was why I asked. Having that much iron sand floating about, whether in construct or not, acts as a massive wall. So, really, the question is whether it's possible to control that much outside of jutsu or constructs, since levitating it like that does act as quite a barrier. I can easily see any attack I make being blocked entirely or even shredded by the levitating sand if that much is just floating in the air.
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