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That falls under me being too lazy to look it up though. I don't think I've ever actually looked at Luo's elements... Or even his profile for that matter. o.o

Sorry Luo, but with all do respect, I take issue with your most recent post in the fight. There are a couple of things that you didn't account for:

1. No handseals or Incantation for that Satetsu nijutsu... Constructs might not require handseals, but Satetsu ninjutsu do.

2. Shooting 3 inches to the right of Shinji's heart would maybe clip his left pectoral muscle... it wouldn't even hit a lung, much less stop or slow his approach/attack. through and Through shots don't create impact enough blow-back impact to stop an approach and I can argue whether Shinji would even register such a thing between all the other pain his body is going through and his disconnect from the real world.

3. Sorry, but you can't just rewind the fight to invalidate my attacks so you can get another attack off. This is especially true when using the technique you did requires hand seals. There is just no way you can pull that off fast enough after having launched two attacks (Sand Pit + Kunai/Shuriken control) when Shinji is moving at AA rank speed.

Well then, the battle certainly has gotten wtfcrazy in the past couple of days.

Take it up with Hinote, he's the one that told me I was AA rank when I used the skill, I'm just going by his construction. I remember asking the same thing, but I don't see it written down either. However, if me, Hinote, and Luo are acting on the same premise (which we are) , there is no real issue.


You forgot my talent...

C-rank + Speed = B-rank Speed ... + Talent, which gives me another speed boost in combat when my adrenaline kicks in, A-rank.

...then Double my speed with Chakra Speed. The math supports my speed and I'm doing everything legally based on what has been approved in the standard approval processes.

A draft in the crew chatroom, please, but you're missing my point. You can't make up a system on the fly like this, then makes claims about who is faster based on it.

@Cobra: .......I'm sorry, what? So, your Konaga augmentation gives you +1 rank speed, you have two passive speed bonuses (Right now, that talent counts as passive) then you use another augmentation to DOUBLE your speed? And you're a chuunin? Forget overpowered, this is just getting stupid. I'm not even gonna go into how on earth you use two separate augmentation jutsu on the same limb(s) and keep them both active.

Hey Hinote, using the unwritten system we've talked about a couple of times since the beginning of Cobra's intervention into the fight could you answer something for me:

If someone were capable of going AA Rank in speed, would they need to go up only one more level ( AS ) or two ranks ( ASE ) to be equal to S Rank?

Also, it isn't that difficult a system, I'd be happy to write out a system for it in my spare time. The above question is the only thing that is conflicting about it, and then we wouldn't have to deal with explaining things like this to new members.

Are you really trying to pull the "You should've said something before it was approved!" argument? See, THIS is why I'm so tough on MY applications (which, by the way, does not include bloodlines. I admit, I have some say, but I have never been the official bloodline moderator, and therefore, do not get the final yes or no). Besides, the stupidly overpowered part came from the fact that your talent was approved (and the fact that chakra speed affect that bonus), so that argument isn't entirely valid in the first place.

Oh, come on. Run the risk of dying? As the RPer, you're not gonna let him die because he used up too much chakra. Be realistic.

I've read the Konaga bloodline. Despite the drawbacks, I still consider it overpowered. It was kind of acceptable, but with that talent you now have, its beyond overpowered. +4 ranks to speed? Upper A rank speed as a Chuunin? You cannot possibly consider that acceptable in any way.

Going back and actually looking at the talent (This is something we all should do before arguing over things.), the speed bonus from the talent does not apply to actual speed, and thus would not directly affect the augmentation either. The talent only allows those bonuses when attacking. That doesn't mean that so long as it's part of an attack the person can run faster, but that their punches, or kicks, or whatever else, are faster.

So, removing the talent (And it's doubled effect.), Shinji is capable of running at AC rank speed, entirely due to the Konaga augmentation, which I believe also only lasts for one post. Otherwise his base speed is B. And if you think that is OP, so is Yamatano, and anyone else with the Speed type.

If you want to continue this argument Greg, you will be fighting for the removal of Speed type, your bloodline's speed bonus, and the Raijuu, because they all lend bonuses to speed that could thus be considered OP.

Regardless, with his current stats and using the speed augmentation, Shinji is still faster than Jishaku, which I believe was the original point of this argument, before it got to the line of calling characters, bloodlines, and talents OP.

Also, thanks for adding into this whole bit that I'm stupid as well. That was great.