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 Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 10:16 am
Reddemon Dosen't it just sit still? That would make sense fluff wise, but I challenge you to find a single written rule that says the carnifex cannot move if it fails it's IB test. The "Paralyzed with Fearlessness" idea has no basis in the rules, and was discussed at great length over at Warseer.
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Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 7:34 pm
Oryn Reddemon Dosen't it just sit still? That would make sense fluff wise, but I challenge you to find a single written rule that says the carnifex cannot move if it fails it's IB test. The "Paralyzed with Fearlessness" idea has no basis in the rules, and was discussed at great length over at Warseer. Ah well, I', just gonna make him take the test until he realises that he has to keep it in 12" to shut me up
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Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 9:59 am
Mat im trying to help the kid learn here Mac. If you always tell them they will never know
Actually, telling people helps learning a lot. This is seen in schools worldwide.
3nodding
-Mykal
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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 4:45 am
A.R.G.U.S Mykal Mat im trying to help the kid learn here Mac. If you always tell them they will never know
Actually, telling people helps learning a lot. This is seen in schools worldwide.
3nodding
-Mykal Im always asking people to see these god like rules that make one of their guys ignore this, or re do that. Its all very troublesome
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Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 11:35 am
hackexe i have a small delemma what differs the new death leaper from a lictor besides looks? does it have new stats? and if so where are these stats located? In the Medusa V experimental rules, it has one extra attack and a 6+ save, and it can deep-strike anywhere. Otherwise, it's just a normal Lictor.
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Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 1:10 pm
Reddemon Oryn Reddemon Dosen't it just sit still? That would make sense fluff wise, but I challenge you to find a single written rule that says the carnifex cannot move if it fails it's IB test. The "Paralyzed with Fearlessness" idea has no basis in the rules, and was discussed at great length over at Warseer. Ah well, I', just gonna make him take the test until he realises that he has to keep it in 12" to shut me up Why is the Fex testing at all. It doesn't have to. Neither do Lictors, biovores, and Genestealers. Lictors are considered Fearless, as are Fexes, thus neither will ever have to test for anything. The biovores and the Genestealers both have special rules that say that they don't have to test if outside of synapes, thus taking regular pinning and leadership tests if not in range of Synapes. If the Fex and Lictor had to take tests, they would be stupid cause they wouldn't be able to do half the things they can do right now. Any big Nid player, Fexes don't test... Period.
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Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 1:25 pm
I thought they still had to test. Although they are fearless, this is NOT fear. Being without synapse, unless you are one of the breeds specifically mentioned to not give a damn, would be like someone suddenly removing your brain. There's no longer a voice going "do that."
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Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 2:18 pm
Ophiuchus I thought they still had to test. Although they are fearless, this is NOT fear. Being without synapse, unless you are one of the breeds specifically mentioned to not give a damn, would be like someone suddenly removing your brain. There's no longer a voice going "do that." Don't use fluff to argue rules, because they rarely match up. Nevermind that your idea of IB is all wrong. IB checks represent the overriding voice of the hivemind disappearing, and the beasts being left to thier own devices, in the case of Gaunts, thier limited brains (and thus, low leadership), in the case of Lictors and Carnifexes, they have very high leadership, and thus must have a correspondingly large brain. Tyranid beasts have thier own brains, and removing synapse doesn't cause them to stare, slack-jawed. In any case, take the test for what reason? As I've been saying for the past page or so, Carnifexes don't suffer any penalties for failing an Instinctive Behavior check so there's no reason to take the test. Look at this in a simple logical progression: P1: Carnifexes and Lictors are Fearless. P2: Fearless units never have to fall back. P3: Carnifexes and Lictors must take IB tests. P4: A failed IB test means a unit falls back. ---------------------- C: Carnifexes and Lictors are unaffected by failed IB tests. They do technically have to take the test, but the results do not matter. Hence my assertion that it doesn't make any difference if he doesn't take the test. If you want to house rule that if they fail, they sit there unmoving and stupefied, that's your buisiness. However, in the rules as written and played in tournaments, there is nothing to support Carnifexes or Lictors being affected by IB.
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Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 2:30 pm
I'd just like to point out one thing in your argument - brain size is irrellevant. Albert Einstein had a small brain, and he was a ******** genius. What counts is the number of braincells. wink Mmm, biology.
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Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 2:57 pm
Doesn't matter to me. My point was that they still have thier own brains and instincts, hence Instinctive Behavior, and that Carnifexes & Lictors, even cut off from the hivemind are quite smart, with thier high Ld.
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Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 10:08 am
Oryn Doesn't matter to me. My point was that they still have thier own brains and instincts, hence Instinctive Behavior, and that Carnifexes & Lictors, even cut off from the hivemind are quite smart, with thier high Ld. I don't think Lictors are ever cut off from the hive mind. The details for fearless in their profile state that they are 'driven by the implacable will of the hive mind', which has me believe that they have a constant direct link with the hive mind. Also, since they are forward scouts and often completely alone in the preliminary stages of an invasion, having instinctive behavior wouldn't make much sense at all. Although sense shouldn't really take any standpoint in 40k. After all, a Carnifex can take three lascannon shots and keep going, while a land raider can technically be destroyed by one.
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Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:52 am
Oryn Doesn't matter to me. My point was that they still have thier own brains and instincts, hence Instinctive Behavior, and that Carnifexes & Lictors, even cut off from the hivemind are quite smart, with thier high Ld. Id like to point out that there are options, like lurking, for a failed IB test
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Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 12:11 pm
Reddemon Oryn Doesn't matter to me. My point was that they still have thier own brains and instincts, hence Instinctive Behavior, and that Carnifexes & Lictors, even cut off from the hivemind are quite smart, with thier high Ld. Id like to point out that there are options, like lurking, for a failed IB test I thought you could only lurk if you decide not to take the test at all.
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Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 12:14 pm
Pontius Pirate Reddemon Oryn Doesn't matter to me. My point was that they still have thier own brains and instincts, hence Instinctive Behavior, and that Carnifexes & Lictors, even cut off from the hivemind are quite smart, with thier high Ld. Id like to point out that there are options, like lurking, for a failed IB test I thought you could only lurk if you decide not to take the test at all. A MC cant lurk, and you need to be so far away from some secenery I do belive
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