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opaj

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:31 pm


How did I not know about this?

Wait, don't answer that. *Watches... and learns.*
PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:48 pm


SCIENCE CAN BITE MY SHINY METAL a**!

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:53 pm


Thanks Jello.

Now I need to find Ed and Maximos and bug them if I can use their words of wisdom.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 6:49 pm


There's something wrong with a fight that outlasts the next round.


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opaj

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 8:49 am


In terms of how long the fight has been going on, IC, it may not have yet. Time travel'll do that sometimes. sweatdrop
PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 3:45 pm


There's been like... one exchange so far. Two if you count what I just posted.


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opaj

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 4:00 pm


You know, there's a reason I try to never go further than one move in a post.
PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 7:38 pm


Two things:

Cdore
Yariel wouldn't try to block it. Instead, he turns his body so that his left side moves back and right goes forward, and steps back with both feet, the staff missing his face completely,

That's called a hop. A hop back. Taking both feet off the ground at the same time to move backwards a short distance. Hop.

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while he brings the wooden sword forward, raising up vertically. The step forward would not be behind his right foot because Yariel had changed position with his right being to Tiem's left of that same left foot.

If the staff still did the revolving motion of coming for Yariel again, then it would strike into the blade part of the wooden sword, stopping it entirely, Yariel holding it firmly. If he wanted to try stepping in, he was going to have to turn to face him, which took time Tiem should know by now none of them would give to the other.

And so the shoulder charge would be met with Yariel stepping quickly to the right with his right arm raising to bring the staff upwards while the sword is turned to become more horizontal with the ground. So the shoulder charge would just have the half elf standing to the left of Tiem now,with the lance sliding off the curvature (I'm assuming the wooden sword has the same shape as a katana if you're going by the practice swords). The blade in his left hand would be kept held, bending his arm near his left abdominal, but nearly across his stomach for use later.

From this position, Yariel would keep his arm raised, but direct the sword so that the tip points downward, almost vertical. Reason for doing this was going to be shown depending on what Tiem does.

Come up with a new post.

The strike is performed immediately after the detachment, which occurs before the sword is kicked up. That is, if Yariel really, really wanted that sword as fast as he could get it, he would be getting it after the first attack but before the second; assuming that the kid stepping in against him didn't just knock it away due to occupying the space it was flipping towards. Additionally, he would be unable to kick it up if both feet were in the air due to a hop. Need to make a choice there.

The moral of this story is that you need to write it again.




...please.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 8:07 pm


Which is why he evades and still catches the sword. So the polearm misses the chin, but his arm still goes out to capture the weapon. I know the timing that's going on. And it's not a hop. His feet are stepping back simultaneously. I just worded it that way because I'm pretty sure it wasn't that significant at that point of the post. What I am saying is that the kick happens during the detachment, so he could perform them smoothly into one motion. No having to make any choice. He's not stupid to leave any openings.

My moral is that you need to stop thinking I don't know what I'm doing. Unless we were drawing with pics for our posts from now on, there's going to be disputes between how we see things, so don't get so uptight about it.
PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 9:09 pm


Maybe I should offer a stick figure via MS PAINT combat class.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 9:28 pm


Cdore
His feet are stepping back simultaneously.

Does he have three feet?

Is he just leaning forwards and pretending that his bottom half went back?

Or is he hopping?

Cdore
What I am saying is that the kick happens during the detachment

And then he gets hit because he's got one foot off the ground and both hands occupied. Which leaves us with another choice... is it, as you say, happening simultaneously, or is it, as the post seems to imply, that one happens immediately following the other? The posted response covers one. The posted response covers the other.

Yeah. I thought I was going to write something different, too.






And I just deleted the rest of my commentary because it's not very nice things to say. Yet I still felt the need to write this in its place, because I'd feel guilty writing things and then removing them without a trace. Because timestepping bad, grr.
PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 9:39 pm


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Maybe I should offer a stick figure via MS PAINT combat class.

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Speaking from experience, you still need a page of explanation to describe what everything represents in MS PAINT stick figures.


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Cdore

PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:01 pm


You know what. The feet argument has no significance to this so I'll skip to the next one.

Here's the timing:

Blade detached.
Foot strikes the weapon.
Yariel lets go.
You strike at chin as an interrupt.
Yariel evades, still grabbing at the sword.
You charge in with the second attack.
Yariel's sword now counters.
Tiem charges in along with attack.
Yariel steps to the right to get to the left side.

Maybe I should write my posts as simple as that from now on. Yariel will evade because he can and sees the attack coming toward him. Not everyone is slow in reactions, and you're underestimating Yariel's. It's not like I'm dodging a bullet here. It's a strike at his chin. Who wouldn't expect retaliation from removing their hands off a weapon two opponents were struggling against? It's why in the post before I had it where he brings the sword forward because with that weapon in hand, he knows Tiem is going to take that opportunity to try to get him Jackie Chan style. So you interrupted, and Yariel reacts. It's no timestepping at all.
PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 2:06 am


Lemme fix that for you.

Cdore
Here's the timing:

Blade detached.
You strike at chin as an interrupt.
Foot strikes the weapon.
Yariel lets go.
You charge in with the second attack.
Cdore rewrites his post.


See, the thing you're missing is that you don't get to do these things without being hit.

As soon as the blade detaches, you get attacked. Immediately.

- If you look down at your foot to try and kick up a stick you're going to miss it, and that's going to cause pain.
- If you try to fly step with both feet hop backwards, your feet are off the ground and couldn't be kicking up anything unless you're hackey sack champion.
- If you do manage to get it up in the air and reach across your body to catch it (on your left side, with your right hand, as described in your post), then it couldn't possibly be used to block something coming at your right side when your arm isn't home... and that's going to cause pain.
- If you blink, you will be hit. If you sneeze, you will be hit the second time. If you hiccup, you will be hit the third time. It's fast because it's: A) right there, and B) a rotational motion. There's no windup, nor does he have to pull back at all before striking.



Then of course there's always the fact that kicking things into the air only works in movies, but I suppose that's why you threw an 'amazingly' in there, eh?


What I'm sick of seeing is a misread of my post, a misread of my clarification, and a rebuttal that doesn't have the information straight... and this three-legged thing just rubs me the wrong way because of my fascist fury against things that make no sense.


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Cdore

PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 10:06 am


Quote:
- If you look down at your foot to try and kick up a stick you're going to miss it, and that's going to cause pain.


Yes, he performed the movie "doesn't have to look" to know how to kick up a weapon. I can easily make proof of that that his martial arts training had him learn techniques like that, so yes, he did it without having to look toward him. Once he stepped on the weapon, he knew then where it was and how it lied.

And saying he attacks immediately after he lets go isn't going to fly. If we're both were pulling, and he suddenly lets go, then that means Tiem should be stumbling back. But because I'm such a nice person, I didn't even try to add such a detail for you to consider in a consideration that you would not make such a big fuss over me doing what I did.

What I don't like is your misreading of my post, nor saying what my character can or cannot do. Most of your post always involved what Yariel could not do, while I was not as strict in the mechanics of how you have to do this to do that slash, or how your movements made you slower than you think. It's frustrating and drops the fun of this match lower and lower everyday.

So...

Quote:
As soon as the blade detaches, you get attacked. Immediately.


Unless your character was pushing with that hand, immediate won't be the speed you attacked. But then again, if your character can easily send an attack with the knowledge that the blade was going to be detached and his hands pulling away, then you shouldn't be the one complaining, but I.

So. just accept that he evades and continue on. Not all of your attacks will hit, assuredly against someone like Yariel. As it was stated in the rules, your fighting style is suppose to account realistically with your character. If I am a martial artist, then it is correct that Yariel would be able to act accordingly to different situations in close combat without hesitating, such avoiding an "immediate" attack in the way Tiem did. And though Tiem's combat technique is kenjutsu, his mixture of street style, such as the shoulder charge, or the fist grab, then I can pretty much argue that Tiem himself would be acting on the balance of power over accuracy.

But I won't judge how you play your character. You do enough of that to me.
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