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 Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 10:17 pm
freelance lover I have yet to have anyone give me proof where it says anywhere in the Bible that homosexuality as it exists today is sinful.
That being said, even if it is sinful, the government has no right to prohibit homosexuals from getting legally married. It's legal, not religious. The politician's personal faith shouldn't make a difference, they should be advocating for the people they represent, which includes equal rights for homosexuals and all. That is true, the separation of church and state really got tossed out the window on that one. I think part of the problem is the stereotypes. I heard today that gay people don't date, they just have sex. WTF. That is total BS. Granted, there are guys that abuse their inability to get pregnant and get laid constantly with complete strangers. However, there are straight guys who do the exact same thing using a condom. Gay people do date, and it's wrong to claim they are all lust driven monsters that don't love. Like straight people they may not have sex right away. Like gay people they also don't want to die alone. Also there is a negative stereotype going around that gay guys are more likely to rape children. That one really bugs me. It's a total lie. Gay guys may be more sexually free, but they have their standards. It amazes me that anyone would buy into that. Anyways, it seems to me that people won't vote to legalize gay marriage because the media spins a web of lies that make them seem like sub humans. Gay people are equally as complex as straight people, their not animals.
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 1:56 pm
caeruleus5765 freelance lover I have yet to have anyone give me proof where it says anywhere in the Bible that homosexuality as it exists today is sinful.
That being said, even if it is sinful, the government has no right to prohibit homosexuals from getting legally married. It's legal, not religious. The politician's personal faith shouldn't make a difference, they should be advocating for the people they represent, which includes equal rights for homosexuals and all. That is true, the separation of church and state really got tossed out the window on that one. I think part of the problem is the stereotypes. I heard today that gay people don't date, they just have sex. WTF. That is total BS. Granted, there are guys that abuse their inability to get pregnant and get laid constantly with complete strangers. However, there are straight guys who do the exact same thing using a condom. Gay people do date, and it's wrong to claim they are all lust driven monsters that don't love. Like straight people they may not have sex right away. Like gay people they also don't want to die alone. Also there is a negative stereotype going around that gay guys are more likely to rape children. That one really bugs me. It's a total lie. Gay guys may be more sexually free, but they have their standards. It amazes me that anyone would buy into that. Anyways, it seems to me that people won't vote to legalize gay marriage because the media spins a web of lies that make them seem like sub humans. Gay people are equally as complex as straight people, their not animals.
But I agree with you. Also, what is this "gay agenda"? From what I've seen, it's very similar to the heterosexual one.
I really do have hope that I will live to see gay marriage legalized someday though, in more than like... three states.
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 7:39 pm
caeruleus5765 freelance lover I have yet to have anyone give me proof where it says anywhere in the Bible that homosexuality as it exists today is sinful.
That being said, even if it is sinful, the government has no right to prohibit homosexuals from getting legally married. It's legal, not religious. The politician's personal faith shouldn't make a difference, they should be advocating for the people they represent, which includes equal rights for homosexuals and all. That is true, the separation of church and state really got tossed out the window on that one. I think part of the problem is the stereotypes. I heard today that gay people don't date, they just have sex. WTF. That is total BS. Granted, there are guys that abuse their inability to get pregnant and get laid constantly with complete strangers. However, there are straight guys who do the exact same thing using a condom. Gay people do date, and it's wrong to claim they are all lust driven monsters that don't love. Like straight people they may not have sex right away. Like gay people they also don't want to die alone. Also there is a negative stereotype going around that gay guys are more likely to rape children. That one really bugs me. It's a total lie. Gay guys may be more sexually free, but they have their standards. It amazes me that anyone would buy into that. Anyways, it seems to me that people won't vote to legalize gay marriage because the media spins a web of lies that make them seem like sub humans. Gay people are equally as complex as straight people, their not animals.
The logic used by the people who come up with stuff like that completely astounds me.
I think the thing that frustrates me the most is that the people so against same-sex marriage aren't saying "Gay marriage is wrong." as much as they're saying "Homosexuality is wrong and this is how we can punish you for it."
As you're pointed out, the reasons against same-sex marriage so rarely have a damn thing to do with marriage. They seek to prove that homosexuality is wrong and immoral. That's even more messed up in my mind.
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 10:29 pm
Voldemort point two Bouidicca It is NOT a sin, but there will always be those that take portions of the Bible and use their interpretations of the passages as "facts" to continue pushing the idea that it is a sin. I know. It is easy to misinterpret "do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable." There are millions of different interpretations of Leviticus 18:22, this can't be the right one. [/sarcasm] I find nothing wrong with homosexuality. Truth be told, I believe it is determined by genetics, but even if it were a choice I would find nothing wrong with it. Also, I find love to be the most beautiful thing in existence, so I believe that if two people love each other that they should be able to be together happily and peacefully, and not have to suffer because of society's stupid beliefs. For that quote from that religious text, perhaps what it actually is saying is that it is okay for men to lie (as in not tell the truth) to women, but not for men to lie to men. Maybe what it actually means is for men to tell their friends the truth always and to not tell their spouse the truth all the time.
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Posted: Sat May 08, 2010 10:04 am
cwilder725 Voldemort point two Bouidicca It is NOT a sin, but there will always be those that take portions of the Bible and use their interpretations of the passages as "facts" to continue pushing the idea that it is a sin. I know. It is easy to misinterpret "do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable." There are millions of different interpretations of Leviticus 18:22, this can't be the right one. [/sarcasm] I find nothing wrong with homosexuality. Truth be told, I believe it is determined by genetics, but even if it were a choice I would find nothing wrong with it. Also, I find love to be the most beautiful thing in existence, so I believe that if two people love each other that they should be able to be together happily and peacefully, and not have to suffer because of society's stupid beliefs. For that quote from that religious text, perhaps what it actually is saying is that it is okay for men to lie (as in not tell the truth) to women, but not for men to lie to men. Maybe what it actually means is for men to tell their friends the truth always and to not tell their spouse the truth all the time. No, not at all. You have to remember, this was translated from Hebrew. Simply because our words for "lie" are homonyms, does not mean that the hebrew words are. I would assume that they are different, at least enough for the distinction to be made between "to lay" or "To tell a falsity" This said, there can just as easily be mistranslations- For the same exact reason, really. Were we to translate "lie" into another language, since it has two meanings, it could be translated as the wrong one. So then can the hebrew language- There's also cultural referrences that we miss in this age. Beyond that, some translate that passage as saying "They shall be put to death" or that it is an "abomination" or "detestable" as shown here. Leviticus was largely a survival guide for ~4000 BC- Don't eat food you don't know, here's a list of food that's safe. Have safe sexual practice. Don't ******** with powers beyond your control. Things like that. It doesn't necessarily mean that God hates them, it's simply saying that those are things to do to not die, given 6 thousand year old knowledge and technology.
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Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 6:01 am
 Ya know what I don't quite understand?
Some Christians are adamantly against homosexuality because of that Leviticus verse, and yet they ignore the rest of the laws in that chapter of the Bible.
Why is that? confused
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Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 9:02 am
Taerinn Ya know what I don't quite understand?
Some Christians are adamantly against homosexuality because of that Leviticus verse, and yet they ignore the rest of the laws in that chapter of the Bible.
Why is that? confused
I think in cases like this, they people themselves are opposed to homosexuality, and are basically looking at religious text going SEE IT'S NOT US, IT'S THE BIBLE. It's just a way they can justify their actions. They would probably still hate homosexuality, and would just find some other way to justify it if those texts in the scripture didn't exist.
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Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 9:19 am
freelance lover Taerinn Ya know what I don't quite understand?
Some Christians are adamantly against homosexuality because of that Leviticus verse, and yet they ignore the rest of the laws in that chapter of the Bible.
Why is that? confused
I think in cases like this, they people themselves are opposed to homosexuality, and are basically looking at religious text going SEE IT'S NOT US, IT'S THE BIBLE. It's just a way they can justify their actions. They would probably still hate homosexuality, and would just find some other way to justify it if those texts in the scripture didn't exist.
From my experience, the people who use Leviticus as proof that homosexuality is wrong haven't even read Leviticus.
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 5:01 am
freelance lover Taerinn Ya know what I don't quite understand?
Some Christians are adamantly against homosexuality because of that Leviticus verse, and yet they ignore the rest of the laws in that chapter of the Bible.
Why is that? confused
I think in cases like this, they people themselves are opposed to homosexuality, and are basically looking at religious text going SEE IT'S NOT US, IT'S THE BIBLE. It's just a way they can justify their actions. They would probably still hate homosexuality, and would just find some other way to justify it if those texts in the scripture didn't exist. Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve
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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 8:51 pm
I know of one simple little fiction book that gives an interesting look on the whole "Christianity vs. Homosexuality" thing. It's called "The God Box" and is written by Alex Sanchez. It really doesn't take that long to read, and it takes the commonly quoted parts of the Christian bible that supposedly condemn homosexuality and analyzes them, taking them apart bit by bit.
Anyone who uses religion to condemn homosexuals should read this book to see how incorrect their interpretations of the bible are and anyone who wants to be able to argue better that homosexuality does not go against religion can use arguments from this book.
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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 8:54 pm
In Medias Res IV freelance lover Taerinn Ya know what I don't quite understand?
Some Christians are adamantly against homosexuality because of that Leviticus verse, and yet they ignore the rest of the laws in that chapter of the Bible.
Why is that? confused
I think in cases like this, they people themselves are opposed to homosexuality, and are basically looking at religious text going SEE IT'S NOT US, IT'S THE BIBLE. It's just a way they can justify their actions. They would probably still hate homosexuality, and would just find some other way to justify it if those texts in the scripture didn't exist. Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve I'm sorry, but if there is a god, he/she created Adam, Eve, and Steve, as well as everyone else that ever may have or does live.
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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:06 am
In Medias Res IV Since when is it a sin? Better yet, since when does a toevah have ANYTHING to do with Christians? Oh Leviticus, the most raped book on Earth.
Homosexuality is a sin because, sexuality is a sin - even the Hindu Vedas point to this.
As humans, we are given the choice between the spiritual and the physical, the temporal and the eternal. Physical ecstasy contradicts and destroys the spiritual nature. Both Hindus and Buddhist put sexuality (including homosexuality) on the left handed path to darkness (spiritual destruction and death).
Essentially when you watch some be sexual you are watching their spiritual destruction. If this were someone (physically) dying in front of you, would you just stand back and say (oh well - it's their right) ? Would you encourage suicide?
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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 1:23 pm
Basilia Ann E In Medias Res IV Since when is it a sin? Better yet, since when does a toevah have ANYTHING to do with Christians? Oh Leviticus, the most raped book on Earth.
Homosexuality is a sin because, sexuality is a sin - even the Hindu Vedas point to this.
As humans, we are given the choice between the spiritual and the physical, the temporal and the eternal. Physical ecstasy contradicts and destroys the spiritual nature. Both Hindus and Buddhist put sexuality (including homosexuality) on the left handed path to darkness (spiritual destruction and death).
Essentially when you watch some be sexual you are watching their spiritual destruction. If this were someone (physically) dying in front of you, would you just stand back and say (oh well - it's their right) ? Would you encourage suicide?
Or, at least, by that logic, how is being in a sexual relationship because you like it any more sinful than indulging in a really delicious piece of cake because it tastes good?
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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 1:59 pm
Basilia Ann E In Medias Res IV Since when is it a sin? Better yet, since when does a toevah have ANYTHING to do with Christians? Oh Leviticus, the most raped book on Earth.
Homosexuality is a sin because, sexuality is a sin - even the Hindu Vedas point to this.
As humans, we are given the choice between the spiritual and the physical, the temporal and the eternal. Physical ecstasy contradicts and destroys the spiritual nature. Both Hindus and Buddhist put sexuality (including homosexuality) on the left handed path to darkness (spiritual destruction and death).
Essentially when you watch some be sexual you are watching their spiritual destruction. If this were someone (physically) dying in front of you, would you just stand back and say (oh well - it's their right) ? Would you encourage suicide?
Whoever birthed you had to have sex and those people were born by people who had sex and so on. Sexuality should NOT be considered sinful, it's a way of life.
Now your only basis is that sexuality is destroying something spiritual, but wouldn't sex be more of spiritual connection?
I don't believe in the spirit in the first place so it doesn't matter.
Point is, your saying HOMOSEXUALITY is sinful because SEXUALITY is sinful itself. Doesn't that mean Heterosexuality is in itself sinful?
You don't make a lick of sense.
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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:09 pm
Basilia Ann E Homosexuality is a sin because, sexuality is a sin - even the Hindu Vedas point to this. I find that hard to believe. Most sects of Christianity do not regard sexuality in general as a sin since it is a creation God's according to their theology. As for Vedic religions, I can't speak on but I do know that a few sects of Buddhism don't care about one's sexual preference. Quote: As humans, we are given the choice between the spiritual and the physical, the temporal and the eternal. Depends on one's belief system seeing as this choice is not empirical. Quote: Physical ecstasy contradicts and destroys the spiritual nature. Again some belief systems will disagree with you. Many will use physical ecstasy to reach a spiritual climax. Quote: Both Hindus and Buddhist put sexuality (including homosexuality) on the left handed path to darkness (spiritual destruction and death). Don't know enough about Vedic religions so I'm not going to debate you on that but I hope you aren't saying that all people should agree to this view. Quote: Essentially when you watch some be sexual you are watching their spiritual destruction in my Vedic belief system. Fix'd. Quote: If this were someone (physically) dying in front of you, would you just stand back and say (oh well - it's their right) ? Would you encourage suicide? I may be misunderstanding Vedic principles but isn't this just a consequence of Karma and such situations just one's lot in life and such situations is just one paying their Karmic debt from a previous life?
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