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 Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 5:14 pm
It all depends on whether you are playing a fixed list or one you change when you play someone else. Never know when your going up against that Tau railgun. And you need to buy a personal icon from the armory.
REALLY!!! If you want to do a kickass demon army, take a normal cheap a** Lord or Lt. And summon the Greater demon for 150 points, because, its a greater demon, and they rock. Maybe! Even take a Chosen Squad, and put 9 of them and your lord, in a rhino for kicks, and then drive them forward, summon the demon, and then summon more demons. You could then take the Demon Icon on a Chosen, which allows them to summon one squad of demons without rolling or scatter! Sounds like fun...
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 5:15 pm
no, i don't need a personal icon. read the rules very very carefully. Because I have a mark of nurgle, I can summon nurgle's daemons to that model. 3nodding
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 5:17 pm
Cagalli Yura Attha LightningLord Then drop essence, take Demonic Rune. And yes, you would sneeze and kill him. I think Hqs are usually a waste of points. And most people expect my lord to be a beast. So its funny when they all concentrate on him. Then, I mass Marines, lots and lots of Marines. I strategically take out things, while maneuvering my army so that I can position yours in a strangle hold, from there I assualt up close, finishing whats left. My Lord varies in fights with people. With the new Hidden List rule, people never know if hes going to be a beast from the warp, or a weak loser. why rune? i'm Toughness 5 (6 for all other purposes) due to daemonic stature, so I don't even have to worry about LASCANNONS unless the enemy has tank hunter. Essentially, anything that isn't a guard army, won't threaten it too much. And for the record, tank hunters only give an increase when rolling for armor penetration. EXAMPLE, you glance, and roll a 5, it counts as a 6, boom! Or you shoot a wartruck, and score a 4, it counts as a 6 because of open topped and tank hunter.
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 5:18 pm
Cagalli Yura Attha no, i don't need a personal icon. read the rules very very carefully. Because I have a mark of nurgle, I can summon nurgle's daemons to that model. 3nodding what page is that on. Because I have always been told i needed an Icon, even if I have the Mark of so and so.
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 5:19 pm
LightningLord Cagalli Yura Attha LightningLord Then drop essence, take Demonic Rune. And yes, you would sneeze and kill him. I think Hqs are usually a waste of points. And most people expect my lord to be a beast. So its funny when they all concentrate on him. Then, I mass Marines, lots and lots of Marines. I strategically take out things, while maneuvering my army so that I can position yours in a strangle hold, from there I assualt up close, finishing whats left. My Lord varies in fights with people. With the new Hidden List rule, people never know if hes going to be a beast from the warp, or a weak loser. why rune? i'm Toughness 5 (6 for all other purposes) due to daemonic stature, so I don't even have to worry about LASCANNONS unless the enemy has tank hunter. Essentially, anything that isn't a guard army, won't threaten it too much. And for the record, tank hunters only give an increase when rolling for armor penetration. EXAMPLE, you glance, and roll a 5, it counts as a 6, boom! Or you shoot a wartruck, and score a 4, it counts as a 6 because of open topped and tank hunter. then no problem from them, either. Only guard armored companies scare the demon prince of.. um.. Need a funny name. Like how Typhus is a play on Typhoid.
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 5:21 pm
LightningLord Cagalli Yura Attha LightningLord Then drop essence, take Demonic Rune. And yes, you would sneeze and kill him. I think Hqs are usually a waste of points. And most people expect my lord to be a beast. So its funny when they all concentrate on him. Then, I mass Marines, lots and lots of Marines. I strategically take out things, while maneuvering my army so that I can position yours in a strangle hold, from there I assualt up close, finishing whats left. My Lord varies in fights with people. With the new Hidden List rule, people never know if hes going to be a beast from the warp, or a weak loser. why rune? i'm Toughness 5 (6 for all other purposes) due to daemonic stature, so I don't even have to worry about LASCANNONS unless the enemy has tank hunter. Essentially, anything that isn't a guard army, won't threaten it too much. And for the record, tank hunters only give an increase when rolling for armor penetration. EXAMPLE, you glance, and roll a 5, it counts as a 6, boom! Or you shoot a wartruck, and score a 4, it counts as a 6 because of open topped and tank hunter. Or does it... well either way your lord would be safe, it only works on vehicles...
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 5:22 pm
LightningLord Cagalli Yura Attha no, i don't need a personal icon. read the rules very very carefully. Because I have a mark of nurgle, I can summon nurgle's daemons to that model. 3nodding what page is that on. Because I have always been told i needed an Icon, even if I have the Mark of so and so. page 12, special rules - daemon summoning "Daemons will only manifest next to an icon of chaos unvidided or an icon belonging to a squad with the same mark of themselves. Thus a unit of bloodletters of Khorne could only appear next to an Icon-bearing unit with the Mark of Chaos Undivided or the Mark of Khorne."
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 5:29 pm
Cagalli Yura Attha LightningLord Cagalli Yura Attha no, i don't need a personal icon. read the rules very very carefully. Because I have a mark of nurgle, I can summon nurgle's daemons to that model. 3nodding what page is that on. Because I have always been told i needed an Icon, even if I have the Mark of so and so. page 12, special rules - daemon summoning "Daemons will only manifest next to an icon of chaos unvidided or an icon belonging to a squad with the same mark of themselves. Thus a unit of bloodletters of Khorne could only appear next to an Icon-bearing unit with the Mark of Chaos Undivided or the Mark of Khorne." An Icon is not a Mark of Nurgle. You have to spend your 10 points for a Personal Icon to be able to summon Demons. Only normal squads or chosen get a free icon at no additional cost. Your lord will need to spend 10 points on an Icon. How many points for a lord are we talking now? I would perhaps take a normal lord thats prett beast, throw him in a Chosen Squad with 8 Chosen, 1 Aspiring Champion w/Daemon Chains, and throw them in a rhino. ((EDIT! Scratch putting an Icon on the Rhino... heh. I havent used Demons FOREVER, and mess up on little rules like that. eek ))
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 5:33 pm
~scribbles notes~ how many points of lord?
181,
WS 5, BS 5, S 4(5),T 5(6), W 4, I 5, A 4, LD 10, Sv 3+
Mark of Nurgle, Nurgle's Rot, Daemonic Flight, Daemonic Stature, Dread Axe, Daemonic Essence, Spiky Bits Personal Icon, Close Combat Weapon.
And that's pretty nasty in any game.
And, I shall name him.. Syphilar!
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 5:46 pm
Cagalli Yura Attha ~scribbles notes~ how many points of lord? 181, WS 5, BS 5, S 4(5),T 5(6), W 4, I 5, A 4, LD 10, Sv 3+ Mark of Nurgle, Nurgle's Rot, Daemonic Flight, Daemonic Stature, Dread Axe, Daemonic Essence, Spiky Bits Personal Icon, Close Combat Weapon. And that's pretty nasty in any game. Mark of N, Nurgles Rot, D Flight, D Stature, Plague Sword (Cuts the Demonic Mastery...), Personal Icon, Close Combat weapon... if you still want to do this kind of prince I would do it like this. thats 146 points, then maybe throw a Vet Skill, like Furious Charge. If I was making a Nurgle Demon Army Chaos Lord/Lt (Depends) MoN, Plague Sword, Bolt Pistol, Personal Icon, Nurgles Rot 51+ points, thats 111 Lord, 96 Lt. Greater Demon of Nurgle, 150 Chosen Squad (Lords Retinue), 8 Chosen, 1 Champ 8 Chosen with the MoN, 176 1 Champ w/ MoN, 32, Greater Demon Possesion, Demon Chains Rhino 50 points 258 points total...
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 5:50 pm
not using a greater demon. lesser demons and posessed things only.
and the plague sword still has a risk of not killing, whereas right now, I can just CRUSH anything in my path with no armor saves at all. with 5 attacks on the charge, that's ******** nasty. Syphilar is happy with his "no saves of any kind" brand of brutaity.
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 5:58 pm
*Sigh* I have been playing Chaos for 3 years about now... and if theres one thing I know, its how much Greater Demons kick a**. And how that the Dread Axe still has a good chance of not killing say, something with more wounds, and every wound you inflict, you have a chance of a Perils of the Warp. But yeah, giving no saves is always nice. The Greater Demons can summon demons aswell dont forget. And it cant be one hit killed, and the Greater Demon of Nurgle has 6 wounds, thats all for 150 points.
well, I guess keep what you have, and at least drop the Spiky Bits for Furious Charge.
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 6:02 pm
LightningLord *Sigh* I have been playing Chaos for 3 years about now... and if theres one thing I know, its how much Greater Demons kick a**. And how that the Dread Axe still has a good chance of not killing say, something with more wounds, and every wound you inflict, you have a chance of a Perils of the Warp. But yeah, giving no saves is always nice. The Greater Demons can summon demons aswell dont forget. And it cant be one hit killed, and the Greater Demon of Nurgle has 6 wounds, thats all for 150 points. well, I guess keep what you have, and at least drop the Spiky Bits for Furious Charge. i've only spent 21 points on upgrades. i'm allowed 50. can't i take both?
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 6:08 pm
Your allowed 150 on a Lord, 100 of which may be Demonic. I would recomend keeping him as cheap as possible. 224 points for 14 man Plague Bearer Squads, which is what your going to probably want, you want the Lord to be as cheap as possible, and still effective in combat.
I read your victory thing in lucky models. WHAT THE HELL DID THE CHAOS PLAYER DO!?
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 6:10 pm
LightningLord Your allowed 150 on a Lord, 100 of which may be Demonic. I would recomend keeping him as cheap as possible. 224 points for 14 man Plague Bearer Squads, which is what your going to probably want, you want the Lord to be as cheap as possible, and still effective in combat. I read your victory thing in lucky models. WHAT THE HELL DID THE CHAOS PLAYER DO!? Die. Duh. confused
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