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 Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:24 pm
rmcdra Captain_Shinzo But then technically, that would make such a place a whole new type of government system. A theocracy if you will. Democratic countries should atleast keep laws and religion separate.
The Red Scare act still slightly pisses me off, too... stare I'm not to fond of the Red Scare either. It's just as paranoid and delusional as this 2012 and Nibaru garbage that's floating around now. Mass hysteria, and in the history of the US we have had, as examples of mass hysteria: Witches, communists, terrorists, gays, 2012, Y2K to name a few. When people are scared they are more willing to hand over their freedoms to the government and that will lead to a powerful central leader, hence McCarthyism, and hence W's terrorist witch hunt known as the Patriot Act.
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Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:58 pm
WickedRentSpringAwakening rmcdra Captain_Shinzo But then technically, that would make such a place a whole new type of government system. A theocracy if you will. Democratic countries should atleast keep laws and religion separate.
The Red Scare act still slightly pisses me off, too... stare I'm not to fond of the Red Scare either. It's just as paranoid and delusional as this 2012 and Nibaru garbage that's floating around now. Mass hysteria, and in the history of the US we have had, as examples of mass hysteria: Witches, communists, terrorists, gays, 2012, Y2K to name a few. When people are scared they are more willing to hand over their freedoms to the government and that will lead to a powerful central leader, hence McCarthyism, and hence W's terrorist witch hunt known as the Patriot Act. Yeah it's highly manipulative since it takes advantage of the ignorance and fears of the populous and it's the abuse of one's power of authority. I think we are getting off topic now. Anyway back to homosexuality. It's not against nature as popularly believed since we have studies by the APA and other credible psychological authorities that it is part of normal sexual development. To say that it's against nature is just as ignorant to say that nature supports homosexuality since the male prostate is one p***s length from the a**s. There have also been studies disproving the lies about homosexuality being interrelated with *****, bestiality, or any other abusive sexual practices. Though there are some religions that are against homosexuality, we have been shown that in Judaism and Christianity the interpretations of scripture being against homosexuality is a result of appeals to tradition and a misunderstanding of the source language and contexts of the canonical texts. And in the United States there is a separation of church and state. So while churches reserve the right to not offer a religious marriage to homosexuals, there is no reason for secular marriage to have such a restriction. If gay marriage is going to destroy anything, it's going to destroy the close ties that religious and secular marriage has had in the United States which shouldn't be there if there is supposed to be a separation of church and state.
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Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 11:16 pm
WickedRentSpringAwakening caeruleus5765 Working that which is unseemly... perhaps this doesn't mean sex but rather lacking others consideration. (Definition of unseemly from Princeton.edu) Such as gay rape, or making out in public where children can watch. I know I wouldn't want someone making my kids gay. I draw the line here. To say that gay couples may not make out in public, but straight couples can is wrong. There is no basis in logic for that. Plus, you can't make kids gay. Being gay is being attracted to someone of the same sex, it's not something you can force on someone. And Jesus said that all of the laws of the prophets are summed up in loving others, I'm not getting that at all from the laws, most of them are pretty much against loving others. Well it seems to me that people don't want their kids seeing that. They don't understand it so it frightens them. If your in a community that feels this way, I think it's only respectful to not do it in public. I mean, we can make out anywhere. Does it really have to be done in a place that would upset people? Then again. I'm not the type of guy who's into public displays of affection anyway, so that sacrifice would be easy for me. This might be harder for other gay guys. I agree that it's not fair, but even crazy people deserve respect.
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Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 11:39 pm
caeruleus5765 WickedRentSpringAwakening caeruleus5765 Working that which is unseemly... perhaps this doesn't mean sex but rather lacking others consideration. (Definition of unseemly from Princeton.edu) Such as gay rape, or making out in public where children can watch. I know I wouldn't want someone making my kids gay. I draw the line here. To say that gay couples may not make out in public, but straight couples can is wrong. There is no basis in logic for that. Plus, you can't make kids gay. Being gay is being attracted to someone of the same sex, it's not something you can force on someone. And Jesus said that all of the laws of the prophets are summed up in loving others, I'm not getting that at all from the laws, most of them are pretty much against loving others. Well it seems to me that people don't want their kids seeing that. They don't understand it so it frightens them. If your in a community that feels this way, I think it's only respectful to not do it in public. I mean, we can make out anywhere. Does it really have to be done in a place that would upset people? Then again. I'm not the type of guy who's into public displays of affection anyway, so that sacrifice would be easy for me. This might be harder for other gay guys. I agree that it's not fair, but even crazy people deserve respect.
Kids don't become gay by being around gay people. And what kind of message is that parent sending by basically saying "Get out of here, I don't want you to turn my son gay!" What will that child learn about homosexuality? How will he treat gay people in the future? Or even, what if he grows up to be gay? If coming out wasn't going to be hard enough, his parents have already convinced him that it's a bad thing and there's something wrong with him.
No, that way of thinking needs to be changed. Too many people say "No, no, there's nothing wrong with homosexuality! I'm tolerant! Just don't put it where I can see it because it makes me uncomfortable..."
Respect is one thing. Really, I'm all about respect. But most people need to be pushed a little or they'll never change.
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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 1:04 am
brainnsoup caeruleus5765 WickedRentSpringAwakening caeruleus5765 Working that which is unseemly... perhaps this doesn't mean sex but rather lacking others consideration. (Definition of unseemly from Princeton.edu) Such as gay rape, or making out in public where children can watch. I know I wouldn't want someone making my kids gay. I draw the line here. To say that gay couples may not make out in public, but straight couples can is wrong. There is no basis in logic for that. Plus, you can't make kids gay. Being gay is being attracted to someone of the same sex, it's not something you can force on someone. And Jesus said that all of the laws of the prophets are summed up in loving others, I'm not getting that at all from the laws, most of them are pretty much against loving others. Well it seems to me that people don't want their kids seeing that. They don't understand it so it frightens them. If your in a community that feels this way, I think it's only respectful to not do it in public. I mean, we can make out anywhere. Does it really have to be done in a place that would upset people? Then again. I'm not the type of guy who's into public displays of affection anyway, so that sacrifice would be easy for me. This might be harder for other gay guys. I agree that it's not fair, but even crazy people deserve respect.
Kids don't become gay by being around gay people. And what kind of message is that parent sending by basically saying "Get out of here, I don't want you to turn my son gay!" What will that child learn about homosexuality? How will he treat gay people in the future? Or even, what if he grows up to be gay? If coming out wasn't going to be hard enough, his parents have already convinced him that it's a bad thing and there's something wrong with him.
No, that way of thinking needs to be changed. Too many people say "No, no, there's nothing wrong with homosexuality! I'm tolerant! Just don't put it where I can see it because it makes me uncomfortable..."
Respect is one thing. Really, I'm all about respect. But most people need to be pushed a little or they'll never change.Sound like those people need to repent which from what I understand is translated from a Greek word literally meaning "to think again" or "re-think".
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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 5:26 pm
caeruleus5765 WickedRentSpringAwakening caeruleus5765 Working that which is unseemly... perhaps this doesn't mean sex but rather lacking others consideration. (Definition of unseemly from Princeton.edu) Such as gay rape, or making out in public where children can watch. I know I wouldn't want someone making my kids gay. I draw the line here. To say that gay couples may not make out in public, but straight couples can is wrong. There is no basis in logic for that. Plus, you can't make kids gay. Being gay is being attracted to someone of the same sex, it's not something you can force on someone. And Jesus said that all of the laws of the prophets are summed up in loving others, I'm not getting that at all from the laws, most of them are pretty much against loving others. Well it seems to me that people don't want their kids seeing that. They don't understand it so it frightens them. If your in a community that feels this way, I think it's only respectful to not do it in public. I mean, we can make out anywhere. Does it really have to be done in a place that would upset people? Then again. I'm not the type of guy who's into public displays of affection anyway, so that sacrifice would be easy for me. This might be harder for other gay guys. I agree that it's not fair, but even crazy people deserve respect.
Kids in the 1800s used to think blacks of any kind were out-worldly and strange. Now today, they are equal.
Besides, seperation of church and state should still be used today.
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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 5:28 pm
rmcdra Captain_Shinzo But then technically, that would make such a place a whole new type of government system. A theocracy if you will. Democratic countries should atleast keep laws and religion separate.
The Red Scare act still slightly pisses me off, too... stare I'm not saying they shouldn't. I was just trying to say that Rome was a bad example, though they did have a pretty good system set up for their time. I think present day England or France would be a better example of separation of church and state, though I could be mistaken on that too. I'm not to fond of the Red Scare either. It's just as paranoid and delusional as this 2012 and Nibaru garbage that's floating around now.
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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 9:34 pm
Captain_Shinzo Captain_Shinzo gohst13 Captain_Shinzo gohst13 brainnsoup Oh, I know, I agree with you. I'm just adding my opinions.
Though I wouldn't get my hopes up for an unbiased, objective reason why we shouldn't legalize gay marriage. I don't think one exits.
But even if you said, as I have read
"People just need to follow their gut."
Problem is, that is pretty wrong.
As I have stated, way way back, people thought blacks should stay segregated in building and facilities. A vast majority thought this. But just because they think this doesn't make it right.
Get what I am saying? If there is no reason to keep homosexuals from marriage, than why do it?
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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 10:27 pm
gohst13 But again it doesn't matter if it's right or wrong. Then there can be no justice. Quote: People do what THEY believe is right, it doesn't exactly mean that it's right to everyone else. So if this is true and I say you are wrong how can you prove me wrong? Let me give you another example, if I believe that raping babies is right and I could make it legal to do would I be right to do so? Quote: It's about opinion, not mush else. Opinions are worthless if there's nothing to back them up.
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Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 5:03 am
I don't know if this was already adressed [I suppose it probably was seeing how many pages there are], but it doesn't make sense for Christians to quote Leviticus as a "proof" against homosexuality. These laws have never been meant for the gentiles; they were given specifically to the Hebrews and it is very clear from the context of the book.
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Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:20 am
Luz Melian I don't know if this was already adressed [I suppose it probably was seeing how many pages there are], but it doesn't make sense for Christians to quote Leviticus as a "proof" against homosexuality. These laws have never been meant for the gentiles; they were given specifically to the Hebrews and it is very clear from the context of the book. They should have read Hesekiel (or however his name is spelled in English) as well, but it seems they kept those non-commandment laws anyway, maybe because they considered them older than the Commandments ......
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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 6:41 pm
gohst13 Captain_Shinzo Captain_Shinzo gohst13 Captain_Shinzo The point was that there is no reason for Homosexuality being wrong as you said.
But even if you said, as I have read
"People just need to follow their gut."
Problem is, that is pretty wrong.
As I have stated, way way back, people thought blacks should stay segregated in building and facilities. A vast majority thought this. But just because they think this doesn't make it right.
Get what I am saying? If there is no reason to keep homosexuals from marriage, than why do it?
You said that it is technically all about opinions.
However, as RMCDRA has said, opinions are nothing without a reason to believe in it.
If you have nothing to say, then where else could your argument stand?
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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:14 pm
I have yet to have anyone give me proof where it says anywhere in the Bible that homosexuality as it exists today is sinful.
That being said, even if it is sinful, the government has no right to prohibit homosexuals from getting legally married. It's legal, not religious. The politician's personal faith shouldn't make a difference, they should be advocating for the people they represent, which includes equal rights for homosexuals and all.
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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:42 pm
freelance lover I have yet to have anyone give me proof where it says anywhere in the Bible that homosexuality as it exists today is sinful.
That being said, even if it is sinful, the government has no right to prohibit homosexuals from getting legally married. It's legal, not religious. The politician's personal faith shouldn't make a difference, they should be advocating for the people they represent, which includes equal rights for homosexuals and all. That's basically we're I'm at. As a Christian I have yet to see biblical support backing the stance that homosexuality is a sin and like you said, if it is than it still has no bearing on the legal status of gay marriage in the US since religion is not a source that can be used to force certain laws on anyone.
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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:34 pm
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