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Okay, some realistic points to point out.

A person moving forward is always faster than a person moving backwards. It takes less effort for the joints of the human body to move forward, as well as the awkward shift in balance moving backwards produces. So distance should not be an issue.

Tiem Jay's grab, described to be the same throughout the whole encounter, being the same, was a grab at mid torso around cloth. I'd say that sweeping the spear across could knock a hand away, but would throw off the attacking of the legs by the central pivoting movement.

Yariel's backwards movement, accompanied by a sidestepping motion, would still put him against a wall, since he's still moving backwards, so in the end, he's just spiralling out towards the wall rather than walking straight back into it.

And then theres time travel. Yeah... I wrote something about not going back in time to change an action if you dont like the result of the initial action, because it accomplishes nothing.



But no, I'm just going to go to the beginning of the problems and ignore all the other stuff as if they didnt happen if this didnt. Too many steps with too little time. Stopping to make a spear thrust, sidestep, and then backstep as well when someone else was just trying to move an arm down and step forward isnt going to fly. Realistically, nobody is that fast, and this is a place where there arent any fancy super powers or who is stronger and who is faster. This is human limitations.

I'd say cancelling all the time travel and ignoring of basic human motion, everything rewinds back to this post;

You're confusing me here.

So moving backwards and sideways is faster than moving forwards and forwards?


The length of a normal sword (depending on the type) is usually somewhere between 30-40" from tip to pommel. That's 2 and a half to a little over 3 feet.

Additionally, extending my arm (me here at the desk), from the shoulder joint to the tip of the fingers, that's about 2 to 2 and a half feet.

So 2 feet arm + 2 feet weapon = 4 feet reach, which would easily cover the three feet of distance you stated between the characters.

It has nothing to do with the length of the weapon, 3 feet could probably be covered with a butterknife. It's just that you forgot that an arm also has reach.


Though this isn't really a counterpoint, it is an apology for my phrasing. I made it sound like I was implying the attack was unavoidable, while I meant to imply that avoiding the attack would be difficult under the circumstances.

"unless the lancer had only half-heartedly committed to his attack, he wouldn't be able to practice any fancy footwork to get out of this one"

That's the exact wording used. The reasons behind it are simple enough that anyone be able to appreciate the reasoning. Yariel, making a thrusting attack, would most likely be performing a lunge maneuver; he hastily charged forwards and then had to slow down rapidly in order to avoid simply crashing into the other opponent (the alternative would be that he didn't actually charge at his opponent, though you said "he rushes his opponent" so...). To slow that quickly he'd need to do two things, the first being lowering his stance in order to keep his footing stable, and the second would be that his front leg is actively bracing against his own momentum. To pick up the front leg would mean he falls, to pick up the back leg would mean he falls and/or gives up on slowing down in favor of advancing another step. Considering neither meant that he would be able to move back or to the side, no "footwork" would be able to keep him from being hit.

The dodge would have to be done with the torso, for instance a drastic lean to the side; or it would need to be guarded actively, though that was unlikely considering the downward attack was a response to the rising stab-thrust done by the spear (which means that he's lowering the back end of the spear in favor of raising the tip) he wouldn't be able to raise the haft above shoulder level in time.


Your post says three feet, the response was written at three feet, which is well within range of a counterattack.




It's true that both are attacking at once, but isn't it a little unclear as to who is being "attacked within the period that he attacked himself"?

Yariel attacked, and was attacked within the period that he attacked. What happened next could probably best be described as "avoid and adjust"; namely, avoiding the counter and adjusting the position of his weapon as a means of attack.

The problem with that is, he's either going to avoid, then adjust (meaning that Tiem's attack completes first), or he's going to adjust, and get hit (due to not avoiding in time), or he's going to avoid and adjust at the same time, which simply leads to the posted defense.





So, in three consecutive posts it's stated that Yariel's momentum hadn't entirely stopped, and that he was still moving forwards past the three feet mark.




And in two consecutive posts it's stated that Tiem would, did, and would continue to advance directly towards Yariel; whether he goes forwards, back, or side to side.


If Yariel still has his momentum, he's still moving forwards. If Tiem's first reaction is to make a step towards Yariel, that means that they're both moving towards each other (read: right to left, left to right) and that three feet of distance would shrink. If the spear was thrust so that it would pierce the gut (and no further), then any closer than that and he's adjacent to the shaft.

Now, we could get into a huge thing about this, but in the end all it comes down to is where Yariel has his hands positioned on the shaft of the spear...
Unfortunately that doesn't give me distances. With the spear cited as 4' 8" in length and his height given at , his hands could be anywhere on it, up to having one at the end of the shaft and one all the way up to the blade.

However, considering you forgot to factor in arm length to the distance between the two I'm tempted to assume that the hands are not within the first three feet, meaning that both hands are within the last 20".

Which I had a point to saying... but I won't even bother bringing it up because it would just end up coming back to the "I stepped away!" "Nuh uh, no u di-in' *snaps a z*."



Two hands on it, one hand removed, that leaves only the left hand on it.

Though I probably should have been more clear in that area.

But wut Ovahmassuh Overlord says is final.

I read your argument, jello, but it seems to be we both are having distance/length inssues because I'm not going to say I'm right, but I won't say I'm wrong, either. What I meant by that strafe/bakwards movement response was that the distance wouldn't be closed as fast as you were saying. Though Yariel was slowing, which I never forgot about, I did state how he had shifted to the left. His intention was to keep a good distance between them so the slowing was only a redirection of his momentum in another direction. It's like if you run up to someone, then suddenly see them like do something you dont like (pull out a gun for instance), you will slow and fall back or move to the side. Only this version of it is less nervous-activated.

Also, I never did forget about the arm length. What I was confused about was how you were performing such a move from a sidestep from that distance, but then I was already picturing Yariel having control over how far he places himself, which is why I wasn't that concerned about the wooden's sword length until now. I figured I shouldn't try to argue something as pointless as an evasion.

Ack, these arguments ruin fights so much. I say we start where your right arm stops the blade from the counter Yariel did from the stab because it was here where you began your advancement. And as I said, you were speedhacking with assuming you got into close range so quickly. Even if the three feet is being passed, there's still some significant feet left to get close, which is what I stated in the following post.

So, does that sound reasonable?

I never heard of having to slid for ten feet before stopping. Anyone can make a definited stop and change the direction of it, as long as it's not completely back in the opposite direction, as well as their speed. I will admit that the variable here also is whether Yariel was running too fast to have to lose balance in the shifting he did. I can't say so myself since my run was only suppose to be fast enough for him to slow at the three feet mark where he would eventually come to a stop, since distance is his tactics, so he wouldn't be going too fast to not be able to slow there.



The strafe happens when he's using that swing. This is what I'm saying. As I said in my post, Yariel would notice you sidestepping as he did the stab. Tiem is avoiding it then, and attacking. However, because Yariel has the advantage of distance, he has the advantage of reaction time because even though that sword is long, it is still coming from Tiem's shoulder in an arc to hit Yariel in his shoulder, as you've described. Seeing that thing coming over like that, Yariel is able to make that last second adjustment to "scoot" out of the way to avoid the swing, which comes to the manner of that staff's blade striking at his body.

Now this brings up another debate of whether your character would have been able to see both where the blade was going at and seeing where to swing his sword all in one second. That's why that part of the fight seems to build up to the rest of it.



Preferably, I would choose number 1, because it's actually what I just proposed.


Yes, we did, but thus argument all depends on what happened during that single period of that stab to your sidestepping then sword attack, and finally blocking. So that's where our fight should return to.

So, is it agreeable that I start at the post after your sword strike? I believe this time things can be more clear and clarified since no problems existed until those unknown variables were place.

There's no point in writing a long response, since the majority of your post was just mis-reading mine.

Start wherever you wish within that post, because I have nothing to change about it. So you can reply as normal to my post, and I will reply as normal to yours.

Though I can't shake this feeling that we're just going to end up here again.

Meanwhile, while you two finish that up, I might as well get the half of the second round over with to save time.