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You have learned well, young padowan. But the path to becoming a Jedi is long, can you walk it?

I see people don't understand the difference between;

A) Competition: A setting where rules and regulations are put into play to illustrate skill and proficiency.

and;

B) Combat: A vigorous conflict between two opposing forces.

I don't know how people should approach open RP. That is at the discretion of the DM and that particular community. I do however know that a tournament should be conducted in only one manner, it should be a competition.

So when people make these tournaments on Gaia whether it be a Tournament Roleplay or a Roleplay Tournament, one overlaying ideal must shine through at all times. It is to test skill and proficiency.

Vin is right in that you cannot account for all of the variables but he is wrong in that because you cannot account for all the variables a standard cannot be made.

Organized fighting has weight divisions and skill divisions for a reason. "Amateurs" don't immediately jump into the ring with "Professionals" for a reason. "Heavyweights" don't get to fight "Welterweights" for a reason.

Our Gaian Tournaments unfortunately do and will continue to have a hard time classifying such things but the core concept should still be present seeing has the majority of the tournaments within our community are more akin to UFC Pay-per-veiw events with powers then are to say underground bloodsports.

Your goal is indeed to win but through fair equally matched competition.

Ertai and Vinny and those like them as far as I can tell fight using their character as tool.

Where as I would say Tres, myself and those like us fight through our characters, immersing ourselves to be them and react as they would to our opponent.

Neither way is bad but only one is role-playing while the other is playing chess with one piece.

Although he is trying his best to rile me up... I still generally don't have a problem with Vinny nor do I have a problem discussing anything with him up until he uses personal attacks to try and trip up the conversation.

When you can longer stick to the issue at hand and find yourself getting emotional and needing to use slander to advocate your point, no growth can be had beyond that point unless the individuals in questions are familiar with each other to that level and can bypass the negative to continue addressing the core issue.

Being able to have civil discussion is tantamount for reaching mutual understanding. So if reaching mutual understanding is not your goal, I personally do not have the time, patience, resources to spare, or emotional integrity to continue conversation with you.

I'm actually jealous that Vin is such a level of troll that he can get constant attention for half of all the pages in the OOC.

you guys are funny. You realize that you win or loose purely based on how you look at things. In a roleplay if you set your goal to get the girl, kill the dragon , or dominate everyone and you accomplish it then you win. Whether everyone hates you in the end or your skill is bad etc is just details. For someone like Vin (don't get me wrong I'm not justifying anything I'm just pointing out something you guys are overlooking) he's a man who goes by the results.

Ertai and Vinny and those like them as far as I can tell fight using their character as tool.

Where as I would say Tres, myself and those like us fight through our characters, immersing ourselves to be them and react as they would to our opponent.

Neither way is bad but only one is role-playing while the other is playing chess with one piece.

I have problem with this statement and Tres's general outlook of " just ban him".

Vinny starts his conversations fine. He expresses opposing opinions, ones that others may share, but due to their standing in the community and our 'rally the troops" approach to everything, are unwilling to express. Problem is when he can't get his point across in one post, he resorts to debasing his counterpart.

I was playing devils advocate o.o

I agree with this, except for the part about how Neither way is bad. Using your character as a tool is bad. Its both metagaming, power-gaming, and immersion breaking. All things that are bad.

So you agree that having a conversation with him is pointless because he always falls back on baseless personal insults...that and his opinions are ridiculous anyway. He will never listen to reason. We know this.

Vintrict is like the Rabid Family Dog. He won't get better, no matter what we do. All he does is serve to disrupt family gatherings (aka events, RP's, etc) and distract people from rewarding conversation or rewarding play.

I realize its not nice to exclude someone and I agree, but this is an extreme circumstance.

Why do we put ourselves through this for his sake? I don't understand.