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 Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 10:38 pm
SD Paul Prospero RedEagleEye007 I've personally tried my hardest not to get into this at all, but the fact is, the lore of a seemingly legendary type of Pokémon; which the reason why it seems legendary is indicated by telepathic ability, metamorphic powers, and just its raw ability to be in modern terms, 'a one-man wrecking crew': the lore has to be full proof. Like one: why would this Pokémon hate dragons? If it was the first Dragon ever to be created, it had to have a run in with say the second to be created that would cause it to pass down its true hatred to the next. It would make much more sense to say it would hate ice-types like an articuno, because by definition of evolution, ice types are this Pokémon's 'natural enemy', and by all means and if you left it at that, I think you would've generated better scores. I was writing reviews for Pokémon and I never posted it because I wanted to avoid conflict because of this Pokémon and a few others. I personally felt bad because I felt like I ripped it apart. Had nothing to do with 'fire storm', and I was not bias whatsoever. I mean, literally, if you had gone into lore a little more and had explained it thoroughly to a point that 'made sense' of a few things, I personally would've given it full 5/5 on every single one. I enjoyed the entry and thought it was original for what it was, but it just needed to explain a few things. You realize it's because Draginal is the first to exist that it looks down on other Dragon-types, right? Just because it's not stated that it doesn't like Ice-types doesn't mean it likes them. And, Lucifer did put in the theorized reason why Draginal hates other Dragon-types. In the NOTES section. Also, if we're talking about seemingly legendary Pokemon, then Flurry and Giozard shouldn't have won either. Flurry's role is that of a legendary's and Giozard is legitimately made from a legendary's soul. So, that whole "seems like a legendary" argument isn't valid. The rules also didn't say we couldn't make a Legendary, so it's not like anyone broke any rules. Then explain why it looks up to the Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina. I'd understand that argument if the hatred was dispersed through the whole dragon community. Because Draginal would be older than them too; so by order of that argument, Draginal would look down on them too. I'm not saying that just because its a 'seemingly 'legendary, it shouldn't win, but its got to be iron'd out completely. And the others were. And Theorizing and Truth are far from the same. That's all I'm leaving this on. This is subjective opinion. Choose to take it as it is. Feel free to argue with it.
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 10:43 pm
RedEagleEye007 I've personally tried my hardest not to get into this at all, but the fact is, the lore of a seemingly legendary type of Pokémon; which the reason why it seems legendary is indicated by telepathic ability, metamorphic powers, and just its raw ability to be in modern terms, 'a one-man wrecking crew': the lore has to be full proof. Like one: why would this Pokémon hate dragons? If it was the first Dragon ever to be created, it had to have a run in with say the second to be created that would cause it to pass down its true hatred to the next. It would make much more sense to say it would hate ice-types like an articuno, because by definition of evolution, ice types are this Pokémon's 'natural enemy', and by all means and if you left it at that, I think you would've generated better scores. I was writing reviews for Pokémon and I never posted it because I wanted to avoid conflict because of this Pokémon and a few others. I personally felt bad because I felt like I ripped it apart. Had nothing to do with 'fire storm', and I was not bias whatsoever. I mean, literally, if you had gone into lore a little more and had explained it thoroughly to a point that 'made sense' of a few things, I personally would've given it full 5/5 on every single one. I enjoyed the entry and thought it was original for what it was, but it just needed to explain a few things. i'm going to say this once:
lore is just a story.
a story that only legendaries have.
it's also a story i was happy to build as avonlea progressed on her journey with michael.
like someone said, "It is a newly discovered Pokemon".
and, no. i put it was the first bountiful dragon-type, meaning it came into existence after dialga, palkia, and giratina.
like so:
"and it's even believed it was the first bountiful Dragon-type to roam the planet."
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 10:56 pm
Lucifer Lord of Torment i had a long a** post about how much i hate everyone right now, but....
i'm a sore loser, so i won't post it.
i will, however, tell you my opinion on your votes.
draginal was awful because it's a dragon-type and you don't like dragon-types? wasn't it stated you had to be unbiased when judging?
fire storm is an overpowered move? HA! not as overpowered as judgement, which does 500 damage when used correctly and has no recoil whatsoever.
there's no lore? big deal. you know how hard it is for someone with no creative talent whatsoever to come up with an entire background on a species that has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with the individual pokemon? i'm not a creative computer like everyone else is.
i also think the winners shouldn't be allowed to participate in at least one custom pokemon contest after winning.
just to be fair to the rest of the members. If I may interject, allow me to explain why it scored so low with most people. Firstly, on the typing issue, this wasn't the crux of why it was bad. Many people even stated that they liked dragon-types, but the mono-typing of dragon has been done to death, which is a fact. Dragons are extremely common, and as for the bias, you realize that's how voting works? You give it points depending on how well you thought it did in x area. Secondly, what's your argument here? That Fire Storm does half as much damage as the signature move of the pokemon god with no recoil? Not to mention, Judgement has to be used in a certain way to deal that much damage. Most pokemon don't have a 5x weakness to something, and it's base is only 100. By that logic, it makes Fire Storm an even bigger offender because it's base damage is 2.5x God's signature. And finally, Lucifer, it is a big deal. The ammount of people who pointed this out should make that clear. If you're not creative, then unless all you do are self-inserts, then how'd you make a character? Unless they're all as copy&paste as Draginal, which I should probably point out was Mikhail from Drakengard 3, I don't see your argument here. But, I can understand not having the creative juices to have every broad aspect planned out at once, so my only advice to you is to make the bare-bones skeleton of an entry and slowly build it up from there. Also, I don't see why that last bit would be needed. There's no guarantee the current winners would win again, or that there won't be some people who'd come up with some better entries to beat them. If you're that butthurt by the entries that, I personally believe, deservedly beat out your entry, then that's your own issue. But if I were you, I'd go back to the drawing board and think of something that would be deserving of a win.
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 11:07 pm
Lucifer Lord of Torment RedEagleEye007 I've personally tried my hardest not to get into this at all, but the fact is, the lore of a seemingly legendary type of Pokémon; which the reason why it seems legendary is indicated by telepathic ability, metamorphic powers, and just its raw ability to be in modern terms, 'a one-man wrecking crew': the lore has to be full proof. Like one: why would this Pokémon hate dragons? If it was the first Dragon ever to be created, it had to have a run in with say the second to be created that would cause it to pass down its true hatred to the next. It would make much more sense to say it would hate ice-types like an articuno, because by definition of evolution, ice types are this Pokémon's 'natural enemy', and by all means and if you left it at that, I think you would've generated better scores. I was writing reviews for Pokémon and I never posted it because I wanted to avoid conflict because of this Pokémon and a few others. I personally felt bad because I felt like I ripped it apart. Had nothing to do with 'fire storm', and I was not bias whatsoever. I mean, literally, if you had gone into lore a little more and had explained it thoroughly to a point that 'made sense' of a few things, I personally would've given it full 5/5 on every single one. I enjoyed the entry and thought it was original for what it was, but it just needed to explain a few things. i'm going to say this once:
lore is just a story.
a story that only legendaries have.
it's also a story i was happy to build as avonlea progressed on her journey with michael.
like someone said, "It is a newly discovered Pokemon".
and, no. i put it was the first bountiful dragon-type, meaning it came into existence after dialga, palkia, and giratina.
like so:
"and it's even believed it was the first bountiful Dragon-type to roam the planet." Plus, if this Pokémon is truly a bountiful dragon, following the definition of 'bountiful', mating season for this Pokémon could in all words destroy the world. If two of these high level Pokémon got together and because they hated all dragons and hunted, everything would just about be destroyed. Fire storm would render a true problem. This Pokémon can't by any means be a bountiful Pokémon. Plus, Fire storm is almost twice as strong as the strongest move a Dragon mono-type can have in Draco Meteor, and Draco Meteor sets you way back in a battle scenario where fire storm doesn't at all. With the power this has, it should put your spec attack down about 5 stages or something.
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 11:23 pm
well, considering draginal's story and behavior, being paired with any other type would be an insult to it.
please.
if this was a move in the games, we'd all be flocking to have it.
avonlea is based on zero.
i can't make a character from nothing.
that's how horrible i am at being creative.
if i don't have an inspiration to draw from, you can forget ever seeing me doing anything creative.
you're right, but it's still wrong to let winners participate in two contests in a row. i didn't understand any of that.
it can't exist because it hunts? it also scavenges.
hell, the trainer can even make its meals, and it'll even eat rotting corpses if it wanted to.
...
you know what? never mind. i get it.
my entry was awful. i won't submit it again.
and, that's the point. draginal is a species that prides itself in power.
having a strong species-only move is very fitting for it.
even with no recoil.
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 11:43 pm
Lucifer Lord of Torment well, considering draginal's story and behavior, being paired with any other type would be an insult to it.
please.
if this was a move in the games, we'd all be flocking to have it.
avonlea is based on zero.
i can't make a character from nothing.
that's how horrible i am at being creative.
if i don't have an inspiration to draw from, you can forget ever seeing me doing anything creative.
you're right, but it's still wrong to let winners participate in two contests in a row. ] ...Not really. I mean, a fire-typing would have been fine. I mean, it's signature is "Fire Storm", and most dragons are associated with fire, so it wouldn't be insulting, but I digress. Lucy we'd be flocking to get it because Fire Storm is broken. Stupidly so. There's nothing wrong with using a faceclaim or taking inspiration from something, but you've gotta do at least something to make it your own. Changing one or two things wouldn't do you much good, but it doesn't take too much creativity to get the gears turning. No, no it's not wrong. Apply that to say a NASCAR race or even any major fighting sport, there'd be no point to champions. Look at it this way; You just watched an amazing fight, a real clash of titans. The whole battle is long and has plenty of turns, but eventually one finally comes out on top. What would you like more; The winner to do nothing afterwards, or see another of their fights? Nine times out of ten you'll want to see what they do next. Lucifer Lord of Torment i didn't understand any of that.
it can't exist because it hunts? it also scavenges.
hell, the trainer can even make its meals, and it'll even eat rotting corpses if it wanted to.
...
you know what? never mind. i get it.
my entry was awful. i won't submit it again.
and, that's the point. draginal is a species that prides itself in power.
having a strong species-only move is very fitting for it.
even with no recoil. It's a simple thing. If it was bountiful, there'd be a ******** ton of Draginal running around, and there would be no world because they'd be wrecking everything's s**t. Imagine if today, earth suddenly got hit with as many asteroids and space debris as it did in it's infancy. There wouldn't be a world left for anyone to live on. Also, I don't remember the entry stating that it was a scavenger. Look, rather than making this a long, drawn out thing that goes back and forth, I'll leave with the gist and we can leave it at that. Whether you learn from it is up to you. Draginal is, in itself, not a flawed concept. It can work, it can be done, it just needs to be done better. A powerful species-only move is fine, but there needs to be a balance. No unique moves, legendary or otherwise, stray above 100-to-150 damage. Those that do put strain on the pokemon, and none go up to or beyond 200. The highest damaging move takes literally everything out of the pokemon, thus there is a price for using it and keeps it balanced. If Draginal is supposed to be a pokemon prided in power, then it's unique should probably be a high damage physical attack. That's the issue with the attack, and that's why it's so glaring.
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 11:45 pm
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 11:48 pm
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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 12:12 am
i didn't want a dragon/fire dual type.
if i wanted a dual type, i would have made a god damn dual type.
i turned zero into avonlea. same face, different stories.
i even included a legendary in avonlea's biography!
i say that's pretty damn creative for me.
i'm not an artist or a writer.
i don't like nascar or fighting sports. or, any sport for that matter.
so....i chose to not see the winner at all?
i will point out the definition of OMNIVOROUS:
feeding on food of both plant and animal origin
draginal will eat anything digestible.
meaning it hunts, scavenges, and forages.
did you even bother reading everything, or did you cut off halfway?
because, i get the sense you didn't read it all the way.
or, at least, not clearly.
but, whatever.
i don't even care anymore.
congrats to the winners. i hope your fakemon are just peachy.
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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 12:26 am
It's just some food for thought, Lucy. Up to you if you heed it or throw it to the wind.
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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 12:36 am
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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 12:52 am
*blinks* I turn my back on this guild for one day and everything falls apart... *sighs* I'll go back to lurking after rolling for my last Easter stuff. Hopefully things will have cooled down in here by the time I pull together another opportunity to post.
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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 1:05 am
yeah, i know.
friendly neighbor advise, right?
still, i'm done defending my entry.
it's not going to see the light of day again until it's flawless anyway.
might as well get over it.
michael will have to be some canon dragon-type, even though they're all horrible matches for him.
i'll focus on getting the last two disciples before i even think about getting michael.
so many dragons, but they're all awful. even noivern, if only because of the ears.
man....
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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 6:53 am
I rolled two Mareep. If I fail to catch the first one, I don't mind letting your character encounter the second one. I caught the first Mareep successfully. Can I hand over the second to Sonic even though I'm the one who rolled for it and Teito hasn't encountered it?
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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 8:35 am
SD Paul Prospero I rolled two Mareep. If I fail to catch the first one, I don't mind letting your character encounter the second one. I caught the first Mareep successfully. Can I hand over the second to Sonic even though I'm the one who rolled for it and Teito hasn't encountered it? Hrrrggghhh as much as I would love to say yes, unfortunately the answer is no, you would have to catch the Mareep with Teito and coordinate something with Sonic to trade the Mareep to him. If you don't want the hassle of having your characters meet up in person, you could perhaps have them use the GTS, since that's a thing in the games?
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