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Sol Walker
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 7:34 am


I dunno...seems more like the Jedi code to me...
PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 7:54 am


It almost is, but it's applied to the Sith. Favoring Revan's and Bane's teachings, it favors patience when dealing with the Jedi. It criticizes Palpatine's and Lumiya's, and eventually Krayt's pre-emptive strikes that failed to accomplish their goals.

The problem with the original code was that it made most Sith arrogant and convinced them that their emotions and power would inevitably make them better than the Jedi. This code corrects this by saying controlled emotions, and controlled power, much like Darth Vader used.

It also favors all aspects of use of the Force, instead of merely one. That eliminates such as the Sith Marauders and Warriors, forcing them to know ALL they can, not just a lot of each.Sin justifies his mastery of the force by creating TK-00 as a loyal, master swordsman.

Finally, it forces all of the arrogant Sith to realize that they're mere game pieces to the Force, being directed by its will and dying by its will. In essence, we are all slaves of the Force. It's up to us to determine which of us is the favorite slave, however.

ElladanKenet
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Sol Walker
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 8:01 am


But it doesnt seem very evil...
PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 8:06 am


Sith does not equal evil. Revan was Sith, and he wasn't evil.

In fact, when you look at it, the Sith Code itself isn't really evil.

Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.

Only think even remotely Sith is Peace is a lie. Otherwise, you could be a Jedi and follow the code. A Dark Jedi, but still a Jedi. Hell, one would almost say Anakin subconsciouslly followed this code before he actually became Darth Vader.

Both codes imply darkness, but don't state darkness. My code just says be the ebst you can be, and how. Once you get the gist of all that, then you wait on the perfect moment to strike (Rule of Two), and strike. When that time comes, then you start slaughtering.

ElladanKenet
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Sol Walker
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 8:15 am


It doesnt imply darkness at all.
It states to control your emotions, which the Jedi Code tells you to do as well.
The Darkside thrives on unchecked emotion and passion.
Thats what makes it the easier route.
PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 8:22 am


Yes. This code thus acknowledges the Jedi as legitimate users of the Force, not misguyided heretics who must be eradicated.

But this code focuses on using controlled emotions. use anger, and hate, and malice, and rage. But don't overdose.

ElladanKenet
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Sol Walker
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 8:26 am


ElladanKenet
Yes. This code thus acknowledges the Jedi as legitimate users of the Force, not misguyided heretics who must be eradicated.

But this code focuses on using controlled emotions. use anger, and hate, and malice, and rage. But don't overdose.

.....
But the Sith DO think the Jedi as heretics.
Why do you think the first Darksiders left the jedi order?
Because they thought the Jedi were using the Force wrong! Thats how the Sith got started!
And the Darkside wants people to overdose! It feeds off pain, suffering and hatred!
PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 8:38 am


Yes it does.

But one could argue whether the Dark Side wants anything. Or if even the Force is sentient. I'm contradicting myself, yes, but the Dark Side is as much a force guiding wayward Jedi as it is malignant intentions. The majority of Sith fell because they to temptations of power and ambition. Potentium theory.

Which, I guess really, this is more of a Potentium Theory, since it favors that force as a sentient entity that controlls everything equally. Sin would just be a darker used of the Potentium; theory follower, dark in power.

ElladanKenet
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ElladanKenet
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 8:49 am


I guess this really makes Sinm just an evil Gray Jedi. Self-serving, follows and molds his own destiny, and obeys none but the Force. Everything is gray, to be used as he sees fit how he sees fit.
PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 8:51 am


It is more of a potetium theory than anything.
Its too middle ground to serve Sith or Jedi.
The Jedi and Sith deal in Absolutes.
when you start to lean towards the grey the respective orders tend to hunt you down.

Sol Walker
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Sol Walker
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 8:53 am


ElladanKenet
I guess this really makes Sinm just an evil Gray Jedi. Self-serving, follows and molds his own destiny, and obeys none but the Force. Everything is gray, to be used as he sees fit how he sees fit.

The term is Dark Jedi.
He is not so commited to the Dark Side to rank a Sith, but has fallen far from the Jedi Ranks.
PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 9:49 am


Plus, your code has flaws.

first, concentration does not always mean you will gain patience, nor patience gain wisdom. That's the first arrogant flaw which would destroy your order. Its an assumption; not a garunteed result.

second, if you're trying to base this off of Revan's teachings, you're contradicting yourself. This code would fit Palps better than Revan. Revan was not patient at all; hence why he went to go fight in the war in the first place. Bane was also quite pre-emptive. Compared to Krayt's planned coup (which was almost successful) and Palps plans nearly 20 years in the making, you're kinda proving just how arrogantly ignorant sin would be.

Third, Darth Vader had no controlled emotions or power. I suggesst reading the duel between him and darth maul for proof, as it has been established as canon.

fourth, it basically states all you need is a sword and you are sith, favoring the art of the lightsaber. Nowhere does it leave room for using the force outside of bolstering your own skills as a swordsman, because "wisdom" does not entail what you think it to be.

fifth, it goes against the entire philosophy of the sith, saying that the force is a tool to be used. Only the jedi believe that the force grants you power, as long as you acknowledge its superiority, almost like it was a god. The Sith would spit upon this idea; the entire point of being a sith is to use the force as a tool, not be bent by its whims. Its the idea of independence from all things, to be your own master, not to be your own b***h.

sixth, probably the most important part, you don't get that you have to have your emotions freed to be a sith in totality. Sure, you can control your emotions, but let's recall the famous line of Palps, "Release your anger!". Is this a difficult notion to remember? No! You use your emotions to fuel your attacks. You cannot harness them; more of channel your emotions through your actions in bolsterment. The only way to have that happen is realize you have to use the full force of your emotion, not simply restrict it. Your emotions grant you your power; not restraint of them.

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Sol Walker
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 9:54 am


Hell, didnt Vader and Tyranus also say "Release your Anger!" ?
Its like the quintessesntial line for the Sith.
Or maybe Vader said release your hatred...I cant remember...
PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 10:00 am


I remember making a theory about this back in SotF, the ways of the fight.


Its a definition of when your fight has the most game. For the sith, with aggression and passion, they want to end the fight as fast as possible. If you get into a fight with someone, usually the person more pissed off swings faster, harder, and more ruthlessly than the person who is not. Their emotions give them the ability to focus naturally; even in a blind rage, people are focused on the target which they deem to have done them the most wrong. So the sith use this form of fighting as a core belief.

Now the jedi shun the use of emotion while fighting. It leads to too much focus; that's the problem. You are so intently focused on your target, you are unable to take note of the situation around you. Its a lack of perspective rather than focus.

While the sith pounds the s**t out of a jedi, he loses steam. You cannot stay angry forever at someone with the same vigor. Sure, you can be pissed off, but how long can you be in a violent rage? It takes effort to stay angry the longer you push. So what happens? If you don't break the jedi's defenses, their calm demeanor eventually will prevail, since they don't have to put effort into their fight.

Simple as that.

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Sol Walker
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 10:03 am


I remember that.
I was just saying that the sith are always spouting "release your Anger" or something to that effect.
Except for Maul.
But Maul was more a man of action than words.
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