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 Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 12:54 am
divineseraph they are different mechanics. Lust is selfish- You want it for YOU. Love is giving. they are almost opposites. Pretty much this. In the context of Christianity, lust is describing a state of extreme passion where one becomes forgetful or neglectful of the Law of Agape. While it is possible for sexual lust to convert to love, it would requires a change from who the center of focus is rooted. This would be an entire paradigm shift of how one views one's self and others in one's relationships though possible, rarely happen and often requires a specific experience or realization before it can occur.
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 5:09 am
brainnsoup gohst13 Captain_Shinzo gohst13 To the person who asked me to show the quote look up
Leviticus 18 unlawful sexual relations
It's aginsed insest and gay/lesbian relationships.
Besides, I already saw the unclean comment you posted and it didn't really prove your point or prove why homosexuals couldn't marry.
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 2:47 pm
gohst13 brainnsoup gohst13 Captain_Shinzo gohst13 To the person who asked me to show the quote look up
Leviticus 18 unlawful sexual relations
It's aginsed insest and gay/lesbian relationships.
Besides, I already saw the unclean comment you posted and it didn't really prove your point or prove why homosexuals couldn't marry.
The only reason for people disliking it is because of religion and such as why there is such a problem. Not to mention the United States Pledge of Allegiance is religious as is the money for it promises faith to God.
Also, you still have not answered my question as to why, even though you STILL involved the Bible, do laws have to apply to this?
Weed is illegal but there is no factual evidence of it being dangerous or needing to be illegal. Not to mention that laws, made by the imperfect human, should PROBABLY not be used in your argument. Have anything else instead of involving politics and the Bible? =o
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 3:00 pm
Captain_Shinzo gohst13 brainnsoup gohst13 Captain_Shinzo gohst13 To the person who asked me to show the quote look up
Leviticus 18 unlawful sexual relations
It's aginsed insest and gay/lesbian relationships.
Besides, I already saw the unclean comment you posted and it didn't really prove your point or prove why homosexuals couldn't marry.
The only reason for people disliking it is because of religion and such as why there is such a problem. Not to mention the United States Pledge of Allegiance is religious as is the money for it promises faith to God.
Also, you still have not answered my question as to why, even though you STILL involved the Bible, do laws have to apply to this?
Weed is illegal but there is no factual evidence of it being dangerous or needing to be illegal. Not to mention that laws, made by the imperfect human, should PROBABLY not be used in your argument. Have anything else instead of involving politics and the Bible? =o
I've never seen anyone's rights restricted by the mention of God in those examples.
But I really can't get over that we seriously restrict a huge chunk of the population's rights because of something that may or may not be implied in parts of the Bible that would be otherwise ignored.
Just the fact that there is no reason for these laws outside of Christianity drives me crazy!
And people don't even try to hide the fact that the reason they are against same sex marriage is religious!
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 3:20 pm
brainnsoup Captain_Shinzo gohst13 brainnsoup gohst13 Alright then lets forget the bible for a minute and let me ask you something. Why is it that gays can't marry? Why is it such a big deal if a gay couple wants to get married? Inerracial couples can get married, so why not add same sex couples to do it to? Why is it if i want to marry my ex-girlfriend I have to travel half way across the U.S. to get to the closest of the six states that allows same sex marriage? It has only part to do with the bible says anymore, it has everything to do with how interperite it now stare
The only reason for people disliking it is because of religion and such as why there is such a problem. Not to mention the United States Pledge of Allegiance is religious as is the money for it promises faith to God.
Also, you still have not answered my question as to why, even though you STILL involved the Bible, do laws have to apply to this?
Weed is illegal but there is no factual evidence of it being dangerous or needing to be illegal. Not to mention that laws, made by the imperfect human, should PROBABLY not be used in your argument. Have anything else instead of involving politics and the Bible? =o
I've never seen anyone's rights restricted by the mention of God in those examples.
But I really can't get over that we seriously restrict a huge chunk of the population's rights because of something that may or may not be implied in parts of the Bible that would be otherwise ignored.
Just the fact that there is no reason for these laws outside of Christianity drives me crazy!
And people don't even try to hide the fact that the reason they are against same sex marriage is religious!
I think she is trying to say a vast majority hate it for a reason.
But not only is she answering a question she can't seem to answer herself, but it also goes with the theory that if a majority is with a side, it must be true. That and it involves some weird politics situations.
Still, I would like a reason on why Homosexuals can't marry without using the Bible or politics because apparently, Gohst, you haven't really persuaded me with those reasons.
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 5:28 pm
Captain_Shinzo brainnsoup Captain_Shinzo gohst13 brainnsoup gohst13 Alright then lets forget the bible for a minute and let me ask you something. Why is it that gays can't marry? Why is it such a big deal if a gay couple wants to get married? Inerracial couples can get married, so why not add same sex couples to do it to? Why is it if i want to marry my ex-girlfriend I have to travel half way across the U.S. to get to the closest of the six states that allows same sex marriage? It has only part to do with the bible says anymore, it has everything to do with how interperite it now stare
The only reason for people disliking it is because of religion and such as why there is such a problem. Not to mention the United States Pledge of Allegiance is religious as is the money for it promises faith to God.
Also, you still have not answered my question as to why, even though you STILL involved the Bible, do laws have to apply to this?
Weed is illegal but there is no factual evidence of it being dangerous or needing to be illegal. Not to mention that laws, made by the imperfect human, should PROBABLY not be used in your argument. Have anything else instead of involving politics and the Bible? =o
I've never seen anyone's rights restricted by the mention of God in those examples.
But I really can't get over that we seriously restrict a huge chunk of the population's rights because of something that may or may not be implied in parts of the Bible that would be otherwise ignored.
Just the fact that there is no reason for these laws outside of Christianity drives me crazy!
And people don't even try to hide the fact that the reason they are against same sex marriage is religious!
I think she is trying to say a vast majority hate it for a reason.
But not only is she answering a question she can't seem to answer herself, but it also goes with the theory that if a majority is with a side, it must be true. That and it involves some weird politics situations.
Still, I would like a reason on why Homosexuals can't marry without using the Bible or politics because apparently, Gohst, you haven't really persuaded me with those reasons.
Though I wouldn't get my hopes up for an unbiased, objective reason why we shouldn't legalize gay marriage. I don't think one exits.
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 5:38 pm
brainnsoup Captain_Shinzo brainnsoup Captain_Shinzo gohst13 That's true. Religion shouldn't be involved in politics, but that doesn't exactly mean that happens now does it.
The only reason for people disliking it is because of religion and such as why there is such a problem. Not to mention the United States Pledge of Allegiance is religious as is the money for it promises faith to God.
Also, you still have not answered my question as to why, even though you STILL involved the Bible, do laws have to apply to this?
Weed is illegal but there is no factual evidence of it being dangerous or needing to be illegal. Not to mention that laws, made by the imperfect human, should PROBABLY not be used in your argument. Have anything else instead of involving politics and the Bible? =o
I've never seen anyone's rights restricted by the mention of God in those examples.
But I really can't get over that we seriously restrict a huge chunk of the population's rights because of something that may or may not be implied in parts of the Bible that would be otherwise ignored.
Just the fact that there is no reason for these laws outside of Christianity drives me crazy!
And people don't even try to hide the fact that the reason they are against same sex marriage is religious!
I think she is trying to say a vast majority hate it for a reason.
But not only is she answering a question she can't seem to answer herself, but it also goes with the theory that if a majority is with a side, it must be true. That and it involves some weird politics situations.
Still, I would like a reason on why Homosexuals can't marry without using the Bible or politics because apparently, Gohst, you haven't really persuaded me with those reasons.
Though I wouldn't get my hopes up for an unbiased, objective reason why we shouldn't legalize gay marriage. I don't think one exits.
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 6:14 pm
gohst13 brainnsoup Captain_Shinzo brainnsoup Captain_Shinzo gohst13 That's true. Religion shouldn't be involved in politics, but that doesn't exactly mean that happens now does it.
The only reason for people disliking it is because of religion and such as why there is such a problem. Not to mention the United States Pledge of Allegiance is religious as is the money for it promises faith to God.
Also, you still have not answered my question as to why, even though you STILL involved the Bible, do laws have to apply to this?
Weed is illegal but there is no factual evidence of it being dangerous or needing to be illegal. Not to mention that laws, made by the imperfect human, should PROBABLY not be used in your argument. Have anything else instead of involving politics and the Bible? =o
I've never seen anyone's rights restricted by the mention of God in those examples.
But I really can't get over that we seriously restrict a huge chunk of the population's rights because of something that may or may not be implied in parts of the Bible that would be otherwise ignored.
Just the fact that there is no reason for these laws outside of Christianity drives me crazy!
And people don't even try to hide the fact that the reason they are against same sex marriage is religious!
I think she is trying to say a vast majority hate it for a reason.
But not only is she answering a question she can't seem to answer herself, but it also goes with the theory that if a majority is with a side, it must be true. That and it involves some weird politics situations.
Still, I would like a reason on why Homosexuals can't marry without using the Bible or politics because apparently, Gohst, you haven't really persuaded me with those reasons.
Though I wouldn't get my hopes up for an unbiased, objective reason why we shouldn't legalize gay marriage. I don't think one exits.
But even if you said, as I have read
"People just need to follow their gut."
Problem is, that is pretty wrong.
As I have stated, way way back, people thought blacks should stay segregated in building and facilities. A vast majority thought this. But just because they think this doesn't make it right.
Get what I am saying? If there is no reason to keep homosexuals from marriage, than why do it?
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 9:03 pm
gohst13 brainnsoup Captain_Shinzo brainnsoup Captain_Shinzo gohst13 That's true. Religion shouldn't be involved in politics, but that doesn't exactly mean that happens now does it.
The only reason for people disliking it is because of religion and such as why there is such a problem. Not to mention the United States Pledge of Allegiance is religious as is the money for it promises faith to God.
Also, you still have not answered my question as to why, even though you STILL involved the Bible, do laws have to apply to this?
Weed is illegal but there is no factual evidence of it being dangerous or needing to be illegal. Not to mention that laws, made by the imperfect human, should PROBABLY not be used in your argument. Have anything else instead of involving politics and the Bible? =o
I've never seen anyone's rights restricted by the mention of God in those examples.
But I really can't get over that we seriously restrict a huge chunk of the population's rights because of something that may or may not be implied in parts of the Bible that would be otherwise ignored.
Just the fact that there is no reason for these laws outside of Christianity drives me crazy!
And people don't even try to hide the fact that the reason they are against same sex marriage is religious!
I think she is trying to say a vast majority hate it for a reason.
But not only is she answering a question she can't seem to answer herself, but it also goes with the theory that if a majority is with a side, it must be true. That and it involves some weird politics situations.
Still, I would like a reason on why Homosexuals can't marry without using the Bible or politics because apparently, Gohst, you haven't really persuaded me with those reasons.
Though I wouldn't get my hopes up for an unbiased, objective reason why we shouldn't legalize gay marriage. I don't think one exits.
What people should do is think the problem out logically and weigh the pros and cons. And as far as I know there isn't a single valid con!
Though I'm confused, are you arguing for or against legalizing gay marriage?
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 9:16 pm
I'm still waiting for one of the fundies here to prove to me that Levitical laws pertain to Christianity and that the use of toeyvah (transliterated) in 18:22 is a prohibition of all male homosexual acts and not just homosexual acts for ritual.
it is my understanding that Leviticus is more or less comparing Jewish practises to Canaanite practises (hence, the toeyvah).
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 5:08 am
Captain_Shinzo gohst13 brainnsoup Captain_Shinzo brainnsoup The mention of God in the pledge and on money bothers me, but not enough for me to actually join a protest or anything...
I've never seen anyone's rights restricted by the mention of God in those examples.
But I really can't get over that we seriously restrict a huge chunk of the population's rights because of something that may or may not be implied in parts of the Bible that would be otherwise ignored.
Just the fact that there is no reason for these laws outside of Christianity drives me crazy!
And people don't even try to hide the fact that the reason they are against same sex marriage is religious!
I think she is trying to say a vast majority hate it for a reason.
But not only is she answering a question she can't seem to answer herself, but it also goes with the theory that if a majority is with a side, it must be true. That and it involves some weird politics situations.
Still, I would like a reason on why Homosexuals can't marry without using the Bible or politics because apparently, Gohst, you haven't really persuaded me with those reasons.
Though I wouldn't get my hopes up for an unbiased, objective reason why we shouldn't legalize gay marriage. I don't think one exits.
But even if you said, as I have read
"People just need to follow their gut."
Problem is, that is pretty wrong.
As I have stated, way way back, people thought blacks should stay segregated in building and facilities. A vast majority thought this. But just because they think this doesn't make it right.
Get what I am saying? If there is no reason to keep homosexuals from marriage, than why do it?
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 4:51 pm
gohst13 Captain_Shinzo gohst13 brainnsoup Captain_Shinzo brainnsoup The mention of God in the pledge and on money bothers me, but not enough for me to actually join a protest or anything...
I've never seen anyone's rights restricted by the mention of God in those examples.
But I really can't get over that we seriously restrict a huge chunk of the population's rights because of something that may or may not be implied in parts of the Bible that would be otherwise ignored.
Just the fact that there is no reason for these laws outside of Christianity drives me crazy!
And people don't even try to hide the fact that the reason they are against same sex marriage is religious!
I think she is trying to say a vast majority hate it for a reason.
But not only is she answering a question she can't seem to answer herself, but it also goes with the theory that if a majority is with a side, it must be true. That and it involves some weird politics situations.
Still, I would like a reason on why Homosexuals can't marry without using the Bible or politics because apparently, Gohst, you haven't really persuaded me with those reasons.
Though I wouldn't get my hopes up for an unbiased, objective reason why we shouldn't legalize gay marriage. I don't think one exits.
But even if you said, as I have read
"People just need to follow their gut."
Problem is, that is pretty wrong.
As I have stated, way way back, people thought blacks should stay segregated in building and facilities. A vast majority thought this. But just because they think this doesn't make it right.
Get what I am saying? If there is no reason to keep homosexuals from marriage, than why do it?
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 5:04 pm
It could be argued that THAT is an opinion, that morality is determined by whether or not it harms someone else. While I agree, morality is rather subjective.
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 5:12 pm
divineseraph It could be argued that THAT is an opinion, that morality is determined by whether or not it harms someone else. While I agree, morality is rather subjective.
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 3:21 pm
for those of you who think you can just "pray the gay away", what happens if scientists discover homosexuality is genetic and puts a boot in the a** of your religion?
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