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The Thunder Tyrant

PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:50 pm


Legion_of_Nazareth
I wish you luck with parenting if you think no one should accept authority without question, youll love your kids, they will share that opinion, and youll wih they didnt.


Why would I wish that? I live in the Bible Belt; I'm literally surrounded by willful ignorance and it's pretty ******** disgusting. I'd rather deal with my children asking questions as children if it means they continue to do so into adulthood instead of accepting everything someone else tells them. I'd be disappointed if my kids never asked questions or showed no innate curiosity about the world.

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What it comes down to though is this, he is putting up the prize money, he should select judges he trusts to make a decision about where that money is going, he should not have a hand in that decision himself cause then its not a contest.


Actually the prize pot is donated by multiple people, which includes but is not limited to, Vintrict.

I have no problem with Vintrict - or any tournament organizer - selecting judges. That's not what I said, at any point, nor did anyone else say it. The issue lies with the capacity for a person to make an informed choice about those judges once they're chosen. And they can't do that without transparency.. ergo, it's required.

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Your opinion about the judges, and the way they score generally is meaningless. Especially when three separate individuals agree on the issue and you dont.


Which.. I never mentioned in my post? I said that people are entitled to have the requisite knowledge to make informed opinions, and that some degree of accountability to the participants is required, which requires a degree of transparency so that if a mistake is made, said participants can actually make an issue of it.


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If you dont like a judges call you can choose not accept it and leave, if the judges all agree especially on the point then your screwed.


People always have that right, but they also have the right to argue if they feel that a judge is wrong.. just like the judge ultimately has the last word on the matter. This has nothing to do with transparency or accountability though, so it's kind of moot.

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Honestly watching sigil and molestia continually pester the judges to manipulate the fight ha been sorta frustrating, as its not why I came here. But realistically its one way as a player to give your character an edge they might not have otherwise.


I both agree and disagree, to an extent. I've always been the kind of player who will let most stuff just "roll off" and I'll go with it - I think other people need to do that sometimes. But at the same time, when an error is egregious, people ought to be able to step up and go "Okay, look, somebody ******** up here."

If no one ever gets criticized or the mistakes are allowed to go on without correction then no one improves.

I just removed some parts of your posts because there wasn't really any context for them in the back-and-forth of our discussion.

KB: By "citizen army", I mean an army that isn't given special privileges. What I mean by that is, that a member of the army is functionally the same as a citizen, except that they are in the armed forces and have certain duties and functions.

The other option is mercenaries - loyalty to money - or when the military becomes a class below the aristocracy/command cadre, but above everybody else. See: Pol Pot in Cambodia, being in his army gave you more food, more rights, more freedom, and that ensured loyalty to some degree. That's the difference between a true citizen army.. and an army loyal to a strong arm or charismatic leader.

I agree that sometimes people need to listen to authority and respect it, but I also believe that the only way you can be respected as an authority figure is to prove that you're a worthwhile leader.. which can often mean being willing to accept questioning and criticism. It's not a black or white thing, you can't go without being questioned and you can't allow people to ignore your authority.
PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:50 pm


Legion_of_Nazareth
@Grim, those are entirely separate issues, however I agree with both points.

@ KB thats a terrible example, those people are smoking anyway and cant be bothered enough to protest....


I don't even follow what you're talking about anymore, both on this and judge transparency. You seem to be going in circles but I'm not even paying that much attention.

That aside, I did say "lazy parents = stupid kids", not lazy = stupid. Lazy parents end up raising stupid kids because they don't do much... parenting.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:51 pm


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Gettin heavy in here, peace.
PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:52 pm


Or perhaps I am simply upset when I am ruled against in a matter that should have gone in my favor based on what had already been accepted. Instead, it was retroactively thrown back in my face with a 'deal with it' sign.

And there's no reason for FotS or anyone else to be getting fresh with me about it, or the fact that I was asking why some random person claims to suddenly be the third judge when there was no official mention of it.

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Knight Breaker

PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:53 pm


Tresondros Ecstuffuan
but...

Wait...

Why did you use that particular example? There isn't, as far as I know (and feel free to enlighten me), reason for us not to be able to harvest and smoke marijuana.


Well I live in Canada, where smoking is systematically being made harder and harder in general. To the point where by design if you want to smoke its usually out in the cold rain somewhere. Adding another thing to smoke to the list of legal stuff would be counterproductive. Marijuana is also a narcotic so there's that.
PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:54 pm


Heavy, you say?

Sounds like it's time to do some lifting.

cool

The Thunder Tyrant


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:54 pm


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:57 pm


The Thunder Tyrant


Ah, that makes more sense then. I only said what I said because as far as I know virtually every country in the world has a system where the federal government can overrule or temporarily suspend the rights of the people. Even in Canada, which is pretty liberal, we have sections in our constitution that empower the government to override a large section of the rights & freedoms.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:00 pm


King Bug


Well I live in Canada, where smoking is systematically being made harder and harder in general. To the point where by design if you want to smoke its usually out in the cold rain somewhere. Adding another thing to smoke to the list of legal stuff would be counterproductive. Marijuana is also a narcotic so there's that.


So wait....

Your saying that we ought to continue to fund an illegal drug trade that funds things like terrorism, drug cartels, and people being in jail who shouldn't be...

Because you can't smoke weed outside of your own home in public places?

Who smokes weed outside of their own home or the homes of those whom they are smoking with?

Marijuana when used in moderation less harmful than alcohol and sure as hell has caused a lot less death. So it being a narcotic is irrelevant. Its not addictive. Its not a so called 'gateway drug'. There are valid medical uses.

I'm just not seeing your point Keebs.
PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:05 pm


Tresondros Ecstuffuan
So wait....

Your saying that we ought to continue to fund an illegal drug trade that funds things like terrorism, drug cartels, and people being in jail who shouldn't be...

Because you can't smoke weed outside of your own home in public places?

Who smokes weed outside of their own home or the homes of those whom they are smoking with?

Marijuana when used in moderation less harmful than alcohol and sure as hell has caused a lot less death. So it being a narcotic is irrelevant. Its not addictive. Its not a so called 'gateway drug'. There are valid medical uses.

I'm just not seeing your point Keebs.


Well, every illegal trade is made more lucrative by the existence of laws. That doesn't mean you just legalize everything. It means you stop pussyfooting around and enforce the law as strictly as possible.

Someone lights up a joint? You shoot him in the face. Another person does? You shoot her in the face. Third person does? Well I sincerely doubt they will, but on the off chance they do, there's always another bullet. Eventually people either start agreeing with you or you run out of people disagreeing with you.

Knight Breaker


The Thunder Tyrant

PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:08 pm


Gotta go Judge Dredd.

JAY-WALKING?

THAT'S SIX MONTHS, SCUM.

I AM THE LAW.
PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:10 pm


And no walks were jayed.

Knight Breaker


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Prophet

PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:12 pm


SIX MONTHS IN THE ISO CUBE
PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:13 pm


King Bug


Well, every illegal trade is made more lucrative by the existence of laws. That doesn't mean you just legalize everything. It means you stop pussyfooting around and enforce the law as strictly as possible.

Someone lights up a joint? You shoot him in the face. Another person does? You shoot her in the face. Third person does? Well I sincerely doubt they will, but on the off chance they do, there's always another bullet. Eventually people either start agreeing with you or you run out of people disagreeing with you.


The central point is, is that there is no reason for it to be illegal.

The only reason it is illegal is because the pharmaceutical companies and paper companies throw money at politicians via lobbying to keep it illegal.

It literally hurts the population by keeping it illegal.

Crack Cocaine. There is a valid reason for it to be illegal.
Methanphetamine. There is a valid reason for it to be illegal.

Marijuana...There is no reason for it to be illegal other than that if it was legal, somebody loses money.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:14 pm


I will never understand people's attachment to weed... but whatever.
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