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Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 12:04 pm
In Medias Res IV Captain_Shinzo brainnsoup gohst13 Captain_Shinzo gohst13 To the person who asked me to show the quote look up Leviticus 18 unlawful sexual relations It's aginsed insest and gay/lesbian relationships. I think he asked to SHOW and not look up. Besides, I already saw the unclean comment you posted and it didn't really prove your point or prove why homosexuals couldn't marry. Alright then lets forget the bible for a minute and let me ask you something. Why is it that gays can't marry? Why is it such a big deal if a gay couple wants to get married? Inerracial couples can get married, so why not add same sex couples to do it to? Why is it if i want to marry my ex-girlfriend I have to travel half way across the U.S. to get to the closest of the six states that allows same sex marriage? It has only part to do with the bible says anymore, it has everything to do with how interperite it now stare No matter what the bible says, it should have nothing to do with what laws are passed. My point exactly.And that doesn't change the fact that the Bible doesn't prohibit homosexuality in any way. I wish people were forced to take Hebrew and Greek classes if they wanted to be Christian. Oh, and history and context classes. Atleast she DID try to not use the Bible, even though she involved it, but only demonstrated how the US has a Theocracy problem.
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Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 5:22 pm
Julri Emperor Angelo XXV Artto Emperor Angelo XXV To me, it's a bit deeper than what you said. A lot of people nowadays tend to confuse love with lust, hence the choices aren't too easy for them to even see, let alone choose. That doesn't have much to do with homosexuality. It's just as relevant to homosexuality as it is to hypersexuality.I don't understand what point you're trying to make. What do lust and hypersexuality have to do with the topic? It's rather simple. Since we are in a hypersexualized society, people's ideas of love and lust are rather blurred, hence people becoming gay rather easily.
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Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 6:59 pm
Emperor Angelo XXV Julri Emperor Angelo XXV Artto Emperor Angelo XXV To me, it's a bit deeper than what you said. A lot of people nowadays tend to confuse love with lust, hence the choices aren't too easy for them to even see, let alone choose. That doesn't have much to do with homosexuality. It's just as relevant to homosexuality as it is to hypersexuality.I don't understand what point you're trying to make. What do lust and hypersexuality have to do with the topic? It's rather simple. Since we are in a hypersexualized society, people's ideas of love and lust are rather blurred, hence people becoming gay rather easily. Or the culture being more accepting towards homosexuality has made it easier for gay people to come out of the closet without fear of being persecuted.
Seriously, if love is nothing more than a perspective and homosexuality is wrong, then how do you know that your love is right?
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Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 7:05 pm
brainnsoup Emperor Angelo XXV Julri Emperor Angelo XXV Artto Emperor Angelo XXV To me, it's a bit deeper than what you said. A lot of people nowadays tend to confuse love with lust, hence the choices aren't too easy for them to even see, let alone choose. That doesn't have much to do with homosexuality. It's just as relevant to homosexuality as it is to hypersexuality.I don't understand what point you're trying to make. What do lust and hypersexuality have to do with the topic? It's rather simple. Since we are in a hypersexualized society, people's ideas of love and lust are rather blurred, hence people becoming gay rather easily. Or the culture being more accepting towards homosexuality has made it easier for gay people to come out of the closet without fear of being persecuted.
Seriously, if love is nothing more than a perspective and homosexuality is wrong, then how do you know that your love is right? Love, is more than a simple perspective.
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Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 7:09 pm
Emperor Angelo XXV brainnsoup Emperor Angelo XXV Julri Emperor Angelo XXV It's just as relevant to homosexuality as it is to hypersexuality. I don't understand what point you're trying to make. What do lust and hypersexuality have to do with the topic? It's rather simple. Since we are in a hypersexualized society, people's ideas of love and lust are rather blurred, hence people becoming gay rather easily. Or the culture being more accepting towards homosexuality has made it easier for gay people to come out of the closet without fear of being persecuted.
Seriously, if love is nothing more than a perspective and homosexuality is wrong, then how do you know that your love is right? Love, is more than a simple perspective. Who is one to say that all of our culture is based upon lust instead of love? Infact, what is love without lust?
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Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 7:11 pm
Emperor Angelo XXV Julri Emperor Angelo XXV Artto Emperor Angelo XXV To me, it's a bit deeper than what you said. A lot of people nowadays tend to confuse love with lust, hence the choices aren't too easy for them to even see, let alone choose. That doesn't have much to do with homosexuality. It's just as relevant to homosexuality as it is to hypersexuality.I don't understand what point you're trying to make. What do lust and hypersexuality have to do with the topic? It's rather simple. Since we are in a hypersexualized society, people's ideas of love and lust are rather blurred, hence people becoming gay rather easily.Love and lust being blurred doesn't mean people are becoming gay more easily assuming it correlates at all to the make-up of ones sexuality. They however may be more willing to act on sexual urges since it's a bit more culturally acceptable and ones sexuality is bit less stigmatized.
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Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 7:15 pm
Captain_Shinzo Emperor Angelo XXV brainnsoup Emperor Angelo XXV Julri Emperor Angelo XXV It's just as relevant to homosexuality as it is to hypersexuality. I don't understand what point you're trying to make. What do lust and hypersexuality have to do with the topic? It's rather simple. Since we are in a hypersexualized society, people's ideas of love and lust are rather blurred, hence people becoming gay rather easily. Or the culture being more accepting towards homosexuality has made it easier for gay people to come out of the closet without fear of being persecuted.
Seriously, if love is nothing more than a perspective and homosexuality is wrong, then how do you know that your love is right? Love, is more than a simple perspective. Who is one to say that all of our culture is based upon lust instead of love? Infact, what is love without lust? More capable and pure.
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Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 8:09 pm
Semiremis Captain_Shinzo Emperor Angelo XXV brainnsoup Emperor Angelo XXV It's rather simple. Since we are in a hypersexualized society, people's ideas of love and lust are rather blurred, hence people becoming gay rather easily. Or the culture being more accepting towards homosexuality has made it easier for gay people to come out of the closet without fear of being persecuted.
Seriously, if love is nothing more than a perspective and homosexuality is wrong, then how do you know that your love is right? Love, is more than a simple perspective. Who is one to say that all of our culture is based upon lust instead of love? Infact, what is love without lust? More capable and pure. But let's not forget the other topic in the guild on what, exactly, lust is. Isn't lust a strong attraction for something, or in this case, someone? If so, why can't lust lead to love?
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Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 8:11 pm
Captain_Shinzo Semiremis Captain_Shinzo Emperor Angelo XXV brainnsoup Emperor Angelo XXV It's rather simple. Since we are in a hypersexualized society, people's ideas of love and lust are rather blurred, hence people becoming gay rather easily. Or the culture being more accepting towards homosexuality has made it easier for gay people to come out of the closet without fear of being persecuted.
Seriously, if love is nothing more than a perspective and homosexuality is wrong, then how do you know that your love is right? Love, is more than a simple perspective. Who is one to say that all of our culture is based upon lust instead of love? Infact, what is love without lust? More capable and pure. But let's not forget the other topic in the guild on what, exactly, lust is. Isn't lust a strong attraction for something, or in this case, someone? If so, why can't lust lead to love?Lust is short-term, love is not.
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Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 8:36 pm
Emperor Angelo XXV Captain_Shinzo Semiremis Captain_Shinzo Emperor Angelo XXV Love, is more than a simple perspective. Who is one to say that all of our culture is based upon lust instead of love? Infact, what is love without lust? More capable and pure. But let's not forget the other topic in the guild on what, exactly, lust is. Isn't lust a strong attraction for something, or in this case, someone? If so, why can't lust lead to love?Lust is short-term, love is not. But what if lust leads to love then? It may be short term but it evolves. Not to mention I never heard that lust was short term.
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Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 8:53 pm
xxEternallyBluexx Why not? How do you know for sure it doesn't work that way? So you think it's impossible for someone who's homosexual to turn straight? What evidence do you have for this conclusion? Yes, it is completely impossible for someone who is gay to turn straight. The American Psychological Association came out with a 138 page report fairly recently which showed that there is no evidence suggesting that it is in any way possible for homosexuals to change their orientation. In fact, they found a great deal of evidence showing that attempting to do so is actually very harmful for gay people; the gay people who they studied who tried to change their orientation suffered from incredible depression and anxiety. When gay people try to will themselves into becoming straight, it just doesn't work. It's impossible to do and it's stupid ideas like the one that gay people can change that makes gays so much more likely to become depressed or suicidal. You may not think about it that way, but all of this hateful "gays can change" speech is literally harmful to gay people. If everyone would just accept gay people for who they are, then gay teens wouldn't be become as depressed as they do. A 1997 study showed that of the high schoolers who attempted suicide that year, 40 percent of them were gay, which is an awful lot considering that gay people only make up 3 percent of the population. And I completely blame stupid, hateful homophobes who claim that these kids can change and that they just aren't trying hard enough.
I can also speak about this from personal experience. I am a lesbian, I've always been a lesbian, even when I was little it was obvious. Nobody told me to be one and I never knew any other gay people to encourage me to be one. I just am. And since I was raised a conservative Christian and was always told that it's wrong to be gay, I tried to change. I prayed constantly, begging God to help me change. And when that didn't work, I sank into an awful depression and became next to suicidal. And looking back, it wasn't really that I was depressed about being gay; it was all of those assholes who told me that I was wrong and that I could change that made me depressed. When I finally started making friends with people who accepted me for who I was, I stopped being so depressed and I started thinking about who I am rationally. It was only when I accepted that being gay was just how God made me that I actually learned how to be happy for the first time in my life. And please don't suggest that I just didn't try hard enough not to be gay and that I would be happier if I somehow changed; you have no idea how hard I tried and if I had kept on trying I probably would have killed myself a long time ago.
And I know you're thinking "but there are people who used to be gay who are straight now." Well, there aren't. Maybe they call themselves straight and they have spouses of the opposite gender now, but just because you change what you do doesn't mean that you can change what you are. That's like saying that a short person who wears high heels is actually tall; it just doesn't make any sense. I've met people before who've claimed to be ex-gays and maybe I just have a hightened sense of gaydar, but if I'd never met these people and knew nothing about them, I would just assume they were gay. Because the fact of the matter is, you can fake it and go through the motions, but you can never change you you truly are. All articles I've read before by ex-ex-gays talk about how they could pretend that they were straight, but they could never actually change who they are. And I can't think of anything more depressing than living a lie, and that's exactly what "ex-gays" are doing.
Anyway, if you want anymore evidence than psychological studies and personal experience, then I just can't help you. If you are at all an open minded or rational person, then I'm sure you can see that whether or not it's morally acceptable to be in a gay relationship, being gay itself is not a choice and not something that can be changed. xxEternallyBluexx And why would it be sad for someone homosexual to want to be straight? What if they wanted to do it because they were in love with someone straight, but not attracted to them, or because their sexuality issues were seriously messing with them, or even with their family? If it bothers some homosexuals so much, and from what I've read it seems to, then I think if the option were available they shouldn't be forced to live as differently. I also think we should look to give them the option, because just like there's plastic surgery for those who really need it, there's probably homosexuals who would give a lot to not to be (for various reasons). It's sad because I think it's healthier to just accept who you naturally are than to want to be something you're not. Imagine a teenage girl who eats healthfully and exercises but feels she's overweight. Now, either she can obsess over her weight, dieting to an extreme, over exercising, and even getting surgery. Or she can just accept that her normal body weight is more than other girls. From a psychological point of view, it just seems healthier for her to be happy with who she naturally is than to go against nature to make herself thin. It's the same with being gay; even if gay people could change, that doesn't mean they should. Just like how there's nothing wrong with weighing more than average so long as you're healthy, there's nothing wrong with being gay so long as it's who you naturally are. And in both cases, even if the teenage girl can lose weight and the gay person can become straight, they aren't the ones that should change; society should change. Once society starts looking at issue like weight or homosexuality or whatever rationally, people won't feel like they need to change and they can finally start to accept who they are and be happy about themselves. Anyway, if there was a way for gays be to become straight and they chose to take it, then fine, it's a free country, go ahead, just like how my hypothetical teenage girl has the right to obsessively become thing. It's just that I wouldn't advise it and I would never under any circumstance do it myself. I hope that made sense...
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Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 9:00 pm
Emperor Angelo XXV Julri Emperor Angelo XXV Artto Emperor Angelo XXV To me, it's a bit deeper than what you said. A lot of people nowadays tend to confuse love with lust, hence the choices aren't too easy for them to even see, let alone choose. That doesn't have much to do with homosexuality. It's just as relevant to homosexuality as it is to hypersexuality.I don't understand what point you're trying to make. What do lust and hypersexuality have to do with the topic? It's rather simple. Since we are in a hypersexualized society, people's ideas of love and lust are rather blurred, hence people becoming gay rather easily.That doesn't make any sense. People don't "become gay," they just are. Even in countries and time periods that were decidedly repressed and non-sexual, there were still gay people. Living in a hypersexualized society may encourage people -gay and straight- to be more open in their sexuality, but it's not what makes them gay or straight to begin with.
Besides, what makes you think that gay couple are just in lust rather than in love?
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Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 9:56 pm
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Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 10:21 pm
Emperor Angelo XXV Captain_Shinzo Semiremis Captain_Shinzo Emperor Angelo XXV Love, is more than a simple perspective. Who is one to say that all of our culture is based upon lust instead of love? Infact, what is love without lust? More capable and pure. But let's not forget the other topic in the guild on what, exactly, lust is. Isn't lust a strong attraction for something, or in this case, someone? If so, why can't lust lead to love?Lust is short-term, love is not. One of my godparents is gay. He was in a relationship with a man since I was still in elementary school. Things ended badly about two years ago, and he's still really in love with him. Point being, homosexual relationships are based on more than just lust. Any relationship built on just lust is bad and bound to fail. Of course, we let people who only lust after each other marry, as long as they are a couple of one man and one woman...
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Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 12:08 am
Captain_Shinzo Emperor Angelo XXV Captain_Shinzo Semiremis Captain_Shinzo Emperor Angelo XXV Love, is more than a simple perspective. Who is one to say that all of our culture is based upon lust instead of love? Infact, what is love without lust? More capable and pure. But let's not forget the other topic in the guild on what, exactly, lust is. Isn't lust a strong attraction for something, or in this case, someone? If so, why can't lust lead to love?Lust is short-term, love is not. But what if lust leads to love then? It may be short term but it evolves. Not to mention I never heard that lust was short term.they are different mechanics. Lust is selfish- You want it for YOU. Love is giving. they are almost opposites.
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