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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 11:37 am
Mathematical music theory is ridiculous. Very muchly so. Example
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:23 pm
Layra-chan Mathematical music theory is ridiculous. Very muchly so. ExampleI remember my first exposure to the Escher-Staircase and Hallucination Relations. It took me five minutes just to get past the names. I have to wonder how laymen would ever take mathematicians' seriously.
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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 9:14 am
zz1000zz Layra-chan Mathematical music theory is ridiculous. Very muchly so. ExampleI remember my first exposure to the Escher-Staircase and Hallucination Relations. It took me five minutes just to get past the names. I have to wonder how laymen would ever take mathematicians' seriously. Answer: They don't. I'm surprised mathematicians take mathematicians seriously. I mean, c'mon...have you ever heard of "perverse sheaves"?
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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:11 pm
Swordmaster Dragon zz1000zz Layra-chan Mathematical music theory is ridiculous. Very muchly so. ExampleI remember my first exposure to the Escher-Staircase and Hallucination Relations. It took me five minutes just to get past the names. I have to wonder how laymen would ever take mathematicians' seriously. Answer: They don't. I'm surprised mathematicians take mathematicians seriously. I mean, c'mon...have you ever heard of "perverse sheaves"? Pair of pants
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 6:24 am
Also ridiculous. I don't think mathematicians *actually* take themselves seriously. They just sound like they do.
Come to think of it, sometimes they don't even sound like it. Conway's "The Sensual (Quadratic) Form" is freaking hilarious.
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 6:53 pm
Considering that there exists a branch of mathematics known as "abstract nonsense", as a counterpoint to handwaving,...
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Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 10:12 pm
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 12:32 pm
So in my developmental psychology class, we're learning about how although toddlers know how to go "one, two, three, four," etc, they are terrible at actually figuring out the sizes of sets of objects. And by terrible I mean you ask for two things, they give you seven, and then despite having them count the number, they don't realize that they haven't given you only two things, but rather seven things, and that adding more doesn't get them any closer to two.
But all the while, I'm wondering about what is actually happening here. Why, despite them being able to count out the seven objects, do they not realize that they've given not two objects? How are they able to count to seven but not count out seven things? Then I start wondering about the psychologists, because the inability of the child actually somewhat makes sense to me. It's evolutionarily stupid, but there is a difference between cardinal and ordinal, and apparently ordinal is easier for the child. They can list out iterations of the successor function, but judging cardinality is a different task.
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 6:39 pm
I don't know if that problem is entirely mathematical, Layra. The bigger issue, I think, is relating counting and numbers to what's actually happening. When they are asked to hand you a certain number of things, they hand you several of the object. When you express displeasure, they just do what they think will have a positive effect (more is better). I've had this problem in tutoring younger children, or people with learning disabilities; they're so quick to try the guess-and-check method, partly because of a lack of self-reflection and self-realization. I'd imagine that's certainly true in younger children.
For those who've tutored or taught before, I'm talking about the "blank stare": Tutor: No, that's not quite right. What was your thinking? Student: ...I don't know? T: So, try it again, and think it through. Start at the beginning. What is the problem asking? S: ...Is the answer 7 m/s? T: Does that make sense? What does the problem ask for? S: ...Is it 8? T: The problem's asking for an acceleration. You don't even have the right units, or the right equation to apply. S: ... ... ... ... 9? T: ::headdesk::
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 2:42 pm
I would have thought it would be the "more is better" idea too, except they don't always add; sometimes they subtract even if they've given you too few. It's entirely probabilistic; if you do the trials many, many times and then average them, the averages are actually very close to the numbers asked for, but the standard deviations grow with the number of objects asked for. The explanation given in class for that is that our innate sense of cardinality is based on approximations, and that only as the brain develops do we tightly associate cardinality with ordinals.
One would think that it might simply be an executive function problem, their calculator processes not doing what their goal-direction processes tell them to, but it's not that they don't know cardinals at all; they know one and two object sets almost from birth, and they learn three, then four, and then five over the course of the first few years of life; but it's not until they learn five as a cardinal that they come to associate larger cardinals with the corresponding ordinals and learn to correct in the right direction if they don't give the right number of objects the first time.
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Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 11:03 pm
I put a lithium battery in my pocket today... forgetting that I had a bunch of change in there as well.
Ouch
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Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 2:09 pm
Morberticus I put a lithium battery in my pocket today... forgetting that I had a bunch of change in there as well. Ouch Yeah, one of my friends did that with a nine-volt and a quarter. That led to the phrase "Move over, your pants are too hot." Also a lot of screaming, but he does that anyway.
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 8:17 pm
Has anyone ever made a logic tree of mathematics? A list of hypotheses, a catalogue of proofs, references to all lemmas and hypotheses used, all put together in a linked list of some sort. Then, one would know not only why certain theorems are true and all of the work that really goes into them, but we could also have graphical displays of mathematics. Huge, ornate data representation structures that show the multitude of interconnections. A living web of mathematica.
New years' resolution, anyone?
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 12:05 pm
I don't know about mathematics, but I saw a similar type of tree mapped out for the various fields in science. It was a great piece of art and I wish I could find it again.
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 12:59 pm
It'd be a good chunk of a life's work. It would also look very strange, as each link would also be a node in itself, because proof of applicability is just as important as the application itself.
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