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 Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 4:28 pm
I'd like to think that I fell more along the lines of "steam" in the Victorian-era and think proper noun should have -oscope or -ometer at the end of it.
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Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 8:05 pm
With my take on steampunk, I view the "steam vs. punk" as steam technology over the fashion, lifestyle, and culture, in which case I'm more of the "punk" view since I can't quite get my head around the inner workings of machines.
I can change a car battery/tire and it's oil, and that's about all I do. Though that's more than what some girls can do anyway...
Instead, I love the fashion, and if I was brave enough (and had what I needed to make an outfit) I would wear it to school on days besides Halloween. I'd even put up with the foofy skirts and dresses and all those damning layers they had to wear as long as it had a steamy twist.
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Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 4:33 pm
For me, it's a day by day thing, but it tends to be more modern or "punk" most of the time. This is mostly because I don't have that much stuff so far, but also cause I mix in a lot of items and eras.
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Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:56 pm
First off, steampunk was an arbitrary designation based off of the idea of cyberpunk, which was something that held more of a philosophical meaning actually using punk ideology....class wars, dystopian/utopian futures(the latter coming with emotional suppression and the like in most cases), and primarily the concern of robots as humans, as entities of synthetic flesh(not so much literally). Steampunk seems to have been meant more as a technological alternate reality.
That said, I'd say I'm more punk than steam. Me being me, I've been punk since I was in my mid teens, come from a lower middle class household, and have great difficulty getting a job. I see that the class war is still very much alive and thriving, and that most people seem entirely oblivious to the fact or simply ignore it.
I also consider my steampunk alter-ego to be largely based off of my IRL personage, with the simple addition that my alter-ego does what I would be doing 100 years ago: working as a mercenary soldier. my ideologies, philosophies, and the like transmit to that other character, and will be incorporated into the costume I plan to make for cons, as well as adding a wee bit of mad science meets 19th century mysticism meets pagan knowledge(not a big stretch if you know me).
Philosophically I'm much more of a brute than a gentleman, though there are gentlemanly aspects to me, tempered with a large amount of cynicism and repressed aggression.
I tend to veer away from steam power in my designs for the simple reason that it happens to be very very bulky, though I have recently halted an almost complete design for a steam powered grappling hook cannon(meant to be mounted to an airship deck, or wielded by a very strong person) due to issues with my computer(peice of crap that it is).
I do however very much like the fashion of the victorian era, or at least certain aspects of it, and I am a fan of the tech of the time as well(functional AND nice to look at), not to mention that pipes and gears have always been a fascination of mine since I was a kid. I took apart half of my grandfaher's desk clock to see how it worked when I was a little one and got a stern talking to...
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Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 12:53 pm
Draco Vampir First off, steampunk was an arbitrary designation based off of the idea of cyberpunk, which was something that held more of a philosophical meaning actually using punk ideology....class wars, dystopian/utopian futures(the latter coming with emotional suppression and the like in most cases), and primarily the concern of robots as humans, as entities of synthetic flesh(not so much literally). Steampunk seems to have been meant more as a technological alternate reality. That said, I'd say I'm more punk than steam. Me being me, I've been punk since I was in my mid teens, come from a lower middle class household, and have great difficulty getting a job. I see that the class war is still very much alive and thriving, and that most people seem entirely oblivious to the fact or simply ignore it. I also consider my steampunk alter-ego to be largely based off of my IRL personage, with the simple addition that my alter-ego does what I would be doing 100 years ago: working as a mercenary soldier. my ideologies, philosophies, and the like transmit to that other character, and will be incorporated into the costume I plan to make for cons, as well as adding a wee bit of mad science meets 19th century mysticism meets pagan knowledge(not a big stretch if you know me). Philosophically I'm much more of a brute than a gentleman, though there are gentlemanly aspects to me, tempered with a large amount of cynicism and repressed aggression. I tend to veer away from steam power in my designs for the simple reason that it happens to be very very bulky, though I have recently halted an almost complete design for a steam powered grappling hook cannon(meant to be mounted to an airship deck, or wielded by a very strong person) due to issues with my computer(peice of crap that it is). I do however very much like the fashion of the victorian era, or at least certain aspects of it, and I am a fan of the tech of the time as well(functional AND nice to look at), not to mention that pipes and gears have always been a fascination of mine since I was a kid. I took apart half of my grandfaher's desk clock to see how it worked when I was a little one and got a stern talking to...  Everybody! Love! and Peace!
Good luck fighting the class war! I'm young and angry too! And as a student, quite poor, but not nearly so much as others. But yes, there is much to complain about in this brave new world of ours, where decisions about our futures are made out of our hands by... *ramble ramble ramble*
It's quite strange because, while cyberpunk has quite a philosophical backdrop, from my experiences of people who are in the whole cyber culture, they're really very superficial and live for the weekend! So much for rattling against the ghost in the machine!
Booyaka!---------------● ● ●
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Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 4:11 am
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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 7:52 pm
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:44 pm
Hmm. I guess that I agree much more with modern ideals, but when it comes to steampunk clothing, I like the Victorian elements more than the punk elements.
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 11:47 am
I suppose I would have to say, as far as my style concerning the Steampunk genre goes, that I'm more "steam" than "punk".
I would never cut my hair in a rebellious fashion, or dye it at all. As far as Steampunk fashion goes, I would dress in Victorian style clothing. I prefer the mannerisms and the simple...well...class that the Victorian age contained. Chivalry, charm, wit...the things people today have failed to uphold.
Technology, through steam, would be as stable as it is reasonable. Thus, the more complicated the technology, the more problems it is likely to have.
That's just my interpretation. My own style, I suppose.
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Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 4:36 am
Brisingr Wyrda im more steam then punk, only punkish about me is prop some taste in punk music. i like steam tec.
same
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Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:22 pm
I prefer the idea of steam, with a but of punk, probably because im particularly interested in the victorian times mixed with sci-fi. But for those more interested in the punk side there is dieselpunk, though it isn't as well known as steampunk, it might be more appealing to those who prefer the punk in steampunk.
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Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 11:33 am
I'm interested in what people feel the 'punk' in steampunk really is. Is it to do with the DIY nature? Or is it something more political? If so, how?
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Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 6:59 am
I am all kinds of punk. Really, I love the idea of Steampunk, but I also love desertpunk, cyberpunk, atompunk... solarpunk... (I haven't really found a community for that one, but it exists pretty substantially in my mind) Really its just about reto/alt-uni sci-fi and shenanigans for me. (I don't like dieselpunk as much, but a lot of that genera seems to mesh in with desertpunk, which is one of my favorites, so w/e) And yeah, I've dyed my hair all kinds of colors and I have seven piercings, but I have never specifically related any of the above with modern, or even early punk. And as for the general sentiment about the subculture, I'd like to say that not all punks are nihilists or anarchists, they just get the most attention. A lot of the people that I know are very creative, energetic and dissatisfied, but not particularly destructive or disrespectful. Oli King Technology, through steam, would be as stable as it is reasonable. Thus, the more complicated the technology, the more problems it is likely to have. The only problem with this is that you have to heat the water somehow to create steam. Usually they did that with coal, which is NOT sustainable, and harmful to the environment in all kinds of ways. As far as I'm concerned, its not stable at all, unless you introduce a new heating element.
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Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 12:04 pm
Annie Anthrax I'm interested in what people feel the 'punk' in steampunk really is. Is it to do with the DIY nature? Or is it something more political? If so, how? It's both. We're anti-consumerists, we make our own clothes or buy them from individuals or salvage them. We don't like the disposable culture of the modern age, we want to imagine machines as something to be FIXED not thrown out and replaced. That's why they're always tarnished and damaged in our fiction/art. How many of us romanticize the industrial revolution? I hope none. Ever read Steampunk Magazine? wink
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 11:48 pm
Maggoty Anne Annie Anthrax I'm interested in what people feel the 'punk' in steampunk really is. Is it to do with the DIY nature? Or is it something more political? If so, how? It's both. We're anti-consumerists, we make our own clothes or buy them from individuals or salvage them. We don't like the disposable culture of the modern age, we want to imagine machines as something to be FIXED not thrown out and replaced. That's why they're always tarnished and damaged in our fiction/art. How many of us romanticize the industrial revolution? I hope none. Interesting argument. but let me play devil's advocate- I'm not scholding you, i'm just saying there's two sides to this coin. whitecastle and starbucks- and the whole rise of capitalism for that matter (ugh) is a small price to pay for the improvement in medicine, transportation, conveniences, ease of production and the generally quality of life that's availibule to us all today. As cool as it would be to travel around by carrage and wear frock coats everyday would you, really, condem humanity to not progress beyond the 2nd industrail revolution? stop everything, it's 1830? Really? Are you a woman? Single? Married? How old are you? what's your income? are you diabetic? athesmatic? transgender? homosexual? dissabled? on wellfare? have serrious issues with religion? a conciencious objector to war? okay- now let's put that in context to say... 180 years ago. how do you like your rights/chance of survival now? What social changes happened at the turn of the century? how dose technoligy (and the progression thereof) effect social change? There's a ton to think about. So what if people got lazy and let machines do the work- "mass production." do you like your car? how much more do you think that would of cost if it was built by hand? could you or your friends afford one? i donno about you, but there goes my saturday evening plans razz What I think you're really asking here is "where did all the creative people go?" that's something you just have to look into yourself and out to other people for. it takes work, but isn't it that much more rewarding when you find it or do it? so, you find the world boring and even a little gross. so what, everybody dose. who's fault is that? what can you do to change that? Mundane is arbritrary and conformity is realitive. extravagance is expensive but contentment is priceless. PS my "steampunk" is on the workbench.
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