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 Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 2:24 pm
Pro-Choice
I don't believe in this its a living thing stuff. You can't really tell if its living till much later in a woman pregnancy. Plus if the mother wants an abortion, its her choice to get one or not. Would you want to be a victum of rape then give birth to a child, and whenever you look at the child you re-live the rape? its not fair to the child or the mother
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 9:37 pm
Pro-Choice.
If the woman wants to kill a fetus instead of putting it for adoption when it's born, it's not my problem. :/
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 8:39 am
Xyloid As far as the suicide thing, that is in the case of TEENAGERS. They are already emotional basketcases to begin with, without the added bonus of being a ******** and not wrapping it. Now, I know I'm being harsh right at that moment, but if they can't handle having a child or aborting the child, they shouldn't be having sex to begin with. I'm cruel and rooted to the spot with this opinion.
I don't think you can say that about all teenagers. It's about the same as saying all black people are evil. Waaay to much of an overgeneralization. Just as many adults have unprotected sex and get pregnant and don't want it. Many guys probably don't like the feel of the "wrap" and don't use it. If they are having an affair they deffinately don't want the baby, cause they don't want to lose their wife. (I'm a teenager, so yeah I get a little deffensive about these things, we're not all irrisponsible hormonal basket cases.) Anyways. Think about it. Everybody who is pro-life (technically just anti-abortion, but I'm not getting into that) will be carrying on the race anyway, and everyone who is pro-choice can go on and be parisite removers. Either way if humans ever die out from non reproduction of the species my jaw will drop. It just isn't going to happen..Ever, the sun will explode and pig'll fly before that happens. Unless some sort of nuclear thing mutates us to where we can't reproduce or something crazy like that. You'll always have the religious nuts (no offense to anyone here) running around "don't kill it, don't do it" or "Forget the constitution, it only garentees the freedom of choice in almost all aspects of life." Or some crazy solgan like that. (And again no offense to anyone in here, but it is the truth) And Nor - I admire you for sticking to your views. Some people are pro-life until you give them a situation like rape. Although I completely disagree with you in every possible way. Also bringing up another point. Should men be able to vote on this issue? If it was to be a democratic thing, should men be able to vote? They'll never have to go through it, so why should they have a say? Like the new subforum.
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 4:40 pm
I am pro choice.
A woman can decide for herself if she wants to have a baby, if you take away abortions and she has the baby she didnt want, there is a pretty good chance she wont do as good a job taking care of them, thus a child is born into a bad situation.
People argue that the woman can have the baby and put it up for adoption, what about the nine months of pain? Sure, its easy for a guy to say "deal with it" but it isnt that easy.
Sometimes a baby kills the mother, shouldnt that allow abortions?
What about rape? If a woman is raped she shouldnt have to live with the constant reminder, which is exactly what that baby would be.
Now, I dont feel that it should be used as birth control, but people do make mistakes and having a baby could easily destroy your life if you arent ready.
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 4:45 pm
AmErIcAnSyKo AmErIcAnSyKo Um.. When a woman goes through her menstral cycle, she's disposing of (killing) an innocent (potential) life..
A fetus, I consider to be the same thing. Potential life.
Scientifically, there are different levels of "aliveness" (for lack of a better word..). A plant is alive.. But not as alive as a monkey.
I consider a fetus to be in the plant area.. No conscience.. No feeling.. Not aware.
So if you think killing fetuses is wrong, then think of all those poor innocent blades of grass you cut in half every time you mow your lawn. You damn heartless bastards. D:<
neutral neutral Read it, Xyloid. I want your thoughts on my analysis. I think Im in love with you. xDDD
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 1:08 am
Pro-life.
A high percent of women regret having an abortion.
I believe it is ethically wrong. Who are we to play God and kill a baby who was a product of carelessness?
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 1:21 am
AmErIcAnSyKo Um.. When a woman goes through her menstral cycle, she's disposing of (killing) an innocent (potential) life..
A fetus, I consider to be the same thing. Potential life.
Scientifically, there are different levels of "aliveness" (for lack of a better word..). A plant is alive.. But not as alive as a monkey.
I consider a fetus to be in the plant area.. No conscience.. No feeling.. Not aware.
So if you think killing fetuses is wrong, then think of all those poor innocent blades of grass you cut in half every time you mow your lawn. You damn heartless bastards. D:<
So mister how do you know that fetus' dont have concious, feeling, or awareness. Because I would really like to be linked because there has been no conclusive tests that have determined what you have claimed to be true. Btw, a fetus cant be compared to a blade of grass because a fetus continues to develope while a blade of grass remains a blade a grass.
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 1:29 am
Pro Choice.
I don't think this should EVER be abused though. So, I don't think it's right when some whore has been sleeping around with random guys and she fell pregant. There is such thing as birth control.
I believe it's right when the woman has been raped, that's not exactly fair. If she wasn't allowed to have an abortion, she would be stuck with the child for the rest of her life, and it's a constant reminder of her being raped.
Also when the fetus is badly deformed. How is that fair on the child when it's born? It might not survive long, it could be in constant pain, it's not fair on the parents either who have to look after it even more. The child could also be prone to bullying.
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 1:37 am
Duchess Dill Pro Choice. I don't think this should EVER be abused though. So, I don't think it's right when some whore has been sleeping around with random guys and she fell pregant. There is such thing as birth control. I believe it's right when the woman has been raped, that's not exactly fair. If she wasn't allowed to have an abortion, she would be stuck with the child for the rest of her life, and it's a constant reminder of her being raped. Also when the fetus is badly deformed. How is that fair on the child when it's born? It might not survive long, it could be in constant pain, it's not fair on the parents either who have to look after it even more. The child could also be prone to bullying. A fetus is developing so deformities wouldnt be a for sure thing. "Normal" kids are bullied, so thats a silly argument. However, rape is the only scenario in which abortion would be ok, depending on the circumstances.
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 8:30 am
Dangerous Muse Pro- life. A high percent of women regret having an abortion. I believe it is ethically wrong. Who are we to play God and kill a baby who was a product of carelessness? If you want to look at it that way. Who are you to make the desion for them? Thats more like playing god than letting them have a choice. God is supposed to support free will, not take it away.
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 8:36 am
Dangerous Muse Duchess Dill Pro Choice. I don't think this should EVER be abused though. So, I don't think it's right when some whore has been sleeping around with random guys and she fell pregant. There is such thing as birth control. I believe it's right when the woman has been raped, that's not exactly fair. If she wasn't allowed to have an abortion, she would be stuck with the child for the rest of her life, and it's a constant reminder of her being raped. Also when the fetus is badly deformed. How is that fair on the child when it's born? It might not survive long, it could be in constant pain, it's not fair on the parents either who have to look after it even more. The child could also be prone to bullying. A fetus is developing so deformities wouldnt be a for sure thing. "Normal" kids are bullied, so thats a silly argument. However, rape is the only scenario in which abortion would be ok, depending on the circumstances. You shouldn't be going around saying well you have to keep the baby unless you are raped or this or that. That isn't fair to those who have to keep the baby because you have a god complex. This baby can be killed because it is a result of rape but this baby was made during an affair so it has to be born. Of course that baby would grow up in a single parent family, but it isn't a rape baby so too bad. If you are pro-life you should be against abortion in all cases unless it results in more death.
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 8:40 am
Dangerous Muse AmErIcAnSyKo Um.. When a woman goes through her menstral cycle, she's disposing of (killing) an innocent (potential) life..
A fetus, I consider to be the same thing. Potential life.
Scientifically, there are different levels of "aliveness" (for lack of a better word..). A plant is alive.. But not as alive as a monkey.
I consider a fetus to be in the plant area.. No conscience.. No feeling.. Not aware.
So if you think killing fetuses is wrong, then think of all those poor innocent blades of grass you cut in half every time you mow your lawn. You damn heartless bastards. D:< So mister how do you know that fetus' dont have concious, feeling, or awareness. Because I would really like to be linked because there has been no conclusive tests that have determined what you have claimed to be true. Btw, a fetus cant be compared to a blade of grass because a fetus continues to develope while a blade of grass remains a blade a grass. That is what he considers them to be. Just as you consider them the same as a baby. There are no conclusive tests to say they don't. But most scientists argee that because the fetis is still developing that it can't feel the pain. That although it's pain receptors may be developed the baby can't feel it because it's brain can't process the information.
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 10:23 am
Dangerous Muse AmErIcAnSyKo Um.. When a woman goes through her menstral cycle, she's disposing of (killing) an innocent (potential) life..
A fetus, I consider to be the same thing. Potential life.
Scientifically, there are different levels of "aliveness" (for lack of a better word..). A plant is alive.. But not as alive as a monkey.
I consider a fetus to be in the plant area.. No conscience.. No feeling.. Not aware.
So if you think killing fetuses is wrong, then think of all those poor innocent blades of grass you cut in half every time you mow your lawn. You damn heartless bastards. D:<
So mister how do you know that fetus' dont have concious, feeling, or awareness. Because I would really like to be linked because there has been no conclusive tests that have determined what you have claimed to be true. Btw, a fetus cant be compared to a blade of grass because a fetus continues to develope while a blade of grass remains a blade a grass. Let me counter your "question" with another question, that will hopefully give you your answer: Do you remember being a fetus? Do you remember feeling anything when you were in your mothers stomach? Or even a year after that??
A new fetus has the chance to develope, but it is in fact, no different then a blade of grass when it comes to state of "mind".
neutral talk2hand
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 10:27 am
Dangerous Muse Pro- life. A high percent of women regret having an abortion. I believe it is ethically wrong. Who are we to play God and kill a baby who was a product of carelessness? So I take it you are against the cloning of organs to help save peoples lives? People who need kidney transplants and such?
Or against the development of other artificial body parts, like a pacemaker?
That's "playing God" too.. But you think it's wrong, so we should stop doing that, as well..
neutral talk2hand
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 8:00 pm
personally, i think people should not be given the choice on weather pr weather not to kill their unborn child, i think that women, and men, need to learn the consequences of their actions. there is now a law that requires both the mothers and fathers name on a birth certificate so that way the government will be able to collect child support and the man does not get the easy way out like they used to be able to. this is a good news for us girls, but still if we find ourselves bearing child and can not take care of the baby, there is always adoption. in a few cases though, i think that the girl should not have to go through the tortures of pregnancy though, like, if a woman turns up pregnant after being rapped, not only was it not her fault, she is caring part of the man that rapped her and a rapist is the childs father. in those few cases i think that a simple note to the court pleading your case is necessary to get permission to get an abortion, that should cost nothing to the woman, after all, why should she pay for being a victim of an inhuman crime? i think that a note to the court is a good idea because they have a 3rd person point of view and all and all, fair, and who better to decide how our money is spent then, our government!
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