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 Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 2:08 am
Baulder Eragon and Arya (remind you of any other human/elf duos?) -Bafoon, if there are so many human/elf duos, then why the hell are you complaining about this one only??? You might as well be flaming Lord of the Rings, and every other human/elf duo out there as well! And yet, you decide to pick out only Eragon as your target. Eragon and Arya/Aragorn and Arwen You don't need to be an etymologist to see the semblance. rolleyes
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 2:09 am
Baulder a magical Ancient Language in which everything has a name which must be spoken in order to influence it (Ursula le Guin's Earthsea, anyone?) -The Ancient Language is much different from Earthsea. The names of Earthsea are an object's true identity, thus one who knows it's true identity controls it's identity. The ancient language however is more like a tool used to contorl magic, as described by Oromis. Magic is controlled by will alone, but with the Ancient language, one can word one's purpose concretely. So when one says "Blow up that door." But is picturing himself; instead of blowing up himself, he blows up the door. Although I must admit, this one is a tad bit simialar. Although, there are many books with an ancient language and true names and such. Why you chose to pick on Eragon only, again eludes me. Because some of my friends now refuse to read Tolkien, thinking it will not be as good as Inheritance, which makes my blood boil.
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 2:11 am
Baulder The elven honorific Elda (quoth Lord Elrond: "The life of the Eldar is leaving you") -Elda is simialar to Elder. Who the hell cares that some guy's name is simialar? It's a popular thing to do to name something after the word Elder. Coincidence! If you had a girlfriend named Becky and then some other guy has a girlfriend named Rebecca; you wouldn't beat him up and then claim he was with your girlfriend, would you? Cause that's exactly what your doing right now. The same thing happens with many imitators of Tolkien. They steal words and phrases from Tolkien's elven dialects. Take elda, the example I have just given you, or Moredhel from Raymond E. Feist's Magician. Moredhel in Tolkien elvish = Black Elf.
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 2:16 am
Baulder Dragonriders (oh, looks like Anne Mcaffrey is owed a tithe too!) -Dragonlance, Dragonrider, Icefire, Firestar, Dragonslayer, every videogame with a dragon in it, Record of Lodoss War. Need I go on? Point is, the Dragonrider idea is used repeatedly. Once again, you pick on only Eragon to be fault. Dragonlance - In all the Dragonlance books I have read to date (and I have read no small number, believe you me) I have read of three characters riding dragons. They are: Tasslehoff Burrfoot, Huma Dragonsbane and Tanthalas Quisif nan-Pah. Hardly an order of dragon riders. Chris d'Lacey's books and Dragonslayer - Wouldn't know, never read them. No, not every videogame with a dragon in it. That is a gross generalization. You would make a very poor debater, I think.
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 2:17 am
Are you going to keep going, or may I reply now?
Nevermind, it appears I spoke too soon. Keep going.
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 2:19 am
Baulder dwarves that are expert craftsmen (Gimli would fit right in, don't you think?) -Once again, dwarven stereotype. Oh yes, and their religion is an almost perfect copy of Tolkien's dwarves worship of the Maia Aule.
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 2:20 am
Baulder an isolated mountain village where noble blood is still passed down from a king long ago (Edmond's Field from Wheel of Time) -Oh my god, do you read any books at all!? Just about every single piece of fantasy litature in the world uses that!! Not the Old Kingdom trilogy. Not the Dragonlance Chronicles. Not Harry Potter. Not Lord of the Rings. Not the Bartimaeus Trilogy. Not the Worlds of Chrestomanci. And rest assured, as a writer, I have never used such a plot device.
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 2:21 am
Baulder immortal, fair, beautiful elves (looks like the Quendi have cousins!) -Is that not the Elven stereotype? Will you walk up to every smart, straight A Asian tommorow and say, "You guys are a pathetic plagiarism of one another!" Um, no, it isn't. I don't recall Terry Pratchett's elves as being perfect clones of the Quendi. Nor do I think Margaret Weis' elves or those of the Forgotten Realms bear an uncanny resemblance to the Noldorin or Sindarin.
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 2:22 am
Baulder singing to trees to shape them (the Ogier from Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time aren't the only ones who can do it, then!) -Bards, fairies, Magcians of Caprona, etc. Plenty of spellcasters from multiple pieces of literature use singing to do stuff, including growing trees. And once again, you pick on only Eragon. Oh, wait, I was in error, it wasn't only the Ogier, if I remember correctly, the Aiel could do it too, before the Breaking of the World. I loved the book Magicians of Caprona, though. Wait, I'm getting off topic. The Ogier and Aiel of Wheel of Time and the elves are the only ones who sing specifically to shape trees. (i.e. the art of Treesinging).
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 2:37 am
Well it's been... 14 minues. sweatdrop I'm just going to assume your done writing, so I'll reply now.
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 2:40 am
Galadedrid Damodred Baulder I said name something, I didn't say give me an absurd list. But, as well, I will answer practically. Now, is that the plot of Star Wars or Inheritance? -Boy, it's a plot. All plots are the same. There is a great villain and a hero rises to bring him down. But every story has things that seperates it from others. If you were to trashing every story just because it has a plot simialar to some other story, then stories like Lord of the Rings would just as easily be trashed. Though Eragon's storyline is simialar to Star Wars, it's nothing the same. 1. Darth Vader is present in Star Wars. Morzan is dead in Eragon. 2. Eragon's sibling is his enemy's evil prodigy who eventually kicks Eragon's a**. Luke's sibling is a pansy girl that dresses scantily and wears cinamon buns as hair. Need I go on? No, it's not the plot of every book. Take, for example, Wheel of Time. The Dragon is Reborn to fight an endless, eternal battle against the Shadow. See Abhorsen. The seven descendants of great magical beings come together to seal an ancient evil under the earth. This is not the plot of every story. And the arguments you make are quite frankly feeble. Ridiculous, if I may say so. But if you narrow it down, it's just the story if a great 'evil,' and then someone rises as the only hope to bring that 'evil' down. And as for my arguements being ridiculous, it's ironic you say that, because I can, and I believe I have, said the same about yours.
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 2:48 am
Baulder Galadedrid Damodred Baulder I said name something, I didn't say give me an absurd list. But, as well, I will answer practically. Now, is that the plot of Star Wars or Inheritance? -Boy, it's a plot. All plots are the same. There is a great villain and a hero rises to bring him down. But every story has things that seperates it from others. If you were to trashing every story just because it has a plot simialar to some other story, then stories like Lord of the Rings would just as easily be trashed. Though Eragon's storyline is simialar to Star Wars, it's nothing the same. 1. Darth Vader is present in Star Wars. Morzan is dead in Eragon. 2. Eragon's sibling is his enemy's evil prodigy who eventually kicks Eragon's a**. Luke's sibling is a pansy girl that dresses scantily and wears cinamon buns as hair. Need I go on? No, it's not the plot of every book. Take, for example, Wheel of Time. The Dragon is Reborn to fight an endless, eternal battle against the Shadow. See Abhorsen. The seven descendants of great magical beings come together to seal an ancient evil under the earth. This is not the plot of every story. And the arguments you make are quite frankly feeble. Ridiculous, if I may say so. But if you narrow it down, it's just the story if a great 'evil,' and then someone rises as the only hope to bring that 'evil' down. And as for my arguements being ridiculous, it's ironic you say that, because I can, and I believe I have, said the same about yours. No. Not all stories are about the rise of a great evil and the rise of a hero to unseat it. The Bartimaeus Trilogy, for example, is about political intrigue. Fruits Basket (a graphic novel, but still literature) is about a family's struggling with a dark secret they bear, and the girl who helps them carry it. You are again generalising.
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 2:53 am
Galadedrid Damodred Baulder Galadedrid Damodred Baulder I said name something, I didn't say give me an absurd list. But, as well, I will answer practically. Now, is that the plot of Star Wars or Inheritance? -Boy, it's a plot. All plots are the same. There is a great villain and a hero rises to bring him down. But every story has things that seperates it from others. If you were to trashing every story just because it has a plot simialar to some other story, then stories like Lord of the Rings would just as easily be trashed. Though Eragon's storyline is simialar to Star Wars, it's nothing the same. 1. Darth Vader is present in Star Wars. Morzan is dead in Eragon. 2. Eragon's sibling is his enemy's evil prodigy who eventually kicks Eragon's a**. Luke's sibling is a pansy girl that dresses scantily and wears cinamon buns as hair. Need I go on? No, it's not the plot of every book. Take, for example, Wheel of Time. The Dragon is Reborn to fight an endless, eternal battle against the Shadow. See Abhorsen. The seven descendants of great magical beings come together to seal an ancient evil under the earth. This is not the plot of every story. And the arguments you make are quite frankly feeble. Ridiculous, if I may say so. But if you narrow it down, it's just the story if a great 'evil,' and then someone rises as the only hope to bring that 'evil' down. And as for my arguements being ridiculous, it's ironic you say that, because I can, and I believe I have, said the same about yours. No. Not all stories are about the rise of a great evil and the rise of a hero to unseat it. The Bartimaeus Trilogy, for example, is about political intrigue. Fruits Basket (a graphic novel, but still literature) is about a family's struggling with a dark secret they bear, and the girl who helps them carry it. You are again generalising. Yes, generally speaking indeed. I would go on to say that certain things in either story could be interperted as the 'evil' thing and etc, but then that'd just turn this arguement into one about interpertation.
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 2:57 am
Galadedrid Damodred Baulder Eragon and Arya (remind you of any other human/elf duos?) -Bafoon, if there are so many human/elf duos, then why the hell are you complaining about this one only??? You might as well be flaming Lord of the Rings, and every other human/elf duo out there as well! And yet, you decide to pick out only Eragon as your target. Eragon and Arya/Aragorn and Arwen You don't need to be an etymologist to see the semblance. rolleyes Resemblance, there is indeed. However, I really don't see how this little detail supports your arguement that Eragon steals stories. For one thing, Arya isn't bound by any laws to not love Eragon like Arwen was. Arya willingly chooses not to love Eragon so as to not distract him (which ironiclaly does the completely opposite, but that's beyond the point). Also, Arya's mom doesn't at all interfere with their relationship. And, Arya doesn't love Eragon back. She might, but she doesn't give him the love. Though it is simialar, the relationship between the two lovers Eragon and Arya is completely different from that of Aragorn and Arwen. Galadedrid Damodred Baulder a magical Ancient Language in which everything has a name which must be spoken in order to influence it (Ursula le Guin's Earthsea, anyone?) -The Ancient Language is much different from Earthsea. The names of Earthsea are an object's true identity, thus one who knows it's true identity controls it's identity. The ancient language however is more like a tool used to contorl magic, as described by Oromis. Magic is controlled by will alone, but with the Ancient language, one can word one's purpose concretely. So when one says "Blow up that door." But is picturing himself; instead of blowing up himself, he blows up the door. Although I must admit, this one is a tad bit simialar. Although, there are many books with an ancient language and true names and such. Why you chose to pick on Eragon only, again eludes me. Because some of my friends now refuse to read Tolkien, thinking it will not be as good as Inheritance, which makes my blood boil. Now come on, that's not a really good reason. Your just angry. If your friends refuse to read Lord of the Rings, then you should complain to them, not us.
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 2:59 am
Galadedrid Damodred Baulder The elven honorific Elda (quoth Lord Elrond: "The life of the Eldar is leaving you") -Elda is simialar to Elder. Who the hell cares that some guy's name is simialar? It's a popular thing to do to name something after the word Elder. Coincidence! If you had a girlfriend named Becky and then some other guy has a girlfriend named Rebecca; you wouldn't beat him up and then claim he was with your girlfriend, would you? Cause that's exactly what your doing right now. The same thing happens with many imitators of Tolkien. They steal words and phrases from Tolkien's elven dialects. Take elda, the example I have just given you, or Moredhel from Raymond E. Feist's Magician. Moredhel in Tolkien elvish = Black Elf. Still, Elda is still a very broad word that just about anyone could use. Your going to need something bigger if your going to convince anyone that the ancient language is the same as LotR's elven language.
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