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Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 8:46 pm
The_Voice suppose i'll go next ok. i've seen neith scramble for favoritism from anya and do some very selfish things that have made me lose a lot of rrespect for her as an rper. hassling other guardians because ur fae is being ignored is just ridiculus cause how many other fae get ignored? lots. this whole pregnancy issue hasnt made me feel any better about neith. she needs to learn when to let sleeping dogs lie or somethin. when i saw gmfc quest my jaw nearly dropped. i was kinda amazed that neith didn't have the patience to respect the overwhelming decisin of the guardians and let things go. ive seen people really hurt by neith's actions. that bothers me. the things that bothes me most however is how neith seems to exepct favoritsm for anya. guardians are all on an equal playing field. we all must follow the rules anya sets down. the fact that neith thought she could disregard these rules entirely is in my eyes the straw that broke the camels back. i dont feel that kia or neith are essential to fae rp. shes treading on eggshels in my opinon. i say that on her next offense she is kicked out from fae and kia is either given to someone else or simply removed. its harsh but it would resolve things. Oh, you're a real sweetheart. *snort* Don't bother to hide it, we've all read it. Edit: And I know that some people might think otherwise... Konaru, for example, seeing as her fa'e is Kia's boyfriend. Youko, who'll be the guardian of Kia's baby. The guardian that Konaru choose to be the guardian of Kia's second fa'e baby. IC Neith, who'll not be able to handle loosing her first baby, and then Elle and Winny, who'll have to loose a big sister, plus Kia's friends, and her little 'brothers'... who are the same age as her now, but that's hardly the point... And Nyoka, didn't Nyoka burn herself for Kia at some point to make sure that Kia wasn't alone in her kid-to-teen quest? And then the fa'e that she used to know... o_O What part of that isn't essensial? Oh, and, to someone's question about the SImu. ^_^ They arn't made from their guardians. They're pretty much a spirit that connects itself to a various antique. Once the antique's bought, the Simu 'reflects' physical and some emotional aspects of his or her guardian, but they don't remain like that for long. So Aurora isn't made from Kia, she just attached herself to Kia.
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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 2:51 am
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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 3:32 am
Quote: She had to b***h about it over aim and in fa'e, she got it to the point where Kia snapped at a fa'e because they went on a trip, she didn't get angry at them all, just one fa'e, then attack that guardian over aim saying that the next time they do a storyline to make sure they check with her first. Why does she feel she has the right to dicated everyone storylines, she has done this to countless guardians. Hey! Wait a sec! O_O Kia never snapped at Aylana. She was scared of Aylana while she was a kid, because of a seperate incident when Aylana was a spirit and unable to take a physical form. *twitch* This entire thread is pointless. But I'll try to sort this all out. x_X In responce to the 'Neith sucked up to Anya heaps' related paragraphs. Yes, I did offer my help to Anya a lot, or hug her, or try and give her attention whenever she came in. You know why? Two reasons, neither because I wanted her to favor me. Firstly, because she gave me Kia. She let me have the thing that has been my life since Feb. No one could give me a better gift than the chance to RP a character that I created months before with some of my best friends and their children. What better way to understand your character than to raise her from a baby? And secondly because she has up to 30 fa'e now to draw. I always tried my hardest to make her feel like she was more than just the artist to us, I always tried to get her to RP with us so that she didn't feel left out. Or I'd offer my help to her, or make an easter party or help with the contest, or defend her... anything so that she didn't feel burdened with all teh jobs of HQ on top of being expected to draw hundreds of images for us all. For a measly 10 or 20k. And some of you KNOW that I defended her when you guys started to b***h about how she was only in it for the money from the auctions now. I'm not going to say who said what, but lurkers and guardians were pretty bitchy when she accepted a Bear hat, or ran those auctions. I'm really glad she got some co-owners, it was a lot for her to manage. ^_^
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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 4:12 am
Quote: I can't think of a very nice solution to this. Unless Neith can buckle down and ask before she enters a RP, bite her tongue when she needs to, etc, things are going to continue to be ugly. And once again, someone's already mentioned that the past warning only lasted about a week before the thigns that caused peopel to be irritated started reappearing. I do ask... I have been since someone told me about the complaints. I haven't RPed in HQ since I first found out people were so angry at me... I tried a few times, but x_x. I did RP at the Halloween thing though... did I do anything wrong when I did RP there? Quote: It also smacks of attention whoring, as someone else pointed out. Silver and Sati are due to be married and Shina's now pregnant... and.. poof, Kia turns up with a bun. The timing is just.. way off. And it's not the first time Kia's suddenly appeared with this "plot twist" type ploy with suspicious timing. Like I said (And I'm saying it again to make it as clear as I can XD).... Kia's pregnancy had been planned since before October. Shina and Hoshi's one was one of those '...Hey, let's do this!' five second later ideas from what I understand. Kia's pregnancy had nothing to do with Silver and Sati... I hadn't even thought of them. O_o Ask Eirnae or Anya. ^_^ ...And crap, she'll look bad as a bridesmaid. XD Sorry Sayuri! Quote: I also agree with the commetn that Kia is just this.. giant mash of characters and past lives. I think that's just.. ridiculous. It's easy enough to god mode with one mythological character, and here we have a handful that's just begging to be the "solution" to every problem that comes along. The essense that IS Kia gets lost in this undefinable mass. Kia's three characters. Firstly, Kia. Then Neith, a girl born three hundred years later. And the spirit that she is now, as herself. The Bennu part isn't apart of the novel, it was what made Kia a fa'e in the first place. Kia's religion was created by her husband, to worship a single god. Others followed. The idea was that the spirit of a person would pass along biologically via children, and without a reason, awaken in a child either 50 years on, or thousands of years. That person would still be themselves, but they'd have the knowlage of the spirit inside of them... not at once, it'd take years to slowly uncover it. ANd then, if they followed the religion as well, they'd be able to 'bond' both spirits. And then when they died, the TWO bonded spirits would pass along again. And so on... Kia's a mix of two, and herself. Quote: Not to be a total b***h, but getting Kia a child through the GMFC isn't a "great personal sacrifice" to anyone. Yes, the child isn't a Fa'e, but does that, in the end, really matter much? It makes peopel mad because it SEEMS like Neith is saying "well, since I can't have a baby this way, screw you all and your rules, I'm getting a baby that way". I know she's not, but it can seem that way.. like once again, she's pushing and griping until she gets her way. And I think people are angry that she asked to break the rules in the first place. We all signed onto this game together.. and when that revelation came out (granted, it had been unclear), she didn't just accept it (I hitnk most of us did.. ?), she wanted an exception. The personal sacrifice was giving up every single item I could possibly get out of my iventory and using it... I'd walk around in rags for this chance for Kia AND Taka. But when Anya changed her mind, I was kind of mad... you would be in the same situation, Anya changing her mind to a plot she agreed to after the plot had started. But I figured out a different way. Talked with Konaru, sorted it out, and let Konaru PM Anya to tell her. And then Anya started the vote three hours after we agreed on a solution. xd So I PMed Anya as well. ^_^ (Sorry Konaru... she started the vote, so I had to do something. x_x) I and Konaru did want an exception. For this reason (See Rule 7): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v150/elfy_girls_from_gaia/Rule.jpgThis is a screenshot of the rules before the vote, when I asked Anya if the plot was all right. Everyone made up their mind, ok. I had already found another way to continue with the pregnancy plot, without causing problems or breaking rules. Quote: EDIT - admittedly, what I want to know is if two fa'e have a child - are they a combination of the parents: a new life, or do they bring forth a new soul to reincarnate another Fa'e (and perhaps a fa'e questor's concept). From what I understand, the biolgoical resemblance is of the parents, but the child's concept is the guardians. Fa'e are dreams of the guardians, right? The Guardian is the dreamer, teh fa'e is their dream, and so whoever the baby is connected to, the baby will gain his or her soul/concept... But I could be wrong. Guys.... if you have a problem with me, could you please tell me to my face, and not to everyone else but me? Maybe you should block me for a few days, to let me calm down. It works pretty well most of the time. But everyone's been complaining to Anya. As much as I HATE being told my faults, it's the only way I can know about them and learn how to better myself... And if everyone decides to tell everyone else, and not tell me, and then no one tells me because it's all hushhush... how am I supposed to know how big a problem it is? It was a huge shock to hear it a few weeks ago, because I hadn't known about how large a problem I'd caused. And I was very hurt, very upset, I whined to people I trusted because I needed some sort of comfort. (And if you guys were annoyed by that, I'm sorry... when I'm upset like that, I just need to rant and whine and rant and cry and generally do anything I can to relieve some of the pain.)(Aylee, Solo met Kia when he was a baby. XD It was SOOO cute too... he was sitting there with Mizu's slipper, and he put it on his head and he sat in it and AWW. ...Anyway. Yea. XD heart And Zero, the only reason I PMed you with that was because I was hurt to find out that Youko had taken Akira away from me and given him to you, when he was mad at me. ) ...I think it's done. o_o
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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 8:10 am
Alright, now really, how screwed up is all of this? Whatever Neith may have done is done. I know i've had my own squabbles with her in the past, but I don't see why anyone would want to take away her fa'e. She does get a little whiny O.o..but who doesn't.
Honestly, even I'm afraid to RP at the HQ anymore. I've been afraid of someone doing something like this to me all along, so I've stayed away, and gotten Lana a co-guardian so she can still exist. It's not that I don't love my fa'e daughter, it's that afraid that anything I do or say can be used against me. We're all guilty of talking behind each others backs. There's no changing that, and no denying it.
I see nothing wrong with the GMFC thing. If Neith and Konaru want their Fa'e to have a child it can keep, that's a great way to do it. Get off your high horses about it, there really is nothing wrong with it.
As for pestering/whining about playdates, yes, a lot of guardians don't finish playdates. I havn't finished a few myself, and others havn't finished some with me. If both guardians move on, and it's not really relevant to a plot, then just forget about it. If it is for some reason important, then by god, finish the damn thing.
O.o...Ok. I'm gonna go back to bed now. I've said all I can say.
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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 8:52 am
Neith-Kia (Aylee, Solo met Kia when he was a baby. XD It was SOOO cute too... he was sitting there with Mizu's slipper, and he put it on his head and he sat in it and AWW. ...Anyway. Yea. XD heart Really? XD Well. Makes me twice as glad I started RPing Solo as a toddler. Wait, I even screwed that up. e_e; Nevermind. Just noone should ever give me any children younger than 15. XD I make them too old for their own good. *chalks that up to hating most little kids* >__>;; *shuts up now*
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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 9:11 am
I'm sorry, but I think not finishing a playdate is a VERY big deal that needs to be addressed more. Now, I'm not talking about the little frivolous ones, but there have been COUNTLESS times where a fa'e has been tied up in an important RP that you can't just "move on" from without them. They are important to us, and our character's development, and sometimes important decisions rest in the balance.
If you start something you should finish it. Or, if you really can't, you should at least give a reason why so the person knows they are on their own to think of a solution.
I don't care HOW busy you are, how much you hate Gaia, or what. It doesn't take more than maybe 5 or 10 minutes to find a computer with internet connection and shoot off a PM to someone saying "Hey, life is a b***h right now and I don't have time to finish that RP we started a week ago. Its up to you to wrap it up." Its just common decency.
I'm sick and tired of seeing this over and over. Its happened to Purrpurr, its happened to Mordath, its happened to Amilu, its happened to Kia...its probably happened to EVERYONE. Nothing is more annoying than being neck-deep in a plot and the other person just dissapears or starts ignoring you.
And of course if you ASK them about it, then suddenly you're "badgering" them.
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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 9:27 am
I'm not going to bother... going into that account to talk in here O_o I've jsut read over the whole four pages of this thread... (Yes, I was bored e_e... and I need a life, get over it), anyhow, I'm going to try and make sense in my pondering, but this is what I know and think.
First off, there lies the fact that people... are being AS egoistical as they claim Neith to be; asking for her Fae to be taken away is not the solution, as many people have indeed pointed out; the way people are bashing... whinning, and hissing here resembles a cat fight to me O_o I thought that the fae was a GAME.
Yes, a GAME, which actually means we should be enjoying it, not having problems like this; ultimately, this should not be happening in the first place.
I think we should all stop and think about how we would feel if our Fae were taken away from us. Personally /I/ would rather my Fae actually... somehow 'die' ICly than have her taken away from me ~_~ (This does not mean I wouldn't give her to a friend IF for example, I were forced to leave gaia. I am just refering to the fact she be taken away from me without my concent), because eh, Yin is EXTREMELY personal to me; she is a part of me, and my imagination...
Having her ripped away from me would be like stealing a very precious portion of me away from... me. I don't know if that made sense -.o but anyways. Back to the point.
The having-a-baby-from-Kamiki's-thread thing should indeed not be an issue o_O actually, I found it to be a rather nice solution for Kia, not to mention the fact that /I/ think it's cute *Shrug* So let's put that aside for one moment... how many of the Fae out there are becoming ancients because they don't want to... be, well, mortal (aka, they losse their Fae-like traits) for it, especially if they don't get the baby? O_o many. *shrug* It's all great to point your finger at someone who voiced him/herself out... but what is it you think deep down inside? e.e
Anyhow. personally I think this should end nicely, and neatly, no need for a fight, or for sour faces.... The punishments Moor talked about seemed resonable to me, as did the idea for the Fae not 'growing' for a month that Sosi mentioned. Let's get a nice list going, and some rules to go by, a sistem... and let's just... drop this with a warning.
If Neith is being a bit too 'passionate' let's just say "hey now n.n cool it *pats* we'll talk about it later" or something e_e
I can't personally TALK on that matter, since I've not seen these incidents, and I don't KNOW Neith all THAT much to pinpoint that she's an 'attention whore' as some people claim... so I'll elegantly glide out of that part. All I CAN say is that Kia is one of the most used Fae... she gets attention, has friends, and is important to the story. Many other Fae get rpged a lot less (hey, Yin included there O_o Kia is WAY more widely known), so... mrrrft.
.... Uhm e.e I don't think I mentioned all I wanted to, but yeah, I'll come back when my thoughts are slightly more sorted out -_o! .... *bows and shuffles off*
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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 9:42 am
I really hope you don't mind my two cents.
See? Gaia is REALLY Corrupt. Don't you know that? Look at this. We're all bickering over spilt blood that already happened. Now, if you ask me, this thread SHOULD be saved. To show that some gaurdians don't feel strong enough to say it to her face. Now if you said it to her face, then she would be okay. But I don't see the point. You ALL have good arguements. ALL of you have a good point. but I'm almost positive when I say, get over it. She can try to change, but it's her. Trust me, people HATE me on Gaia, you learn to get over it. But once your someone, Your that someone.
Its hard to change, I know, but we can all change. And whats this about strikes? or Chances? O-o;; I haven't been around long enough to understand all of this, but by the looks of it. I see that you're all unhappy.
;_______; can't we all live, learn, and forget? I miss when we were all happy.
Gaia is fake guys. REALLY Fake. Everything is. Not the art. Not the people. Its the people behind the pixels that make up Gaia. And they choose who they want to be behind those pixels. Some could be serial killers. Some could be intelligent 8 year olds. Who knows. But however they act is reflecting off on you. So Shine your own sun on someone. Only if it's a smiling sun. Please please please dont make a big deal about it. heart
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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 1:07 pm
I'm officially an idiot. I don't know how to log off my name, so screw the annonymity anywho.
I came to Gaia in December, and started lurkage around January. Kia got her Fa'e shortly after myself sometime in February I believe.... and even if it was March, look at how damn long she has been CONSTANTLY role-playing Kia. Who else has been so attentive over such a length of time? Yuumei? Who else? Who else has met so many Fa'e, done so many stories, made so many people at HQ feel welcome when *gasp* we didn't have thousands of pages behind us?
Here's my opinion: GROW SOME BALLS. And yes, I am a woman saying this. Neith and I have fought, and sometimes she was at fault and sometimes me. When she has pestered and annoyed me, I sat there and patiently took time to explain to her over and over again how much she was annoying me and why. Why? I'm an adult. I have the decency to take up my problems with the offender and make sure they understand me. Do we keep having disagreements? Sure. It's in our nature.
We're also scape-goating. Oho! You don't believe me?
When RikProwley, furthermore referred to simply as Em, came along, I was upset she didn't want to partake in our Fa'e community. I couldn't imagine why and for some reason took it personally. Being naive, I complained to a friend of mine who is also coincidentally one of Em's friends and she asked me why I was so upset... rather, "Is it just because she doesn't want to be part of your clique?" Amazing, isn't it? Her first page was even offensive and did anyone have a trial about taking away her Fa'e? No. Now I admire her; she wasn't afraid of what people would think. I was. I was walking on eggshells afraid to upset someone.
Seen "Mean Girls" lately? That's us. We get offended and quietly vent, then turn around and b***h to Anya rather than go to Neith. If she doesn't understand us or *gasp* gets caught up ranting and doesn't stop, we tattle. Instead of acting like mature adults, we act like clique-ish school girls. When someone pisses us off, we try to shove them away instead of deal with the situation, try to ban them when they speak their mind. If we spent half the time we used typing these posts talking to Neith, we'd be fine. I know. I spent a lot of time explaining to her, and now I think we're closer.
Sure, make a set of rules... but if we start taking away Fa'e from people who argue with us because we can't block them on AIM and deal with them ourselves, then I'll give up Onuris willingly. And he'll go to that special someone who helped me realize that the problem is that our little Fa'e community has become hostile.
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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 2:41 pm
I'm not sure if I'm qualified to post in this thread, but listen please. I'm new as a lurker because I thought there was no chance for me to get a Fa'e. When I saw the art contest I started lurking. This is my first post in the guild and I haven't read ANY of the Fa'e journal things.
From my point of view there is a simple problem. The same thing that she was acused of, misinturpreting what is said, the same thing most of you have done.
Another point is that I'm not sure I want to become a part of this group due to the gross disgusting imaturity I've seen in the HQ thread. The art is great and I have RPed with Eirnae before, but I wonder about whether I really want to have to deal with this group as a whole, because I'm not sure I've even heard of Neith before.
As for the rules, I have one thing to say. No matter what you all agree on there needs to be a way to make new rules and deal with situations that would make new rules in a fair and organized way.
My final thing to voice is to say that this situation has been dealt with in a horrible and demeaning matter. It's a credit to some of you that you threw off the set way of this to say what you have to say, though not always justified, useing your own name. She now knows there is a problem. A council like this should only happen after the person has been told what the problem is and been given a few chances to change their ways with help offered.With that said I hope you all as a group will work together to help her to overcome the problem that she wants to fix as much as any of you.
If there is something you wish to say to me about what I have voiced or something else, then PM me. I did read the entire thread, and want you all to merely consider what I haev said before discounting it. I'm not likely to read this thread again. I find it distasteful and am not really involved, but I felt that this might help. I hope this goes well for those who are invloved.
[Edit]The problem I stated she now knows of is the Bipolar thing. It helps to know what your trying to deal with to find the right way to.[/Edit]
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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 3:10 pm
*stares at Drac's post*
....I feel sick.
So -that's- what's been happening? Wow. I knew that that had been going on (being on the receiving end of that before) but not like -that-.
I feel David's pain in having to try to keep things under control. ._.;
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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 4:34 pm
********, it turned into World War Three while I wasn't looking.
I refuse to participate in this, I refuse to be drug onto either side. Just consider me a neutral party. I don't have time for this finger-pointing.
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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 4:53 pm
Dammit. I come home from a Walmart gig for the band (after waking up early in the morning after a horrible competition), get online, look at a PM that I didn't get to look over that well before... sent here. Thought of not participating. Then read a few of the posts.
This is crazy, folks. This is just insane. Screw being anonymous. I'm going to say what I'm going to say, even if it sounds like I'm whining/bitching, like it sounds like gibberish or whatever. I don't care if I don't fully understand what's going on, I'm already lost. I'm tired.
Now, I know I was quite a dedicated fa'e guardian and Sheriff before, but lately I've been too busy to keep up. High School's making it that way. So I don't know how the hell or when all of this just blew up. But this is messed up. But if you guys felt that way about Neith, you should've told her it at the beginning, not whine to someone else, acting as if you're ok with her when you're not or ignore her when she's around. I should know. I've been like that lately with my dad, and it's not solving ANYTHING. You have to be able to understand each other, otherwise your emotions are just going to build up into you can't hold it in any longer. Then, you EXPLODE. You have to understand each other if you want to be able to get it worked out.
Sure, some people are whiny, bitchy, and such. Some people don't like others. It's natural. You can't try to please everyone! Hate and Anger and such makes people bitter, and can destroy friendships.
Not only that, but just because you see the bad side of a person doesn't mean that they don't have a good side. Neith may have done things that makes others frustrated and mad, but she has also done good things as well. She has good intentions. Everyone has good qualities and bad qualities people! Understand that.
About what Drac posted for David, I believe: Now that, is going overboard. Krista is a great person, and a good friend. I do admit, that sometimes I have a hard time reading some of the stories, but the ideas are present--what she is thinking. As for "worshipping" her characters, Neith, I think you are misinterpretting her. You yourself seems to be wanting her to "worship" yours, if you think that way. This could all be avoided if you two understand each other! You can't come to conclusions so easily! Besides, what's so wrong about liking your fa'e more than the others if you've put so much work into making them alive? All the fa'e are great, but doesn't yours seem more special to yourself?
I think I'm misinterpreting this problem... but I still have more to say...
People, I thought that the fa'e were our children. They only become our children, because we make them that way, don't we? In the beginning, our avatars are mere pixels, and the fa'e are simply stunning pictures Anya draws, that's part of something fun--a roleplay, a game. We make them what they are. There are real people behind each avatar. There are emotions behind each character we play.
In the end, this is just another way to interact with people, isn't it? So why is it so hard for us to talk to others about problems? Or is this how life is now... talk behind someone's back until it can't be helped?
COME ON. We shouldn't be considering having someone who has been around so long in the fa'e community as a guardian have her fa'e taken away because of misunderstandings. This has happened because people don't have the guts to tell anyone how they feel. Instead, we vent to others. This isn't right at all! Let's just try to figure things out WITHOUT having people get more hurt or having to take away something so precious away. I'm only fourteen. I know most of you guys are older than me... at least I think so. I know I'm not mature for my age, but I want to be serious about this. I respect and care for Neith. And I respect everyone else in the fa'e community. Why can't we just deal and act like adults?
... Ok, I don't know what the hell I'm saying anymore. Most likely repeating myself. Once I clear my mind, I'll look over this again. I'm just greatly disappointed right now.
By the way, I'm not on either side, even if it might look like I'm in favor of anyone.
I just wish we could go back to the good old days...
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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 5:01 pm
I'm sorry guys, I can't say anything because i'm just so disgusted. And because i'm so obviously biased, my opinion shouldn't be taken into consideration.
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