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Squall of SeeD

PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 6:19 pm


Sephiroth_God
yes u may think that. We need DNA testing


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Um, sir, the writers sort of give us information within the story in order for us to determine things about the story. That's why they put things in the story. There's nothing within the story to suggest that Vincent is Sephiroth's father. Nothing period. It is even refuted by what is within the story. Without stepping outside what the writers created, it is impossible to determine that Sephiroth is Vincent's son, because in order to draw that conclusion, you have to add things to the story that aren't there, and ignore what is.
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 6:34 pm


well write a letter to square and then see what they say and then ill believe you

Sephiroth_Rebirth


Squall of SeeD

PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 7:24 pm


Sephiroth_God
well write a letter to square and then see what they say and then ill believe you


Fortunately, Sephy, we don't have to do that since they give us the story of the game in order to infer the storyline. Being that nothing within the storyline suggests that Vincent is Sephiroth's father, it isn't so and cannot be so unless more is written into Advent Children, Before Crisis, Dirge of Cerberus, or Crisis Core to suggest it, because as things are at this time, it is not possible because the evidence doesn't exist.
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 8:19 pm


look to clear up any misconceptions just go and play the game and get to the part to fight hojo and hojo will say that sephiroth is his son

Spawn of Sephiroth


Sephiroth_Rebirth

PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 8:55 pm


Ive played the game. But there is no evidence saying Hojo is his father either other than he says so
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 11:54 pm


the sephiroth of the meteor incident wasnt the original was he? or did they revive him after zack kills him?

Bango Skank


Supra Bandit1

PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 4:48 am


Patches O Hannigan
the sephiroth of the meteor incident wasnt the original was he? or did they revive him after zack kills him?
Zack doesnt kill anyone, Cloud killed seph in the nebleim mount. reactor, then some crazy stuff happened, ask Squall, he is the brains around here
PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 11:42 am


BigHotz
Patches O Hannigan
the sephiroth of the meteor incident wasnt the original was he? or did they revive him after zack kills him?
Zack doesnt kill anyone, Cloud killed seph in the nebleim mount. reactor, then some crazy stuff happened, ask Squall, he is the brains around here
oh yeah xp i remembered that could put himself in zack's position but then i just remembered when he kills seph hes in his real position sweatdrop no one saw that ninja

Bango Skank


Shuura

PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 4:50 pm


Sephiroth_God
Ive played the game. But there is no evidence saying Hojo is his father either other than he says so


sweatdrop Oh...dear. sweatdrop
PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 5:31 pm


what do you think Shuura?

Sephiroth_Rebirth


Squall of SeeD

PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 5:56 pm


Sephiroth_God
Ive played the game. But there is no evidence saying Hojo is his father either other than he says so


Seph, let me explain something to you: In the concept of storytelling, when something is put forth as fact, yet is never contested on any level, it is fact. That's how storytelling works.

Besides, if you want more evidence within the game, there's the fact that Lucrecia runs away from Vincent when he declares his love to her, and is seen in Hojo's arms kissing him a moment later, with Vincent saying "If she is happy then... I don't mind."

She was clearly in love with Hojo. In light of this evidence, the fact that Hojo says he is the father and that no one -- not even Vincent -- contests this, that this revelation comes just before Hojo is killed and AVALANCHE can enter the Northern Crater for the final showdown, and that no evidence is ever presented to suggest Vincent could be the father or that he and Lucrecia had any relationship -- again, while it's clear that Vincent was in love with Lucrecia, there's only evidence to the contrary in regard to Vincent, as she rejects him and loved Hojo -- it is fact within the story that Hojo is his father.

In order to determine that he isn't, you have to ignore what the writers created, and essentially make a different story than the one that exists. Unless you can actually offer some evidence for your argument, I ask that you don't continue to fight for such an unsupported argument in the face of logic.
PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 6:00 pm


ok I believe you now

Sephiroth_Rebirth


Supra Bandit1

PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 6:16 pm


Squall...are u tired of explaining things,
s**t, cause every time you make a post, its like half a page long
PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 6:22 pm


I KNOW. o well he feels smart.
Hey bighotz. Do you do the Rp?

Sephiroth_Rebirth


Supra Bandit1

PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 6:26 pm


yep
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