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Mirelmture

PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 8:32 pm


I feel like I killed it. emo
PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 1:39 am


hehe, i need to check this thread more often. was thinking about getting it going again.

as for commissions, the pricing is really up to you. if you're doing it for a living you need to base your rates on your cost of living, cost of materials, how much profit you want to make, and your time, of course. if you're doing it for fun with a little extra cash i think the factors to balance are:

1) how long it'll take,
2) how much you feel your time is worth,
3) how much it feels like fun vs. how much it feels like work and,
4) very generally, your skill level vs. current market value

the first is pretty easy. start with the levels of detail you're willing to do: linework, full color, single character illustration, multi-char with background, or whatever, and roughly estimate how many hours it'll take - leaning on the generous side. i think it's also a good idea to give free quotes with a brief description of what the client wants, just in case it doesn't fit exactly into your predetermined guides.

the second is a little harder. is the time you spend on it time you would be otherwise spending at a job? if so, how much would you potentially be paid there? if not, what kind of pay could you get with your skills and level of experience?

this relates to the third quite a bit. if it feels like fun and it's something you'd be doing anyways, then i think you can be a little more lax in your rates. on the other hand, if you're drawing something you really don't like and it's causing you stress and frustration, then you need to make it worth your while with payment.

lastly, you can check out other illustrators available for commission and their prices, and roughly gage their skill level and yours. i wouldn't make this a huge consideration if it means really bringing down your prices because you don't feel your stuff is up to par with another's, but it's worth taking a look at and taking into some consideration.

so with all that in mind, figure out a good rate for yourself - hopefully somewhere above what you'd be making at a menial job but still within market value for your skill level - and multiply it by the number of hours required to get your pricing, then maybe tweak those values a bit so they make good sense to you and to a potential client.

keep in mind that paypal does charge a fee for those transactions. it's free to convert an existing paypal account into a business account there so i still think it's a good way to do secure online transactions. i'm not completely sure what the formula is, but i think there's a base fee of a couple dollars, plus a small percentage (maybe 1-2%) of the total amount.

i must admit i don't much at all about advertising and exposure - maybe sporkii can help you out there =) we spent a good chunk of time coming up with the guidelines and pricing for her commission page here: http://signalburst.org/mariska/commission/

anyway, that's my two cents about it. hope that helps a bit!

kirbyUFO
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Mahalel

PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:03 am


crazy spork i am
ooh nice! hehehe everyone thinks that bristol board is the s**t here and they swear by that stuff, so it'll be fun to see what you can come up with!

really? stare i'm sick of using bristol board because almost all of my professors (especially that technical drawing old guy) asks us to use bristol board in our plates that i almost memorized what are the grams (weight) they are from 2 ply to 8 ply. and take note that im really bad with numbers.

anyway, i really cant say anything bout the commish since kirby had said almost anything that i would say. (and at least you have paypal) the first months would be hard so dont expect a lot of clients (except if you're really famous and have a considerable fanbase already) so just improve what you have and be patient.


and hi, everybody domokun
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:41 pm


it's unfortunate that your professors turn you off from using specific products...i remember feeling that way when i was learning how to use maya at school. my teacher wasn't the best and i think spent most of her time driving away students than teaching them but for a while i didn't want to learn because of that. but eventually i got over it and i'm glad i did, i've managed to learn loads more especially with 3d stuff and having the ability to push my skills further. :3

i love using bristol, it's so smooth to draw on when i want to be pretty precise with my linework if i'm using pencil. it doesn't smear as bad and i don't have to be paranoid about whittling away at the bristol with an eraser if i'm doing some heavy editing.

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Ceraphym_Baenre
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 2:23 pm


i also enjoying bristol too, since i tend to work harder on the drawings i put on bristol paper...i dunno, the thickness just makes me feel like the image is more final. plus i like how shading comes out on bristol. i also like using water color paper too...it adds an interesting texture while you draw and the ink sits really well on it.
PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 2:27 pm


Ceraphym_Baenre
i also enjoying bristol too, since i tend to work harder on the drawings i put on bristol paper...i dunno, the thickness just makes me feel like the image is more final. plus i like how shading comes out on bristol. i also like using water color paper too...it adds an interesting texture while you draw and the ink sits really well on it.


*nod**nod* i like the heft and weight of bristol...it has such a nice feel :3

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Mahalel

PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 4:46 pm


good for you ^^ (and i suck at 3d too)

i've got a bit of 2 and 8 ply in here and stacks of 4ply bristols since 4ply is my favourite. i find it best to use when im doing charcoal drawings so i still keep a stock of them in case im in the mood.

its kind of hard to erase the lines when the board got dented and it annoys me. i prefer using animation paper in my lineart, since i could fix those littlest details and the delicate stuff in my drawings. but if its less details and i'm just using pens on my drawing, i tend to use bristol. at least im not hearing the eternal line of 'get your 2ply and blahblahblah'. next subject: 'take out your four ply and draw the isometric blahblahblah' (yeah, they do specify what ply are we going to use) anymore so im getting over it now.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 12:03 am


currently frustrated at the state of my computer here at home. it kinda prevents me from wanting to finish anything because it kills my motivation when it's being so slow. i can't do my usual set up of having a movie or music play while i work because photoshop starts to go crazy slow. even without anything it goes at a snail's pace. wah.

waiting for some of our freelance paychecks to come in so i can splurge and get a better computer. i also miss my dual monitors since we got rid of my old one back at the other apartment.

i feel so cramped and gimpy with this setup. i'd wanna do some of my personal projects at work but i think i'd feel slightly guilty of doing that instead of getting stuff done.

so all i'm doing now is accumulating the WIPs...yesiree.

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c00ki3

PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 2:09 am


crazy spork i am
currently frustrated at the state of my computer here at home. it kinda prevents me from wanting to finish anything because it kills my motivation when it's being so slow. i can't do my usual set up of having a movie or music play while i work because photoshop starts to go crazy slow. even without anything it goes at a snail's pace. wah.

waiting for some of our freelance paychecks to come in so i can splurge and get a better computer. i also miss my dual monitors since we got rid of my old one back at the other apartment.

i feel so cramped and gimpy with this setup. i'd wanna do some of my personal projects at work but i think i'd feel slightly guilty of doing that instead of getting stuff done.

so all i'm doing now is accumulating the WIPs...yesiree.


Lol, I've got the same problem with photoshop too. There are ways to make it faster though, such as enabling pixel doubling. I wish I could have a better computer too, but the possibility of it is 0.0001%. : d Lol, if you've got WIPs, do show us! : D And good luck to you on getting stuff done!
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 1:40 pm


heheh i finally got my new computer the other day...and boy, it feels like heaven to be able to work on WIPs all top-notch and speedylike :3 feels even better because i also got my dual monitors and they're so cool!

i will have to post up WIPs sometime, after the auction is over. hehehe, i don't wanna get all caught up in some project while people are busy workin' to get those illos done!

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Mahalel

PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2007 11:53 pm


yeah, its almost the same feeling i got when im in my old computer, pissed at the slowness... i could perfectly understand it... cant open your mp3 playlist while in photoshop, either have that darned photoshop or the internet window, or wait some helluva time before the other loads, etc. etc. ugh. and its dragging you with your works too. end result: laziness in digidrawings. *sighs*

congratulations on the new pc. ^^ i bought mine back at february and im so happy at its speed. im curently saving for further enhancements and additional drive because of that wips that i've left too, lol.
PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 1:48 pm


Hi everyone! biggrin I'm new! I guess I should write a little introduction first.

I go by Rin online. I'm 25 and I recently decided to return to school for animation. Granted, I can't go to any schools that I'd really like to attend for it right now (Job, family, other obligations) so I'm taking online courses. :/ I hope to actually attend a school in my junior (3rd) year.

Recently, I've taken a liking to comics, and I've been working on a webcomic (also modifying it for print). I also love webdesign. I typically work with digital formats like Photoshop and Painter, but I love my traditional media too. I'm also slowly trying to break myself from drawing anime. But places like Gaia and other amazing comics that I read make me want to keep it up. Haha.

I've yet to get a real art site up. All I have sofar is my Japanese / English fan art site that's kind of Japanese styled... and hasn't been updated in a few months. @_@ So I guess that's my summer project. Haha.

Oh yeah, there's also devart. biggrin

So anyway. Hi everyone!

tehrin


crazy spork i am
Captain

PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 2:44 pm


hey, welcome tehrin! it's great to see you around! i hope you can post some of your work up to show off! hehehe. and let us know how your animation curriculum is going. i remember taking online courses...it sounds easy but it wasn't, so much work!
PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 5:53 pm


hey hey, good to have you here! i like your taste in web design. i wouldn't worry too much about 'breaking away' from anime, though i remember getting that vibe in art school - i think the important thing is to use it as an influence tastefully. anyway, looking forward to seeing some of your new work =)

kirbyUFO
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Ceraphym_Baenre
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 9:04 pm


welcome! don't feel so bad about not having an updated site. i don't have one at all...lol, only my devart one too. hope to see some of your posts though.

congrats on your new pc maaris. what kind is it? lol...bretts dell laptop decided to crap out just before the warranty was up and he had to get a new hard drive. i've been considering trying to get one of my own so i can start doing more art stuffs, since i've only been able to do anything at workandmy wacom is collecting major dust in the corner. plus i think i need an outlet lately since i've been kind of going through some depressing times since we still haven't been able to move out of my parent's place. lol...i really need to look for a new job, but i seem to lack any real motivation...it's frustrating me...><
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