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Or what if she was a Lesbian? What if his dad was a homosexual?

give the kid up for adoption. there is always a way to live.

but tumors are commonly cancerous in nature, and able to kill the host. this is not the case with an unborn child.

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I chose breathing as one line, I did not mean to imply it is the only line, there are certainly others.

I do everything an infant does, a child does, an adolescent does, and an adult does, in terms of basic functions that qualify for life.

Expression of love is not reason enough?

first off, i don't disagree with you on the over-all perceptive, but there are a few holes in your arguement that i'd like to point out.



this i completely agree with. you can't force anyone to threaten their life to save someone else. that's taking away the right to life, not giving it. otherwise, why don't we force people get tissue-typed and give up their livers and kidneys, blood and bone morrow whenever there is a need? why don't we give tickets to everyone that is witnessed to an accident or a crime and didn't help? why don't we imprison suacidal people to make sure they don't try to kill themselves? these are the laws we'd have to put in place to not seem hypocritical if we are going to adopt a policy that says life, other than your own, is precious and you should risk your life to save others under penalty of law.



there are no orphanages in the United States anymore. i don't know where you are from, but i just wanted to point this out for people that didn't know this.



all of my adopted friends love their adopted parents now. they went through biological-parent rejection depression and took it out on their adopted parents, but now that they are older, they really love their real parents, the adopted ones. now i'm not saying this is the case for your friends, but i'd like to point out that there is lots of happily adopted kids too. also i wasn't adopted, but there were times i was so depressed that i wish i wasn't born either. have a Belchor's in Psychology, i can tell people that depression is NOT abnormal, just like having a fever isn't abnormal. it's a response stresses in life, but its not abnormal.



now i'd just like to point out a point that i made when someone else was talking about someone alive now that should've been aborted: are you saying that your fiance has so little value to his loved ones and to society that he should've just never existed? because that's what the words are logically implying.



what's so wrong with the world that you don't think the human race should continue on? but that's off topic.



now i'm not questioning your faith at all. but i'd like to stress that people should NOT make policy based on anything other than logic in a society that desires freedom of religion. people can choose to act on their own based on their faith, but people should not be forced to accept something based on someone else's faith. sorry, i know that's another tangential rant, i hope it doesn't ruffle feathers, but instead opens people's minds to the idea that they might not be supporters of freedom of religion if they thing that way.

I really don't think you caught the point of my post. Everything you said minus a few things completly differed from what I meant.

I'm not forcing my beliefs on anyone. I said it was my personal OPINION(no one else's but mine) and it was based on MY religion. My opinion, My religion That is were most people's veiws, morals, beliefs, and outlooks on life in general come from is their religion.

My logics came from things having nothing to do with my religion or my opinion.

You must also keep in mind that all of my freinds I speak of were teenagers at the time and we are all adults now. Our lives our different from what they were then. Minus the fact that everytime my phone rings and my future in-laws number shows up I'm demanded not to answer. Which is ok to me because I have no respect for them.


By the way where I live there is to and orphnage and I live in Texas. They have really nice word for it, it is called a "childrens home" So I don't know where you get this no orphanages in America thing. Just because they aren't called "orphanage" doesn't mean they don't exist.

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now i'd just like to point out a point that i made when someone else was talking about someone alive now that should've been aborted: are you saying that your fiance has so little value to his loved ones and to society that he should've just never existed? because that's what the words are logically implying.

What loved ones? His parents were all he had untill he was 15 years old. His parents treated him like s**t. I'm not talking about the abusive kind of shitty parents. I'm talking about the ones who don't allow you to do anything besides go to church, school, and sleep. They never did anything for him, and any time he made a mistake or bad grade... They did no kind of incouraging, never offered to help. Anytime he needed anything they told him they didn't have enough money. Which is crap. I've seen their bank statements. They refuse to help pay for our wedding because I'm not church of christ. Are those the kind of parents you want? Or would you like parents who actually cared for you? I mean those are just small examples it would take me too long to go through them all.
To a 16 year old boy who has had nothing but things like 'you're not good enough" or "why can't you be better?" fed to him all his life, why would you want to live? Why would you want to wake up in the morning to just here how crappy you are? I'm the only reason he is still around. Is because I love him. He also doesn't want to know his real parents. He has a really bad outlook on parents in general.
I'm not saying all adopted parents are like that, but I've never met anyone who liked their adopted parents. How valuable is life to someone who doesn't know how good life can be?

thats really all the energy that I have to debate for tonight. You guys keep in mind I do all my forum talking at about 2am my time. So sorry if my arguments have turned into ramblings. Sometimes its hard to focus this late at night.

after I read over this tomorrow. I'll finish up my argument if I even have anything more to say.