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 Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 11:42 am
To shed some light on some of the debates. Prior to the Heresy the Custodes were a fighting force and deployed to warzones to oversee the movements of the Space Marine Legions and special assignments given to them by the Emperor. While Custodes are NOT space marines, they do receive genetic alteration, and it is specualted that further enhancement beyond the original space marine program was introduced. It is also specualted that their genetic alterations stem from the DNA of the Emperor himself. Various sources have alluded to this, but actual facts have been lost since the time of thier creation.
The Custodes were only relegated to Terra AFTER the Heresy in order to protect the Emperor upon his encasement in the Golden Throne. The only time they have left the chamber since then was during the Age of Aposty, in order to end Goge Vandires Reign of Blood. The Captian of the Custodes meeting with the Daughters of the Emporer and the subsequent trial and elevation to Ecclesiarch of Sebastion Thor. They do have access to the same equipment and weaponry of the Space Marines, and their other weaponry were the prototypes for the weapons the Grey Knights now use.
The Grey Knights are far different from normal space marine chatpers. They use psychic sensitive recruits in thier program. Their geneseed does not stem from any of the loyalist founding chapters, nor from any Primarch. It is speculated that the surviving members that fled on the Eisenstein during the outbreak of the Heresy on Davin were used as the genetic templates for the Grey Knights. A few sources point to this, but as always, concrete evidence has been vague.
As to the Astronomicon, it was fuled by psykers upon its creation, and in the later stages of Heresy, during the initial seige of Terra, Malcador the Silgelite was placed into the Astronomicon in order to power it further to close off the Warp Gate on which the Golden Throne is built on. This was to prevent daemonic incursions into the throne room during the seige. After defeating Horus, the Golden Throne was activated and the Emporer was interred, thus becoming the new focal point to the Astronomicon, and hundred upon hundreds of psykers are placed into it daily to keep it, and the Emperor going.
Sources: The Lost and the Damned vol 1&2, Horus Heresy art books vol 1 to 3, Horus Heresy card game inserts (also found in the Horus Heresy art books), Codex Demonhunters, Warhammer 40k Compilation, Sisters of Battle Codex, Witchunters Codex
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 3:01 pm
TwelveRavens Sources: The Lost and the Damned vol 1&2 Hm. Realm of Chaos?
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 3:12 pm
FlashbackJon TwelveRavens Sources: The Lost and the Damned vol 1&2 Hm. Realm of Chaos? Those would be the ones, yes. First full list of the Grey Knights, which were a little weird in thier first incarnation. Also had alot of information on the Emporer, Cult of the Star Child (which has been destroyed, supposed Tzeentch cult..but who's to say the Inquisitors were telling the truth?), and the Sensei.
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:44 pm
Sorry, I was aware of that. I was just being somewhat of a d**k and pointing out that Lost and the Damned was only one of the two volumes. sweatdrop
Don't mind me. ninja
EDIT: I just went back and read the RoC account of the Horus Heresy - holy crap, how that has changed...
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:15 pm
FlashbackJon Sorry, I was aware of that. I was just being somewhat of a d**k and pointing out that Lost and the Damned was only one of the two volumes. sweatdrop Don't mind me. ninja EDIT: I just went back and read the RoC account of the Horus Heresy - holy crap, how that has changed... Accounts of the Heresy through various volumes has changed extensively, the first introduction of infantry into Epic, Space Marine, was tailored to fight the battles of the Heresy and it began the change for the rewrites of that time period. Its getting more and more fleshed out with the card game, art books, and the novels. I would love to see them do a book similar to the Sabbat Crusades book, and expand on some other things like the Custodes, the Sisters of Silence, and other obscure mentions that will annoy us for some time.
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 4:45 pm
according to what have read upon the heresy books, the primarches didnt really get snatched from the warp, the emperor was responsible for the primaches to get scattered, the reason why he scattered them was because he wanted his general's and legions to have their own separate personality.
also the custodians are not space marine in a way, they were the first altered men to be by the emperors side during the battle for Terra.
after the battle for Terra those who were in the emperors personal army were upgraded into the custodians, they heavily genetically advanced into a more better killing machine, however they arnt heavily armoured like the space marine(adeptus astartus) is.
i only just liked to point that out because of those stupid so called tales what was read up in the index astartus.
but however grey knights i dont like because in my view they arnt realy the great warriors of the inquisition, they believe in the emperor is a god nonsense, when really space marine don't even hardly believe the emperor is a god. as it was the emperors teaching that he didnt want to be worshiped as a god
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 2:01 am
Read the HORUS HERESY novels already!
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 4:29 pm
i have read them all, im now just reading the flight of the Eisenstein.
its awesome!!!! biggrin
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 11:00 am
Lt. Brookman Much to my surprise the third Horus Heresy novel features an Imperial timeline, counting the millennia and their designations. This dear readers, is OFFICIAL FLUFF.M 1-15: Age of Terra.Humanity dominates Earth. Civilisations come and go. The Solar system is colonised. Mankind lives on Mars and the moons of Jupiter, Saturn and Neptune. M 15-18: Age of Technology.Mankind begins to colonise the stars using sub-light spacecraft. At first only nearby systems can be reached and the colonies established on them must survive as independant states since they are seperated from Earth by up to ten generations of travel. M 18-22: Age of Technology.Invention of the warp-drive accelerates the colonisation of the galaxy. Federations and Empires are founded. First aliens encountered and first Alien Wars are fought. First human psykers begin to appear throughout human worlds. M 22-25: Age of Technology.First Navigators are born allowing human spaceships to make even longer, quicker warp-jumps. Mankind enters a golden age of enlightenment as scientific and idealogical progress accelerates. Human worlds unite and non-aggression pacts are secured with dozens of alien races. M 25-26: Age of Strife.Terrible warp-storm interrupt interstellar travel. Sporadic at first, the storms eventually prevent any warp jumps being made. The incidence of human mutation increases rapidly. Mankind enters a dark period of anarchy and despair. M 26-30: Age of Strife.Human worlds ripped apart by civil wars, revolt, alien predation and invasion. Human psykers and other mutants dominate some worlds and these rapidly fall prey to warp-creatures. Humanity is on the brink of destruction. M 30-present: Age of the Imperium.Earth is conquered by the Emperor and enters an alliance with the Mechanicum of Mars. Finally the warp-storms abate and interstellar travel is possible again. The Emperor builds the Astronomican and creates the Space Marine Legions. Human worlds reunited in a Great Crusade that lasts for two hundred years. Once again, not only do I rule but also, quit repeating the same story about the origins of the Emperor already.
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 9:06 am
Hmm, where does the Dark Age of Technology fit in, then?
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 10:43 am
M 18-22: Age of Technology.
Invention of the warp-drive accelerates the colonisation of the galaxy. Federations and Empires are founded. First aliens encountered and first Alien Wars are fought. First human psykers begin to appear throughout human worlds.
M 22-25: Age of Technology.
First Navigators are born allowing human spaceships to make even longer, quicker warp-jumps. Mankind enters a golden age of enlightenment as scientific and idealogical progress accelerates. Human worlds unite and non-aggression pacts are secured with dozens of alien races.
it is ironically considered dark age by Imperials who lost almost everything gained in the Age of Technology...
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 2:47 pm
the dark age of technology was actually the time before the age of technology.
also the dark age had begun on terra, not mars! however i do have interest alot about the dark age, because there is so much we dont know about, such as, how does the great powerful titan actually work, how doe the nerve system in the space marine power armor really work without going through shock?....etc
its a mystery, and a sad thing that we may never know the full secret of the great technology's that the emperor and the mechanicus have made......BLOODY TECH PRIEST! i blame it all on them!
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 3:51 pm
The adeptus Castodies are the emperors personal marine legion. They are the only mariens that see the emperor on a day to day bassis. No other not even the high lords of terra have set foot in the golden throne on a day to day bassis. That is fact one. Fact 2 is that the custodies never fought a major campiagn because they are the most deadly force out there. Dispite their small numbers, the custodies can exucite a planet invasion and finish in 1 hour tops. They are the best of the bset and alot of legions or now chapters have asked for them but they refuse because the emperor and him alone can command them.
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 5:26 pm
Commissar Gaunt The adeptus Castodies are the emperors personal marine legion. They are the only mariens that see the emperor on a day to day bassis. No other not even the high lords of terra have set foot in the golden throne on a day to day bassis. That is fact one. Fact 2 is that the custodies never fought a major campiagn because they are the most deadly force out there. Dispite their small numbers, the custodies can exucite a planet invasion and finish in 1 hour tops. They are the best of the bset and alot of legions or now chapters have asked for them but they refuse because the emperor and him alone can command them. The Custodes are not space marines, nor are they a Legion. The exact genetic alterations that the Custodes receive have'nt been fully detailed. The Custodes have not fought any major campaigns, because they were not meant too. They are the Emperors bodyguard. No imperial force can execute a planetary invasion and finish in one hour, thats a poor poor statement. Much less, the Custodes are not meant to perform such actions. Legions no longer exist, the Legion sized marine chapters were broken down to chapters after the Heresy, and they have not requested aid from the Custodes, some forces of the Imperium dont even know the Custodes exist.
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 3:47 pm
that is true, but i must also correct that the custodians did take part in many campaigns, such as the assault on prosperro, and also the time when jahbadi khan and sanguinius were in trouble fighting orks, the emperor came by to assist them in battle and only two custodians died in that battle.
my thought of the day "knowledge is power, guard it well"
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