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 Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 8:56 am
Knightgee Mr.Mxyzptlk Hey, just throwing this out there, but when Cell said he could blow up the solar system with his attack, do you thhink he meant he would take out the sun and the resultig explosion would wipe out the solar system? Like Brolly did? You can interpret it that way if you want, but even so, the average small star(our sun) is several hundred times larger than the Earth, if not even larger than that. Which means that he also planned on withstanding the resulting Supernova that would wipe out the solar system.
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 9:03 am
Mr.Mxyzptlk Knightgee Mr.Mxyzptlk Hey, just throwing this out there, but when Cell said he could blow up the solar system with his attack, do you thhink he meant he would take out the sun and the resultig explosion would wipe out the solar system? Like Brolly did? You can interpret it that way if you want, but even so, the average small star(our sun) is several hundred times larger than the Earth, if not even larger than that. Which means that he also planned on withstanding the resulting Supernova that would wipe out the solar system. But since that wasn't the case, he doesn't. I was just pointing out that the average star is a helluva lot larger than a planet, even when it's the smallest documented star. There is a huge difference in power between star busting and planet busting. Also, I don't get your scenario, since he could have just IT from the getgo and been safe in some far off galaxy.
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 9:16 am
Knightgee Dr Henry Pym Saiyan Master Vegeta @ Pym: Frieza blew up planets on a daily basis. He did it for fun. And when Vegeta blew up that planet, he didn't use a "special attack". He never said anything about it. He simply extented one finger, shot a beam, and the planet was toast. And Cell most definitely had the power to blow up the solar system. Not planet by planet, but with one Kamehameha. The one he used against Gohan.  Now for starters, Cell never got the chance to blow up the solar system because Gohan's over-powered his. That's why it never happened. And some would think that in such a case, Gohan's Kamehameha should have destroyed the solar system, but that's not the reality. Gohan let his beam drift off into outer space, and die out. On purpose. He's smart enough to know to not hit anything. Cell on the other hand, would have continued the beam until it hit something, considering his intentions. Secondly, Cell never lied once throughout the entire series. Thus, there's no reason for him to lie there either. Hell, Goku even took the time to warn Gohan about Cell's ability, meaning that he agreed with Cell. And Goku has used the Kamehameha the most out of anyone in the series, meaning that he out of all people would know what a Kamehameha is capable of. Therefore, Cell's words are true. Problem with that pic is... again I repeat did he actually back up his claim? about blowing up a Solar System? Uhhhhhh no he blew up King Kai's Planet, with a Self Destruct power. I could fight someone and bluster about being able to blow up SOLAR SYSTEMS guess what It means jack and spit until I back it up. You've still failed to show me when TV supes took a planet buster and got up like it was nothing. Furthermore, now you are just being stubborn. Saying Cell doesn't have the power is just your way of being an ignorant fanboy. He stated it himself and nothing contradicts his statement, so until something does it is more logical and intelligent to assume that he can do it. Just because Gohan overpowered him doesn't mean he can't destroy a solar system, it just means Gohan is stronger, and Goku has gotten stronger than that. He can blow up a solar system if he chooses, get over it. Even so, Supes still loses, since the act of blowing up a planet is a gesture to the likes of Goku and Vegeta, which means he wouldn't even need his full power to toast TV Supes. How pray tell would Superman lose when we have also proven that Superman moves faster, anything Goku throws can be dodged. You seem to think that Superman will stand there with his virtual thumb up his a** and do nothing while Goku sends energy attacks at him.
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 1:51 pm
Dr Henry Pym Problem with that pic is... again I repeat did he actually back up his claim? about blowing up a Solar System? Uhhhhhh no he blew up King Kai's Planet, with a Self Destruct power. I could fight someone and bluster about being able to blow up SOLAR SYSTEMS guess what It means jack and spit until I back it up. Pym, in court, it is quite often that there is not enough evidence to prove the defendant 100% guilty, correct? Therefore, you get witnesses to submit their opinion to help solve the case. And in this case, Cell is the defendant, and Goku is the witness. There is not 100% evidence to prove that Cell could nuke the solar system, but being a witness, Goku backs him up. Again, as I've said, Goku repeated to Gohan what Cell said, meaning that he agreed with Cell. And what's even more significant, Goku is the most frequent user of the Kamehameha wave. This means that out of anyone, he would know what the beam is capable of. Therefore, the majority of the evidence points to Cell actually being able to do what he said. Again, he never had the chance to because Gohan's beam stopped his. It's not like he had the chance but failed.
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 1:58 pm
Mr.Mxyzptlk I'm sorry, but all of DBZ contradicts itself. In all canonical history of this series, only 3 characters has shown the ability to actually destroy a heavenly body. And they are Master Roshi, Frieza and Majin Buu. Cell never showed the capability to annihlate a solar system. Just becase he said it and he was never shown to really lie in the series and all the Z fighters agreed, but there is still the point he never showed the ability to do so. Just throwing this out there . . . Piccolo vaped the moon when training Gohan.
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 5:36 pm
Knightgee Mr.Mxyzptlk Knightgee Mr.Mxyzptlk Hey, just throwing this out there, but when Cell said he could blow up the solar system with his attack, do you thhink he meant he would take out the sun and the resultig explosion would wipe out the solar system? Like Brolly did? You can interpret it that way if you want, but even so, the average small star(our sun) is several hundred times larger than the Earth, if not even larger than that. Which means that he also planned on withstanding the resulting Supernova that would wipe out the solar system. But since that wasn't the case, he doesn't. I was just pointing out that the average star is a helluva lot larger than a planet, even when it's the smallest documented star. There is a huge difference in power between star busting and planet busting. Also, I don't get your scenario, since he could have just IT from the getgo and been safe in some far off galaxy.
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 5:41 pm
Saiyan Master Vegeta Mr.Mxyzptlk I'm sorry, but all of DBZ contradicts itself. In all canonical history of this series, only 3 characters has shown the ability to actually destroy a heavenly body. And they are Master Roshi, Frieza and Majin Buu. Cell never showed the capability to annihlate a solar system. Just becase he said it and he was never shown to really lie in the series and all the Z fighters agreed, but there is still the point he never showed the ability to do so. Just throwing this out there . . . Piccolo vaped the moon when training Gohan.
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 6:28 pm
In the manga he SBC'd the mood. I always thought the anime had it as the pod due to that being censored (for some dumb reason) in America.
Wouldn't blowing up the moon be bad for some reason? It's not my field of expertise, but....yeah.
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 7:24 pm
Mr.Mxyzptlk Saiyan Master Vegeta Mr.Mxyzptlk I'm sorry, but all of DBZ contradicts itself. In all canonical history of this series, only 3 characters has shown the ability to actually destroy a heavenly body. And they are Master Roshi, Frieza and Majin Buu. Cell never showed the capability to annihlate a solar system. Just becase he said it and he was never shown to really lie in the series and all the Z fighters agreed, but there is still the point he never showed the ability to do so. Just throwing this out there . . . Piccolo vaped the moon when training Gohan. OK the old turtle Hurmit vaped a moon. When fighting with Ape Goku. I still think that they never learn all of his skills. Or why there never use his Lighting attack that he used on Goku.
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 8:47 pm
Mr.Mxyzptlk Saiyan Master Vegeta Mr.Mxyzptlk I'm sorry, but all of DBZ contradicts itself. In all canonical history of this series, only 3 characters has shown the ability to actually destroy a heavenly body. And they are Master Roshi, Frieza and Majin Buu. Cell never showed the capability to annihlate a solar system. Just becase he said it and he was never shown to really lie in the series and all the Z fighters agreed, but there is still the point he never showed the ability to do so. Just throwing this out there . . . Piccolo vaped the moon when training Gohan. I'm pretty sure I recall him aiming at the moon, shooting off a beam, and then showing Gohan reverting back to his normal form. I'll try to hunt down a manga scan some time soon.
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 9:19 pm
Mr.Mxyzptlk Saiyan Master Vegeta Mr.Mxyzptlk I'm sorry, but all of DBZ contradicts itself. In all canonical history of this series, only 3 characters has shown the ability to actually destroy a heavenly body. And they are Master Roshi, Frieza and Majin Buu. Cell never showed the capability to annihlate a solar system. Just becase he said it and he was never shown to really lie in the series and all the Z fighters agreed, but there is still the point he never showed the ability to do so. Just throwing this out there . . . Piccolo vaped the moon when training Gohan. ...Master Roshi Destroyed the moon in Dragonball. How much weaker than Goku or Piccolo was Roshi by DBZ Mxy...
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 9:21 pm
Envoy15 In the manga he SBC'd the mood. I always thought the anime had it as the pod due to that being censored (for some dumb reason) in America. Wouldn't blowing up the moon be bad for some reason? It's not my field of expertise, but....yeah. Destruction of the Moon would cause some damage, since it controls the Tides of the Earth.
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 11:28 pm
Ok, let me explain this whole moon thing. In Dragon ball during the first tournament when Goku was fighting Roshi, Roshi, as we have already established, destroyed the moon. Several yers later Kami agrees to bring back the moon in extange for Goku permanatly giving up his tail. Flash forward to when Piccolo trains Gohan. On the first night of Gohan's month in the wilderness Gohan goes into his ape form and Picolo destroys the moon in order to change him back. Flash forward again to when Piccolo is actualy training Gohan, after the month in the wilderness. Gohan turns into his ape form again. Piccolo is confused becaquse he had already blown up the moon thus halting Gohan's transformation. He then sees the moon and, thinking what the hell, trys to destroy it again, but the blast goes straight trough. Realizing that it's a hologram, Piccolo finds the source, Goku's pod, and destroyeys it. http://www.pojo.com/dragonball/EpisodeSummaries/usdbz/USdbz5GohansMetamorph.shtmlhttp://www.pojo.com/dragonball/EpisodeSummaries/usdbz/USdbz12EndofSnakeway.shtmlThe second one(with the pod and the hologram) might be a filler. I don't know for sure and it doesn't realy matter. @Pym-We establihed that Superman is faster than Goku?! Where!? @Enigma master-So Superman holds back in fights when he's getting the crap kicked out of him by someone stronger than he currently is, or when it could potentialy mean the end of the world because he didn't use his full powers? And what about the time when he was controlled by Darksied, or the times he has his "anger issues" and loses it? And if Superman realy does always hold back, doesn't that mean he would hold back against Goku as well for risk of being out of character?
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Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 6:35 am
For alittle yes he would hold back but that would soon stop once he saw what Goku was capable of and that he would't die from takeing his strongest hits. Also is Goku going to go all out? You people claim he'd use these planet busting attacks. But would Goku use them against someone who was't evil, also at the risk of being out of character? Unless Superman threatened to destroy the Earth like most of Goku's enemy's did then it really does't matter if he'd be able to destroy a planet or not because he would't unleash it in the first place.
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Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 8:52 am
Um, Goku ain't gonna hold back his planet busting attacks when he sees the only other guy in sight punch him through a mountain.
If Superman attacks Goku, then Goku's going to react with force. And it will eventually escalate to the point where Goku brings out the planet busting attacks.
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