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 Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 9:17 pm
Striking the throat and neck are no-no's unless you have a good lawyer. Of course sometimes someone has no choice, trouble has a tendency to attract bigger trouble.
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 11:32 pm
well, as far as neck strikes go.. one might imagine that it would be hard to consider the consequences with clear foresight, or even to think back upon previous thoughts on neck strikes in the heat of the moment.
that said, i still think they're a bad idea.
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 12:21 pm
For someone that's usually fighting someone much bigger, like me, you get in any cheap shot you can, including the neck. Not hard but a sideways chop towards the neck isn't so much a strike itself as a distraction, and to set the other's body in a position where you can pull another move even more effectively. For example, striking the neck in a certain way depending on how your body is relative to your opponent's, might cause their natural reaction to bend backwards to avoid the strike. There, if again in the right position, they might bend back enough that their balance is compromise, then you may be able to sweep them off their feet.
Another note, and this was learned in a woman's self defense class. Do not go for the nuts unless it's last restort, especially in some sort of grab (the classic, yank, twist then pull). Guys have a natural instinct to protect there and have very good reaction rates. All they have to do is squeeze their knees together and twist their hips slightly in order to avoid any grab to the family jewels. If caught in a hold, shins are a much better target.
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 1:37 pm
Another note, and this was learned in a woman's self defense class. Do not go for the nuts unless it's last restort, especially in some sort of grab (the classic, yank, twist then pull). Guys have a natural instinct to protect there and have very good reaction rates. All they have to do is squeeze their knees together and twist their hips slightly in order to avoid any grab to the family jewels. If caught in a hold, shins are a much better target.
Very well said, us guys are so ready for that.
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:37 pm
Guess I haven't posted my word yet.
FELINE
Everyone in the dojo has suffered under my unconscious wrath. You throw me, I cling on crazy like a cat to support my own weight. Also, I will scratch. Sensei often complains that I'm leaving scratch marks that his wife will be suspicious of later. That and I'm fast and working towards learning to land so that even thrown, I land on all fours to enable me to get up quickly again.
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 8:33 pm
Lunaries For someone that's usually fighting someone much bigger, like me, you get in any cheap shot you can, including the neck. Not hard but a sideways chop towards the neck isn't so much a strike itself as a distraction, and to set the other's body in a position where you can pull another move even more effectively. For example, striking the neck in a certain way depending on how your body is relative to your opponent's, might cause their natural reaction to bend backwards to avoid the strike. There, if again in the right position, they might bend back enough that their balance is compromise, then you may be able to sweep them off their feet. Another note, and this was learned in a woman's self defense class. Do not go for the nuts unless it's last restort, especially in some sort of grab (the classic, yank, twist then pull). Guys have a natural instinct to protect there and have very good reaction rates. All they have to do is squeeze their knees together and twist their hips slightly in order to avoid any grab to the family jewels. If caught in a hold, shins are a much better target. I think most of us were talking about striking to the throat and back of the head.. the side of the neck would be more of the... traps?
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 9:34 pm
Yea a clear throat blow is what makes you serve time.
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 9:35 pm
Mirko_Filipovic I think most of us were talking about striking to the throat and back of the head.. the side of the neck would be more of the... traps? Ah okay, I might have missed that and not read further back, sorry. Traps? Not sure what you mean. I was thinking of an open palm strike as a distraction of a sort.
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:14 pm
Lunaries Mirko_Filipovic I think most of us were talking about striking to the throat and back of the head.. the side of the neck would be more of the... traps? Ah okay, I might have missed that and not read further back, sorry. Traps? Not sure what you mean. I was thinking of an open palm strike as a distraction of a sort. umm that muscle.. it's rather hard to explain what it looks like... it's umm the lumps on the side of the neck?
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:27 pm
I know what your talking about got it.
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:51 pm
Flowing, the new style the im studying (Systema) is continous, simple, an streetsmart althoug it may seem otherwise, I have tested it an it works.
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 11:27 pm
Mirko_Filipovic Lunaries Mirko_Filipovic I think most of us were talking about striking to the throat and back of the head.. the side of the neck would be more of the... traps? Ah okay, I might have missed that and not read further back, sorry. Traps? Not sure what you mean. I was thinking of an open palm strike as a distraction of a sort. umm that muscle.. it's rather hard to explain what it looks like... it's umm the lumps on the side of the neck? Well it depends on position. Sometimes you can atemi straight for the front as well. Afterall, in self defense, we were taught to go for the adam's apple.
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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 9:35 am
Mirko_Filipovic Lunaries Mirko_Filipovic I think most of us were talking about striking to the throat and back of the head.. the side of the neck would be more of the... traps? Ah okay, I might have missed that and not read further back, sorry. Traps? Not sure what you mean. I was thinking of an open palm strike as a distraction of a sort. umm that muscle.. it's rather hard to explain what it looks like... it's umm the lumps on the side of the neck? Yeah I know the ones, got the motor nerves running through them. Thats what you're supposed to squeeze with a sleeper hold (I think thats what its called, an arm around their neck from behind, squeezing both sides of the neck) yes? Knock someone out in about seven seconds apparently, tho I've never had the opportunity to test that
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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 1:28 pm
If I hadn't finished taking a cpr course today, I wouldn't have known what traps was. But yeah, it's the muscles on the side of the neck/shoulder. You grab on to them, and hold your arms against the side of the head, to prevent movement in case of a spinal injury.
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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 3:12 pm
DarklingGlory Yeah I know the ones, got the motor nerves running through them. Thats what you're supposed to squeeze with a sleeper hold (I think thats what its called, an arm around their neck from behind, squeezing both sides of the neck) yes? Knock someone out in about seven seconds apparently, tho I've never had the opportunity to test that That one I know about. Have suffered under it though not enough to faint. We've had others loose consciousness from it quick enough though so yeah, it definitely works.
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