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Forgedawn
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 4:40 am


Pistil
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Pistil
Forgedawn
Chill, kids... So Pistil didn't know... I didn't know what a case was till after I started learning Russian, and I didn't really get it until E.I. kinda-sorta explained it. Maybe we should put these things in the conlang references thread or a similar thread. None of us were born knowing these words!
Pistil doesn't know a LOT of things regarding languages. crying

I only do after extensive study. sweatdrop
I think I've said this elsewhere but:

I know what a noun is! But I have no clue what verb, adjective, etc. are. sweatdrop

It's not even that I've forgotten things taught in school - it's that I was never taught these things in the first place. I do have one memory of nouns and things at school - but I only remember it because I had no clue what I was doing and wondering why they weren't telling us what these words meant. Yet we were somehow supposed to 'underline the verb in this sentence'.


Well, N & V are up on the conlang refs thread.
adjectives are words that describe nouns
adverbs are words that describe verbs, adjectives, or other adverbs (that sounds weird at first, I suppose, but for example, he ran very quickly--ran is the verb, very is an adv. describing quickly, which describes ran.
So yeah... I should put this in the refs thread as well
PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:55 am


sweatdrop My goodness. I learned a lot of this stuff a few years ago or a long while ago.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 2:22 pm


Hermonie Urameshi
sweatdrop My goodness. I learned a lot of this stuff a few years ago or a long while ago.


...I live in a state where schools don't teach crap about the English language. One of my roomies last year didn't know any of this either.

Apparently, I went to the ONLY elementary school that taught English grammar. I remember being mortified when a girl behind me in 8th grade English said, "Umm... what's a predicate noun??"

I learned more technical stuff about grammar (cases, names of complicated tenses) in foreign language class, but most of the stuff I already knew.

See, sentence mapping IS good for you!! biggrin

They went to the store.

They/went
..........to|store
.....................|the

So much fun biggrin

Edit: I kept trying to get the to show up for that, but it wouldn't, so I'm using | instead.
PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 6:26 pm


Adverbs have completely confused me since I started learning Russian and learned that "po-russki" was an adverb.

Just what is an adverb? It seems to be the most elusive category.

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Forgedawn
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 8:30 pm


Eccentric Iconoclast
Adverbs have completely confused me since I started learning Russian and learned that "po-russki" was an adverb.

Just what is an adverb? It seems to be the most elusive category.


Forgedawn
adverbs are words that describe verbs, adjectives, or other adverbs (that sounds weird at first, I suppose, but for example, he ran very quickly--ran is the verb, very is an adv. describing quickly, which describes ran.


I guess they're a little different in Russian... so po-russki would be like speaking "Russianly" rofl

I dunno
PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 9:56 pm


Forgedawn
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sweatdrop My goodness. I learned a lot of this stuff a few years ago or a long while ago.


...I live in a state where schools don't teach crap about the English language. One of my roomies last year didn't know any of this either.

Apparently, I went to the ONLY elementary school that taught English grammar. I remember being mortified when a girl behind me in 8th grade English said, "Umm... what's a predicate noun??"

I learned more technical stuff about grammar (cases, names of complicated tenses) in foreign language class, but most of the stuff I already knew.

See, sentence mapping IS good for you!! biggrin

They went to the store.

They/went
..........to|store
.....................|the

So much fun biggrin

Edit: I kept trying to get the to show up for that, but it wouldn't, so I'm using | instead.
I live in Canada.

By grade 3 my sister knew more than I did (I was already in high school) and was already critiquing my sentences. I was also never taught punctuation so now I'm scared to use semi-colons. xd

Pistil


Forgedawn
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:43 am


Pistil
Forgedawn
Hermonie Urameshi
sweatdrop My goodness. I learned a lot of this stuff a few years ago or a long while ago.


...I live in a state where schools don't teach crap about the English language. One of my roomies last year didn't know any of this either.

Apparently, I went to the ONLY elementary school that taught English grammar. I remember being mortified when a girl behind me in 8th grade English said, "Umm... what's a predicate noun??"

I learned more technical stuff about grammar (cases, names of complicated tenses) in foreign language class, but most of the stuff I already knew.

See, sentence mapping IS good for you!! biggrin

They went to the store.

They/went
..........to|store
.....................|the

So much fun biggrin

Edit: I kept trying to get the to show up for that, but it wouldn't, so I'm using | instead.
I live in Canada.

By grade 3 my sister knew more than I did (I was already in high school) and was already critiquing my sentences. I was also never taught punctuation so now I'm scared to use semi-colons. xd


Semicolons are for places where it's appropriate to make a new sentence, but it would seem awkward; these are what make my writing seem long and confusing but can also be useful for flow.
My speech teacher (I used to breathe in the middle of my words because I"d run out of air midsentence rofl so they sent me to speech class) basically summed up punctuation this way:
no punctuation: keep going
comma: brief pause for air, just gives a break between ideas without really stopping
semicolon: like a big comma--it's more divisive, but still not a full break from topic
period: pause as long as a semicolon, but it's more likely to completely change teh topic.

I should probably make some easier-to-understand lessons on this somewhere--I know too much of this stuff xd
PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 12:07 pm


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Just what is an adverb? It seems to be the most elusive category.


Description of how a verb is performed, such as quickly, sharply, stupidly... anything ending in -ly. Similar to French -ement and Spanish/Italian -amente.

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Pistil

PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:09 pm


Forgedawn
Pistil
Forgedawn
Hermonie Urameshi
sweatdrop My goodness. I learned a lot of this stuff a few years ago or a long while ago.


...I live in a state where schools don't teach crap about the English language. One of my roomies last year didn't know any of this either.

Apparently, I went to the ONLY elementary school that taught English grammar. I remember being mortified when a girl behind me in 8th grade English said, "Umm... what's a predicate noun??"

I learned more technical stuff about grammar (cases, names of complicated tenses) in foreign language class, but most of the stuff I already knew.

See, sentence mapping IS good for you!! biggrin

They went to the store.

They/went
..........to|store
.....................|the

So much fun biggrin

Edit: I kept trying to get the to show up for that, but it wouldn't, so I'm using | instead.
I live in Canada.

By grade 3 my sister knew more than I did (I was already in high school) and was already critiquing my sentences. I was also never taught punctuation so now I'm scared to use semi-colons. xd


Semicolons are for places where it's appropriate to make a new sentence, but it would seem awkward; these are what make my writing seem long and confusing but can also be useful for flow.
My speech teacher (I used to breathe in the middle of my words because I"d run out of air midsentence rofl so they sent me to speech class) basically summed up punctuation this way:
no punctuation: keep going
comma: brief pause for air, just gives a break between ideas without really stopping
semicolon: like a big comma--it's more divisive, but still not a full break from topic
period: pause as long as a semicolon, but it's more likely to completely change teh topic.

I should probably make some easier-to-understand lessons on this somewhere--I know too much of this stuff xd
See that makes sense, and is sort of how I try to write.

I remember in grade 10 my teacher came up to me with the short story I had just handed in. He basically told me to buy a punctuation book because I use too many commas. So now I avoid using commas. XD

How the above would have looked in grade 10:

I remember in grade 10, my teacher came up to me, with the short story I had just handed in, and basically told me to buy a punctuation book, because I use too many commas. So now, I avoid using commas. XD
PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 9:27 am


Pistil
Forgedawn
Pistil
Forgedawn
Hermonie Urameshi
sweatdrop My goodness. I learned a lot of this stuff a few years ago or a long while ago.


...I live in a state where schools don't teach crap about the English language. One of my roomies last year didn't know any of this either.

Apparently, I went to the ONLY elementary school that taught English grammar. I remember being mortified when a girl behind me in 8th grade English said, "Umm... what's a predicate noun??"

I learned more technical stuff about grammar (cases, names of complicated tenses) in foreign language class, but most of the stuff I already knew.

See, sentence mapping IS good for you!! biggrin

They went to the store.

They/went
..........to|store
.....................|the

So much fun biggrin

Edit: I kept trying to get the to show up for that, but it wouldn't, so I'm using | instead.
I live in Canada.

By grade 3 my sister knew more than I did (I was already in high school) and was already critiquing my sentences. I was also never taught punctuation so now I'm scared to use semi-colons. xd


Semicolons are for places where it's appropriate to make a new sentence, but it would seem awkward; these are what make my writing seem long and confusing but can also be useful for flow.
My speech teacher (I used to breathe in the middle of my words because I"d run out of air midsentence rofl so they sent me to speech class) basically summed up punctuation this way:
no punctuation: keep going
comma: brief pause for air, just gives a break between ideas without really stopping
semicolon: like a big comma--it's more divisive, but still not a full break from topic
period: pause as long as a semicolon, but it's more likely to completely change teh topic.

I should probably make some easier-to-understand lessons on this somewhere--I know too much of this stuff xd
See that makes sense, and is sort of how I try to write.

I remember in grade 10 my teacher came up to me with the short story I had just handed in. He basically told me to buy a punctuation book because I use too many commas. So now I avoid using commas. XD

How the above would have looked in grade 10:

I remember in grade 10, my teacher came up to me, with the short story I had just handed in, and basically told me to buy a punctuation book, because I use too many commas. So now, I avoid using commas. XD


Correction on both:

I remember in grade 10, my teacher came up to me with the short story I had just handed in and basically told me to buy a punctuation book because I had too many commas. So, now I avoid usingn commas.

Changing the subject is a good reason to add a comma (I think there's a more general reason for it, but I don't know everything razz ), as in the first part of the first sentence. Generally when written, words like "so" that are usually said rather than written get a comma, even though they're not said that way >.< it's a little weird, but that's how it's done.

Anyways

Forgedawn
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Pistil

PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 3:02 pm


Forgedawn
Pistil
Forgedawn
Pistil
Forgedawn
Hermonie Urameshi
sweatdrop My goodness. I learned a lot of this stuff a few years ago or a long while ago.


...I live in a state where schools don't teach crap about the English language. One of my roomies last year didn't know any of this either.

Apparently, I went to the ONLY elementary school that taught English grammar. I remember being mortified when a girl behind me in 8th grade English said, "Umm... what's a predicate noun??"

I learned more technical stuff about grammar (cases, names of complicated tenses) in foreign language class, but most of the stuff I already knew.

See, sentence mapping IS good for you!! biggrin

They went to the store.

They/went
..........to|store
.....................|the

So much fun biggrin

Edit: I kept trying to get the to show up for that, but it wouldn't, so I'm using | instead.
I live in Canada.

By grade 3 my sister knew more than I did (I was already in high school) and was already critiquing my sentences. I was also never taught punctuation so now I'm scared to use semi-colons. xd


Semicolons are for places where it's appropriate to make a new sentence, but it would seem awkward; these are what make my writing seem long and confusing but can also be useful for flow.
My speech teacher (I used to breathe in the middle of my words because I"d run out of air midsentence rofl so they sent me to speech class) basically summed up punctuation this way:
no punctuation: keep going
comma: brief pause for air, just gives a break between ideas without really stopping
semicolon: like a big comma--it's more divisive, but still not a full break from topic
period: pause as long as a semicolon, but it's more likely to completely change teh topic.

I should probably make some easier-to-understand lessons on this somewhere--I know too much of this stuff xd
See that makes sense, and is sort of how I try to write.

I remember in grade 10 my teacher came up to me with the short story I had just handed in. He basically told me to buy a punctuation book because I use too many commas. So now I avoid using commas. XD

How the above would have looked in grade 10:

I remember in grade 10, my teacher came up to me, with the short story I had just handed in, and basically told me to buy a punctuation book, because I use too many commas. So now, I avoid using commas. XD


Correction on both:

I remember in grade 10, my teacher came up to me with the short story I had just handed in and basically told me to buy a punctuation book because I had too many commas. So, now I avoid usingn commas.

Changing the subject is a good reason to add a comma (I think there's a more general reason for it, but I don't know everything razz ), as in the first part of the first sentence. Generally when written, words like "so" that are usually said rather than written get a comma, even though they're not said that way >.< it's a little weird, but that's how it's done.

Anyways
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My punctuation sucks, but I don't deny it.

I generally do better when I don't try, if that makes sense.

It's where I get the most marks taken off when I write essays, which I why I went into the sciences. I've yet to see a professor who can spell decently never mind know punctuation.
PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 6:18 pm


くそっ...All my schools were bad and I still learned that stuff.Homeschooling is so much better.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 12:15 pm


Hermonie Urameshi
くそっ...All my schools were bad and I still learned that stuff.Homeschooling is so much better.


If I had been homeschooled... eek / burning_eyes

I would've finished grad school already, probably.
English and Literature from my mother, spelling from the sheer amount of books I read anyway, math, science, history, and random stuff from my father.

Foreign language, though... I'd be on my own, but I still probably would've gotten into it much sooner. I also would have developed other conlangs
But kintarasesa wouldn't exist; half hte reason it does is a friend from middle school rofl
She's on this forum now, but hasn't said anything, I don't think.
PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 2:32 pm


Forgedawn
Hermonie Urameshi
くそっ...All my schools were bad and I still learned that stuff.Homeschooling is so much better.


If I had been homeschooled... eek / burning_eyes

I would've finished grad school already, probably.
English and Literature from my mother, spelling from the sheer amount of books I read anyway, math, science, history, and random stuff from my father.

Foreign language, though... I'd be on my own, but I still probably would've gotten into it much sooner. I also would have developed other conlangs
But kintarasesa wouldn't exist; half hte reason it does is a friend from middle school rofl
She's on this forum now, but hasn't said anything, I don't think.


I would have loved to have been homeschooled from the beginning, but that didn't work. I learn all sorts of math and science from our dad (when he's around). I could learn Spanish from my mom and others on my own. Same for science. As for everything else, that would be hard.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:32 am


I know I'm a little late with this, but...

Adverbs are undoubtedly one of the trickier parts of any language.

Even my German professor admitted that one of the main problems for her when learning English was the adverbs. Prepositions bothered her too, but not as much.

I think the best way to describe what an adverb is "something that describes something that isn't a noun".

Also, when I was in regular school (before college, I mean), my English teachers could never accurately describe just WHAT these different sentence-part things were.

I only just realized what a "predicate adjective" is in my German class this semester. I've known it all along, but I didn't know it was called that. I understand most of the basic concepts of language (many foreign ones, too), I just don't know all the terminology.


---One more thing about adverbs, they're not always single words. I learned in German that you can have "adverbs of time" in addition to "adverbs of manner". In German, you might say "Montags gehe ich einkaufen." or "On Mondays I go shopping." How is that an adverb? Well "on Mondays" is an adverbial phrase of time, and you can also think of it as "weekly" or ... "I go shopping weekly" but you're specifying that it's on Mondays that you go shopping... Either way, "weekly" and "On Mondays" are still adverbs of time that modify the verb "go" (in this case, "go shopping"). That's how my professor explained it. I may not be correct. sweatdrop

Does anyone get that? I think I may have rambled a bit.
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