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 Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 11:16 pm
I don't want to be of any trouble because once I start defending SasuSaku I can go on for ages so I shall sum up my thoughts on your post, omfgitsme.
I don't see some sort of fact that 12 year olds are incapable of falling in love/knowing what it feels like to be love. If Sakura stayed with him no matter what, knowing about his 'must avenge family' and about Orochimaru and yet still at the very end cry out she loves Sasuke and would leave her family and friends behind just to help me then I'd say she knows what shes talking about. Shes not a stupid little girl who will always mistaken her silly crush at the beginning for love, her crush developed and she knows it and yelled it out.
And um yes. By begging Sasuke to stay, she wanted him to be happy.
I mean, revenge isn't the happiest thing in the world to be working to reach for the rest of you life. She was trying to save him from the darkness hes been in for so long. Did you see Sasuke smilling with utter joy as he continues on to Orochimarus place? Didn't think so.
Anyway going with your reasons. That means ALL the other pairings are completely destroyed.
If 12 years old don't know love then..
Lee didn't 'really' love Sakura.
Naruto didn't 'really' love Sakura.
Hinata didn't 'really' love Naruto.
My my, there goes LeeSaku, NaruSaku and NaruHina (Nooes not NaruHina ;_; But I need to prove a point xD)
Sorry that really wasn't a short sum up of my thoughts was it? T__T
And I don't think I was flaming you in anyway, but if you see it like that, very sorry.
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Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 2:45 am
Cherrihana I don't want to be of any trouble because once I start defending SasuSaku I can go on for ages so I shall sum up my thoughts on your post, omfgitsme.
I don't see some sort of fact that 12 year olds are incapable of falling in love/knowing what it feels like to be love. If Sakura stayed with him no matter what, knowing about his 'must avenge family' and about Orochimaru and yet still at the very end cry out she loves Sasuke and would leave her family and friends behind just to help me then I'd say she knows what shes talking about. Shes not a stupid little girl who will always mistaken her silly crush at the beginning for love, her crush developed and she knows it and yelled it out.
And um yes. By begging Sasuke to stay, she wanted him to be happy.
I mean, revenge isn't the happiest thing in the world to be working to reach for the rest of you life. She was trying to save him from the darkness hes been in for so long. Did you see Sasuke smilling with utter joy as he continues on to Orochimarus place? Didn't think so.
Anyway going with your reasons. That means ALL the other pairings are completely destroyed.
If 12 years old don't know love then..
Lee didn't 'really' love Sakura.
Naruto didn't 'really' love Sakura.
Hinata didn't 'really' love Naruto.
My my, there goes LeeSaku, NaruSaku and NaruHina (Nooes not NaruHina ;_; But I need to prove a point xD)
Sorry that really wasn't a short sum up of my thoughts was it? T__T
And I don't think I was flaming you in anyway, but if you see it like that, very sorry. But still. I dont belive Lee 'loves' Sakura and Naruto doesnt 'love' Sakura and Hinata doesnt 'love' Naruto, yet of corse. If tehy loved that eprson then would they want to be loved back? Once the person that the person is 'loving' atucally comes around to atucally loving the otehr person back then it could be concidered love, intstead of a crush. They are still 12 of corse. The pairing could change in a term or 5 years. Shikamaru could be with Tenten, or Hinata could be with Kiba, or Shino could be with a tree with sap. Its just a matter of time before they relize its useless mabey and just go on with life untill the otehr person comes around to loving them back. Like Naruto and Hinata after he get jealous of Kiba and Hinata dating ninja Kairi-Love comes and goes lind the wind. She probably didnt know what she was getting into and Sasuke was just triyng to help her, as a friend. Sure he said 'Thank you' to her for her atucally carring for him, but that doesnt want to make him 'love' her back. If he really did 'love' her then why did he leave Konoha and just stay with her? He could of easly have gotten strong in Konoha with the help of other people, like Jryaiya or Tsunade. This was jsut me defending my post. This is atucally sort of fun biggrin
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:09 am
Well actually towards the end of Part 1 aren't they 13? Anyway, thats not the point..
If you love someone, of course you'd want to be loved back whether you openly admit it or not. And just because Sasuke doesn't love Sakura back, doesn't mean Sakura's feelings aren't considered love. And in the manga I might add, they are like 15 and in the databook for Sakura's profile it said, "Her passion for Sasuke is unchanging" therefore thats 2.5 years that Sakura hadn't seen Sasuke yet she still had feelings for him.
Thats not a simple crush. Atleast from what I can tell.
The show isn't about simply giving up, Sakura isn't going to just drop her love for Sasuke because it seemed 'useless'. If she did, then she never loved him to begin with. I think Sakura is completely devoted to Sasuke and will not just move on just because. I also disagree on KibaHina, I and about...80% that KibaHina wont happen and if it does I seriously doubt Naruto would be jealous. If KibaHina happened, NaruHina would be dead to me and if Hinata suddenly moves from Kiba to Naruto I will lose all respect for her.
Noes, not another Sasuke leaving Konoha thing. x_X I hate explaining this, perhaps I should just copy and paste what I said in the debate thread at the SasuSaku guild.Cherrihana Right then, so Sasuke was really young when his clan was massacred. Of course to you people out there that gives him no reason to have grown up all anti-social, to me he grew up the way I would've grew up had that happened to me at such a young age. So what if Naruto was all happy and energetic despite always being hated? I don't want every character to freaking be the same, theres a difference between Naruto and Sasuke and they handle different situations in different ways. And Sasuke had it far worse IMO. Besides, how did he know that he was going to become close to Sakura, Naruto and Kakashi and be a part of Team 7 back then? He didn't.
His ambition was to get revenge on Itachi and it always has been even before Team 7 was formed. What do you expect? Revenge has been stuck in his head for god knows how long. He even tried to think that his future was to stay with Team 7 and just do missions with them, thats what he said in chapter 181 but he decided on revenge in the end. I can understand that since revenge was his goal and it must've made him uneasy to just stay in Konoha knowing Itachi is out there somewhere. You've got to see it from Sasuke's POV sometimes. rolleyes
And yeah...Go SasuSaku! heart
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:20 am
Heh, you made some good points in there, but Kiba/Hinata IS possible out there like every otehr couple.
And you bring up a good point in the part 2 saga of Naruto. Didnt Sakura, Atucally meet him again after those two and a half years with an intent to fight him?Blanked for major spoiler. If you are going to respond with she did it to help him, I really see no point in that. Sure she had and intent to atucally *want* to fight him first time with anger torwards him. That pretty much sums up taht right there.
And about the Sasuke thing, sure he was really young when his clan died. It would freak out anyone at his age, seeing your parents and family die before your eyes. He wanted revenge against Itachi, by any means necesarry. He did try, and revenge did it to him. Revenge casues bad things to good people. If he went to Theropy instead of training that might of not happend, but of coarse, stuff like that wont happen will it. Thats not exciting what so ever and that wouldnt make any of the girls like him as much anymoren since hes not as cold hearted and bad. He probably went crazy by the time he was 12-13 holding in that anger for so long wanting to get it out. So he went to Orochamaru for help, not carign what happend to everyone else in the process, exept for that little bit to the people hes close to, and still he puts that in the back of his head just so he can kill Itachi. If he wanted to he probably could of kept that little bit in the front of his head, and stayed in Konoha and made that little bit bigger with Sakura.
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:02 am
I didn't say KibaHina was impossible, if I did I would have said 100%
Yes she had an intent to fight him 'with her owns powers'. I mean surely after episode 109 she therefore thought words would not be able to snap Sasuke out of his 'must get revenge' state. That was a major reason that Sakura decided to become Tsunades student and train for 2.5 years to save Sasuke along with Naruto with her own powers. About Sakura fighting Sasuke with anger, I seriously don't blame her if she was indeed angry. She may love Sasuke (IMO) but he hurt both Naruto and herself. But I see no anger in her statement, "I will stop Sasuke-kun with my own power!" Her face was of determination, I saw no anger whatsoever. But I guess its up to how you interpret the scene.
Can you get theropy in their world? >>; I'm not quite sure about that, but thinking of Sasuke taking theropy brings up a very big OOC situation. On to the point, I certainly don't like Sasuke because hes 'cold hearted and bad' (..Define bad? Like badass?) Its because hes different to Naruto even though they both grew up being lonely. He is his own character. He makes the series interesting, and makes people like us debate about it.
And I want to quote Gaara and Lee on something he said that reminds me of Sakura and Sasuke and its just awesome.
Lee: "Then don't take a bad person as your important person!"
Gaara: "No...Even if you knew they were evil...People can't escape loneliness."
I just think the concept and whole idea of the SasuSaku pairing is appealing, saddening with heartbreaking moments and its just beautiful.
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:12 pm
Yeah, that scene depends on how you look at that situation, and I belive it was anger torwards him, and I belive she got help from tsuande becasue she made a promis to Naruto to help bring back Sasuke, and promises take a large role in the world of Naruto.
And theorpy mgiht not be OOC in that world. What if he did in deed go with theorpy. Then the whole situatoin of leaving Konoha would be OOC. And I do mean Badass. Generally younger girls would rahter have the 'badboy' rather than the 'good guy', for Sasuke played the 'badboy' in that role and Naruto plaed the good. Who would Sakura choose with this statement? Sasuke.
About Lee and Gaara statement, sure it does fit in with the whole SasukexSakura scene, it also is true for alot of other pairings. Hinata and Naruto for one. Hinata would be taking the bad person 'Naruto' for thier important person, but Hinata still goes after him since she wants to save Naruto from the loneliness. Same with almost every otehr pairing out here.Like with the Neji Tenten pairing.
And I think the concept of SasukexSakura is not good in my opinion, but hey, thats jsut me. I just dont like a pairing wit hthe 'bad boy'
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Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:44 am
The Gaara and Lee quote doesn't go with Naruto and Hinata at all.
Naruto isn't bad. Hinata isn't bad. Theres no way it can work into NaruHina. And I'm not saying its proof for SasuSaku and its only for SasuSaku what I'm saying is just because Sasuke left Konoha doesn't mean Sakura will suddenly see him as a bad person and get over him. Once someone is your important person, whether they are bad or not you can't help but love them because they are precious to you. Its called loyalty and thats what Sakura has towards Sasuke IMO. She is loyal to him and wont leave him.
I understand you may think it was anger. BUT she most certainly didn't go to Tsunade just for Naruto. And that has been confirmed through her statement that she will save both of them which also supports my reason she wasn't all that angry at Sasuke seeing as she wants to save him, not beat the crap out of him out of anger.
I didn't say Theropy would be OOC. I said Sasuke taking theropy would be OOC. And horribly at that. I certainly don't see him expressing his troubles to some random person. Definetly not. And if he were to take theropy, there goes the whole Naruto series for me because it would be too boring-ly happy.
The only pairings I don't really like the concept of are LeeSaku, KibaHina and SaiIno. But thats my opinion.
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Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:14 am
omfgitsme Kairi-Love comes and goes lind the wind. She probably didnt know what she was getting into and Sasuke was just triyng to help her, as a friend. Sure he said 'Thank you' to her for her atucally carring for him, but that doesnt want to make him 'love' her back. If he really did 'love' her then why did he leave Konoha and just stay with her? He could of easly have gotten strong in Konoha with the help of other people, like Jryaiya or Tsunade.
I know love comes and goes, but almost everyone is usually always still hung up over their first love no matter what. I can imagine that's how it will be with Sakura. Even if she were to get with Naruto[which I would hate.. just saying], I don't think she'll be able to let go of her feelings for Sasuke. I'm not saying she'll always LOVE him, but I am saying she'll always feel something for him, even if it is small.
I never said Sasuke loved Sakura. If I did, I didn't mean to. But even if he did.. he would have still left, more than likely. However, I believe it's a distinct possibility that he could have liked her. Even if he did, though, it wouldn't have mattered. He was incapable of being in a relationship at that time; he was, and still is, too fixated on revenge. And I say 'at that time' to emphasize a point I end up trying to get across everytime I discuss SasuSaku -- Sasuke is a human being; therefore, he is perfectly capable of loving someone. I just think he'll be MORE capable of having those kinds of feelings once he defeats Itachi. [I'm not accusing you of thinking otherwise. I just wanted to go ahead and say that.]
Sasuke couldn't have stayed in Konoha, especially not after the Sound Four came and attacked him. Just imagine what Orochimaru would have done if he hadn't have come. He either would have somehow killed Sasuke using the Curse Seal, sent more of his followers after him, or attacked the village again. If he stayed, people were in danger.
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Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 12:51 pm
Meh, lets just leave it at this. I dont supposrt SasukexSakura and you do. I dont feel like dibating anymore, even thoguh its pretty fun.
Cherrihana- and what I ment about how Naruto was bad, he wasnt bad at heart, bud her father probably told her he was the worst person in the village and was a monster, but she still goes after him, because she sees through that mask and sees that he ia monster, but a really good kid just surrounded in lonelyness.
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Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:14 pm
omfgitsme Meh, lets just leave it at this. I dont supposrt SasukexSakura and you do. I dont feel like dibating anymore, even thoguh its pretty fun.
It was interesting while it lasted, even though I only got two posts in. x3;; I'm glad you were mature about the whole thing. -Nod-
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Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:09 pm
I missed the debate?! s**t. *has the worst timing ever*
Thanks to everyone for being intelligent about the debate. <3
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Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:42 pm
Kairi.nin omfgitsme Meh, lets just leave it at this. I dont supposrt SasukexSakura and you do. I dont feel like dibating anymore, even thoguh its pretty fun.
It was interesting while it lasted, even though I only got two posts in. x3;; I'm glad you were mature about the whole thing. -Nod-Yep, and I was hoping i woundt get taht kind of oppionion. Luckly I didnt. I know it was, and if you dont know already, and just a 13 year old kid ninja Remedi: It was fun while it lasted thoguh ninja
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Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:37 pm
omfgitsme Kairi.nin omfgitsme Meh, lets just leave it at this. I dont supposrt SasukexSakura and you do. I dont feel like dibating anymore, even thoguh its pretty fun.
It was interesting while it lasted, even though I only got two posts in. x3;; I'm glad you were mature about the whole thing. -Nod-Yep, and I was hoping i woundt get taht kind of oppionion. Luckly I didnt. I know it was, and if you dont know already, and just a 13 year old kid ninja Remedi: It was fun while it lasted thoguh ninja
And I'm just a 12 year old 'kid' xd
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 3:06 am
Cherrihana omfgitsme Kairi.nin omfgitsme Meh, lets just leave it at this. I dont supposrt SasukexSakura and you do. I dont feel like dibating anymore, even thoguh its pretty fun.
It was interesting while it lasted, even though I only got two posts in. x3;; I'm glad you were mature about the whole thing. -Nod-Yep, and I was hoping i woundt get taht kind of oppionion. Luckly I didnt. I know it was, and if you dont know already, and just a 13 year old kid ninja Remedi: It was fun while it lasted thoguh ninja
And I'm just a 12 year old 'kid' xd Thats surprising. you post more literate than most people your age. Even Im shocked at this, and people are usually shocked by me 0.o. Guess you should judge a book bye its cover...
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 5:11 am
I do get offended sometimes when someone is acting immature and people comment that they are acting like a 12 year kid but I guess it can't be helped. xd
Anyway, debates over I'm guessing. What was being discussed before? xD
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