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 Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 10:20 am
Ri-san chaoticpuppet Ri-san Contingent Ri-San, that was very enlightening. All mothers who consider having abortions should read up on all of the risks and consequences associated with it. But that doesn't mean it's fundamentally wrong. There is more info, but I dont want to post 3 articles on here or anything. But i'm sticking with the fact that abortion isn't right in any way, shape or form. I mean, there is life in the unborn baby, get we never give it a chance. They give people in jails a better chance at life then they do with unborn babies. Well, that is because, certainty does not constitute that which is right. Also, these people on death row have what are called human rights as they are fully human. Fully human means, one, of the human race, and two, fully out of the womb, with all connections to the womb severed completely. Anything with a connection to something else, and is using that something else for some sort of nourishment, and/or other types of life support are considered parasites. I know it's a nasty way to picture an unborn baby, but, that's what an unborn baby is, a parasite. Coyote Jack: I completely agree with you. we are and were parasites. We were parasites before we were born yes. But we are even parasites now. We all look to God for nourishment and life support. So aren't we all parasites? hmmm? yes I totaly agree with that and It is sad that even some Christians and Many of the other people Around the country dont see it that way. THey dont realize that WE have been graciously supplyed with the things we need form God even before we ask for them. Just like a Child in the womb we "feed" off of GOd WE have to rely on him for the sun to come up and for our next breath of fresh air aswell as Rely on his grate mercys to forgive us when we mess up we rely on God as much as An unborn Child does on it's mother.
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 10:21 am
chaoticpuppet neko~nya Even though they aren't born, unborn babies are very truely human. You can't listen to their process of growth and say they aren't living human beings. Aboration is basically murder that people are getting away with. They kill a child every time abortion happens. I don't know how people can be for that. Adoption is a far better idea. 1. Huge difference between kill and murder. Kill is a blanket term used to describe many different ways of commiting the act of taking another life; these ways range from murder in the first, murder in the second, homicide, suicide, genocide, manslaughter, etc. Murder is a specific type of killing. In other words muder = killing, but killing does not necessarily mean murder. Also, remember that killing is not always illegal; consider a time when your life is in danger, and the only way out of that danger is to kill the person who is placing you in that danger; also consider war time, where your option is to either kill the enemy and increase your chances of winning or not kill the enemy and decrease your chances of winning. 2. Murder according to: http://dictionary.law.com/default2.asp?selected=1303&bold=Murder||The Legal Dictionary murder n. the killing of a human being by a sane person, with intent, malice aforethought (prior intention to kill the particular victim or anyone who gets in the way) and with no legal excuse or authority...Second degree murder is such a killing without premeditation, as in the heat of passion or in a sudden quarrel or fight. Malice in second degree murder may be implied from a death due to the reckless lack of concern for the life of others (such as firing a gun into a crowd or bashing someone with any deadly weapon). Now, how does abortion have malicious intent or the heat of passion? The dictionary is poisen sometimes. Dont use definitions from other sourses. Use your OWN definition a definition that feels right to you and can be more meaning full then one from a book, or maybe definitions from the bible.
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 10:26 am
Ri-san The dictionary is poisen sometimes. Dont use definitions from other sourses. Use your OWN definition a definition that feels right to you and can be more meaning full then one from a book, or maybe definitions from the bible. Defintions have to agree with the definitions that others have, otherwise conversation is meaningless. If everyone made up their own definitions, communication would be impossible. You haven't given a valid reason why the dictionary is 'poison'. I define murder as "Killing with malicious intent".
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 10:31 am
Contingent Ri-san The dictionary is poisen sometimes. Dont use definitions from other sourses. Use your OWN definition a definition that feels right to you and can be more meaning full then one from a book, or maybe definitions from the bible. Defintions have to agree with the definitions that others have, otherwise conversation is meaningless. If everyone made up their own definitions, communication would be impossible. You haven't given a valid reason why the dictionary is 'poison'. I define murder as "Killing with malicious intent". The dictionary just gives a definition. It doesn't go into depth about anything. I define murder as "killing another life form on purpose" I'm not saying we should make up definitions for every word.
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 10:35 am
Ri-san we are and were parasites. We were parasites before we were born yes. But we are even parasites now. We all look to God for nourishment and life support. So aren't we all parasites? hmmm? Well, do I necessarily believe in your god if I am deistic? Also, looking towards something for nourishment is not the same as what a parasite does. A parasite gets nourishment by attaching on to something and using that something as nourishment. It doesn't get nourishment simply from simply looking towards something.
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 10:36 am
Lorenasoileau1 Ri-san chaoticpuppet Ri-san Contingent Ri-San, that was very enlightening. All mothers who consider having abortions should read up on all of the risks and consequences associated with it. But that doesn't mean it's fundamentally wrong. There is more info, but I dont want to post 3 articles on here or anything. But i'm sticking with the fact that abortion isn't right in any way, shape or form. I mean, there is life in the unborn baby, get we never give it a chance. They give people in jails a better chance at life then they do with unborn babies. Well, that is because, certainty does not constitute that which is right. Also, these people on death row have what are called human rights as they are fully human. Fully human means, one, of the human race, and two, fully out of the womb, with all connections to the womb severed completely. Anything with a connection to something else, and is using that something else for some sort of nourishment, and/or other types of life support are considered parasites. I know it's a nasty way to picture an unborn baby, but, that's what an unborn baby is, a parasite. Coyote Jack: I completely agree with you. we are and were parasites. We were parasites before we were born yes. But we are even parasites now. We all look to God for nourishment and life support. So aren't we all parasites? hmmm? yes I totaly agree with that and It is sad that even some Christians and Many of the other people Around the country dont see it that way. THey dont realize that WE have been graciously supplyed with the things we need form God even before we ask for them. Just like a Child in the womb we "feed" off of GOd WE have to rely on him for the sun to come up and for our next breath of fresh air aswell as Rely on his grate mercys to forgive us when we mess up we rely on God as much as An unborn Child does on it's mother. Agreed 3nodding
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 10:37 am
Contingent Up with The eating of bagels (If I have a big enough font, maybe people will obey me?)*Starts eating bagels* What?!
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 10:39 am
Ri-san I define murder as "killing another life form on purpose" And that is exactly where the confusion lies. If everyone else things murder is malicious killing, and you think it's intentional killing, we end up with everyone getting all confused when you say that something is murder when it's not malicious. So what you really mean to say, when you say that abortion is 'murder', is that it's 'intentional killing'. Well, we know that. So what are you trying to say? Definitions really aren't that complicated- it's just a list of the conditions that something must have to be described with that word. There is no real 'depth' needed.
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 10:39 am
chaoticpuppet Ri-san we are and were parasites. We were parasites before we were born yes. But we are even parasites now. We all look to God for nourishment and life support. So aren't we all parasites? hmmm? Well, do I necessarily believe in your god if I am deistic? Also, looking towards something for nourishment is not the same as what a parasite does. A parasite gets nourishment by attaching on to something and using that something as nourishment. It doesn't get nourishment simply from simply looking towards something. God had nourished us even before we knew Him. He still nourishes those who dont know Him. He even nourishes those who dont ask for it.
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 10:40 am
so if some one said its there body so its there right how do u resopnd
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 10:44 am
Contingent Ri-san I define murder as "killing another life form on purpose" And that is exactly where the confusion lies. If everyone else things murder is malicious killing, and you think it's intentional killing, we end up with everyone getting all confused when you say that something is murder when it's not malicious. So what you really mean to say, when you say that abortion is 'murder', is that it's 'intentional killing'. Well, we know that. So what are you trying to say? Definitions really aren't that complicated- it's just a list of the conditions that something must have to be described with that word. There is no real 'depth' needed. It's rather hard to try to make sence of what you are saying.
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 10:45 am
Ri-san The dictionary is poisen sometimes. Dont use definitions from other sourses. Use your OWN definition a definition that feels right to you and can be more meaning full then one from a book, or maybe definitions from the bible. If I used my own definitions I would: 1. have no way of correction of errors. 2. no way to communicate with others. In this reality, if I want to communicate with you, we have to use words with definitions in which the definitions are decided upon by society, in other words, we must use the dictionary, as it represents what society has agreed upon for the meaning of words and terms. Secondly, in the legal system, there are words and phrases with very specific meanings, to violate the usage of those meanings in any type of debate (ranging from conversational between two or more people, to court case, to legelistive cases) would be not only wrong, but would also make the side of the person making up their own definitions to phrases and words already defined a lot less strong, it would also leave a lot more holes in that sides arguments.
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 10:45 am
Ri-san God had nourished us even before we knew Him. He still nourishes those who dont know Him. He even nourishes those who dont ask for it. ...how do you know this?
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 10:50 am
Contingent Ri-san I define murder as "killing another life form on purpose" And that is exactly where the confusion lies. If everyone else things murder is malicious killing, and you think it's intentional killing, we end up with everyone getting all confused when you say that something is murder when it's not malicious. So what you really mean to say, when you say that abortion is 'murder', is that it's 'intentional killing'. Well, we know that. So what are you trying to say? Definitions really aren't that complicated- it's just a list of the conditions that something must have to be described with that word. There is no real 'depth' needed. murder is not simply malicious in the U.S., it has to have malicious intent, to be considered first degree, second degree means in the heat of passion. Ri-san God had nourished us even before we knew Him. He still nourishes those who dont know Him. He even nourishes those who dont ask for it. I am largely diestic, that means that, for lack of a better metaphor, we are here for my god's entertainment. After that, I take on both agnostic and buddhist qualities, whether he supplied us with anything or nothing, I do not know, moreover, I do not really care, because, to me it is not that important. All that matters, to me, is that I am here, now. Edited.
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 10:54 am
jonathan_black so if some one said its there body so its there right how do u resopnd They can say it is their body all they wish. I can't force them to decide whether abortion is right or not. But I can supply them with the harmfull-ness of abortion, and what it can do to 'their body'. But heres the thing. People who cut themselves can say "its my body, i have the right to cut myself." or "its my body, i have the right to commit suiside" yet, people try to stop them. They send them to get help for that type of thing and to convince them not to do it.
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