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 Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 11:35 pm
M-mann Lady Merewyn I shall do so. Is it in the archive? Indeed it is. I tried reading it on there but couldn't do it. So I bought a book that had it along with the State and the Revolution and numerous other writings. http://marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1901/witbd/index.htm Awesome!
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Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 9:59 am
Gracchvs no no no, YOU value democracy, you value democracy as an abstract universal, which it isnt, and never can be, it is only a form of state, and all states are based on the oppression of one class by another, bourgeois democracy is democracy for the bourgoeisie, it oppresses the proletariat in order to create profits, while proletarian democracy is democracy for the proletariat, with oppression of the bourgeoisie in order to safeguard the revolution, which of course you oppose, because, all men are brothers[so sayeth the anarchists and reformists and humanists!]
Weird term I use, I think it doesn't even exist
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Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 6:50 pm
there is no such thing. the state can only exist in a situation of conflict, and only through the proletarian dictatorship will the bourgeoisie be crushed, and thus there no longer be any grounds for conflict(of the sort of which nessessitates a state.)
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Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 8:37 pm
Kenzu Gracchvs no no no, YOU value democracy, you value democracy as an abstract universal, which it isnt, and never can be, it is only a form of state, and all states are based on the oppression of one class by another, bourgeois democracy is democracy for the bourgoeisie, it oppresses the proletariat in order to create profits, while proletarian democracy is democracy for the proletariat, with oppression of the bourgeoisie in order to safeguard the revolution, which of course you oppose, because, all men are brothers[so sayeth the anarchists and reformists and humanists!]
Weird term I use, I think it doesn't even existThe term Soviet Democracy exists.
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Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 8:46 pm
yes, and soviet democracy is only one form of PROLETARIAN democracy, which is just what i discribed in my last post.
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Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 2:51 pm
Gracchvs yes, and soviet democracy is only one form of PROLETARIAN democracy, which is just what i discribed in my last post. proletarian dictatorship is actually democracy. In a democratic state you vote and the majority decides i.e. imposes their views on the minority
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Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 9:49 pm
no, it is not actual democracy, it is democracy for one class, the proletariat, in bourgeois democracy they vote and the majority wins, but it is only the bourgeoisie who count.
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Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 9:09 am
Gracchvs no, it is not actual democracy, it is democracy for one class, the proletariat, in bourgeois democracy they vote and the majority wins, but it is only the bourgeoisie who count. Proletarian democracy fails because when one group can over power the other with political power then the bourgeios starts anew. Look at the plebians and the patricians in the roman "Republic".
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Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 8:24 pm
Also the killings of the Romanovs was vengeance. Plain and simple.
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Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 9:14 pm
luftwafe Also the killings of the Romanovs was vengeance. Plain and simple. No it was not, or at least in the fashion it was done. The Whites were gaining ground and the local soviets called the move; whether it was supported by Moscow is a matter of opinion. It was the local soviets called for the execution. It was their call to make because they felt an escape route was not feasible. I would not blame on the Central Committee on the killings of the Romano’s for that is just plain ignorance. Now would the trial be a mock trial? Who knows... probably would have been a better trial then Saddams rolleyes
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Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 9:18 pm
luftwafe Gracchvs no, it is not actual democracy, it is democracy for one class, the proletariat, in bourgeois democracy they vote and the majority wins, but it is only the bourgeoisie who count. Proletarian democracy fails because when one group can over power the other with political power then the bourgeios starts anew. Look at the plebians and the patricians in the roman "Republic". So then how does the Democracies of the Modern age work according to your statement?
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Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 9:20 pm
Gracchvs no, it is not actual democracy, it is democracy for one class, the proletariat, in bourgeois democracy they vote and the majority wins, but it is only the bourgeoisie who count. In Bourgeoisie democracy it does not matter the amount of votes/ voters but the people who count them ( or soon to be computers yay for hackers blaugh )
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 8:41 pm
SoViEtTaNkT34 luftwafe Gracchvs no, it is not actual democracy, it is democracy for one class, the proletariat, in bourgeois democracy they vote and the majority wins, but it is only the bourgeoisie who count. Proletarian democracy fails because when one group can over power the other with political power then the bourgeios starts anew. Look at the plebians and the patricians in the roman "Republic". So then how does the Democracies of the Modern age work according to your statement? I recant my former statement. I was thinking of burgeoise democracy. sweatdrop
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 9:27 pm
luftwafe Also the killings of the Romanovs was vengeance. Plain and simple. Not entirely vengance, but rather using harsh methods to achieve a political aim. What other way was there to completely ensure the destruction of the monarchy but to completely destroy it? It was not a pleasant thing to do, but at the same time, it did achieve the objective for which it was done.
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 9:32 pm
Quote: Proletarian democracy fails because when one group can over power the other with political power then the bourgeios starts anew. Look at the plebians and the patricians in the roman "Republic". an egaltarian democary works because (obviosly) there are no classes which solves the "switch" problem you mentioned before
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