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 Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 7:04 pm
What? If you want my honest opinion; I think Brolli is one of those characters that'll always be on par with whatever character is sent his way simply because he's such a good movie character. Makes for drama and tension. As for the bad writing rap... Movie 8 was one of the best DBZ movies ever (excluding the amazing first three) and only ranks lower to Movies 9, 12, and 13. But...that's just my opinion. I could be wrong. I'm not saying the moive is bad. It's my personal favorite actually. What I'm stating is that the writers couldn't seem to come up with a better way for Burori to lose. They decide to slap the Z fighters with one of the strongest foes in DBZ history and they just couldn't seem to figure out how they were going to kill him. It's like they only had the beginning and middle laid out but not the end...
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Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 7:47 pm
You don't think that was a spectacular and climactic ending?
A stunning showing of teamwork surpasing an impossibly strong foe?
I thought it was very symbolic.
In any case...
It's also possible that Brolli isn't the end all be all antagonist. Maybe he's not as strong as we're making him out to be?
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Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 8:55 pm
The thing about fiction, and especially DBZ, is that there will always be someone stronger. I'm not saying Burori is the strongest. I'm just trying to prove that he's stronger than some would like to believe. How many DBU characters can actually say they destroyed a galaxy?
About the ending of that movie.... Personally, I think the movie was great all around. The only qualm is that they set the bar to high for the Z fighters, but they manage to clear this bar in the most uneventful and uninspiring way imaginable. They could have done better is all I'm saying.
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 5:35 pm
Doktor Jackal Personally from what I've read, Broly's true power has never been guaged and he can be seen as being only slightly weaker then uber Perfect Cell, or as the most powerful villian in the entire series.
And I know some one did not just say the Hulk loses because he can't fly. He leaps farther and higher then the DBZ cast have ever been shown able to fly(minus Gotenks). Remember when Piccolo was on the other side of Planet Namek and flew (non-stop) to the area where Gohan, Vegeta and Krillin were fighting it out with Frieza? Yeah, that solves your point about them not being able to fly as far as the Hulk can jump.
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 5:38 pm
Saiyan Master Vegeta Doktor Jackal Personally from what I've read, Broly's true power has never been guaged and he can be seen as being only slightly weaker then uber Perfect Cell, or as the most powerful villian in the entire series.
And I know some one did not just say the Hulk loses because he can't fly. He leaps farther and higher then the DBZ cast have ever been shown able to fly(minus Gotenks). Remember when Piccolo was on the other side of Planet Namek and flew (non-stop) to the area where Gohan, Vegeta and Krillin were fighting it out with Frieza? Yeah, that solves your point about them not being able to fly as far as the Hulk can jump.
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 5:38 pm
Izayoi Kyoya The thing about fiction, and especially DBZ, is that there will always be someone stronger. I'm not saying Burori is the strongest. I'm just trying to prove that he's stronger than some would like to believe. How many DBU characters can actually say they destroyed a galaxy? About the ending of that movie.... Personally, I think the movie was great all around. The only qualm is that they set the bar to high for the Z fighters, but they manage to clear this bar in the most uneventful and uninspiring way imaginable. They could have done better is all I'm saying. None have destroyed a galaxy (I don't know about Frieza and Cooler . . . it's a possibility), but anyone at par or stronger than SSJ2 Gohan and Super Perfect Cell could nuke a Solar System.
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 5:42 pm
Doktor Jackal Saiyan Master Vegeta Doktor Jackal Personally from what I've read, Broly's true power has never been guaged and he can be seen as being only slightly weaker then uber Perfect Cell, or as the most powerful villian in the entire series.
And I know some one did not just say the Hulk loses because he can't fly. He leaps farther and higher then the DBZ cast have ever been shown able to fly(minus Gotenks). Remember when Piccolo was on the other side of Planet Namek and flew (non-stop) to the area where Gohan, Vegeta and Krillin were fighting it out with Frieza? Yeah, that solves your point about them not being able to fly as far as the Hulk can jump. Chances are that Piccolo flew over 1000 miles. After all, he was on the other side of the planet. And about flying as a disadvantage . . . Z Fighters have full control over their flight. Once the Hulk jumps, he's going generally in that one direction and won't stop.
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 5:44 pm
Saiyan Master Vegeta Doktor Jackal Saiyan Master Vegeta Doktor Jackal Personally from what I've read, Broly's true power has never been guaged and he can be seen as being only slightly weaker then uber Perfect Cell, or as the most powerful villian in the entire series.
And I know some one did not just say the Hulk loses because he can't fly. He leaps farther and higher then the DBZ cast have ever been shown able to fly(minus Gotenks). Remember when Piccolo was on the other side of Planet Namek and flew (non-stop) to the area where Gohan, Vegeta and Krillin were fighting it out with Frieza? Yeah, that solves your point about them not being able to fly as far as the Hulk can jump. Chances are that Piccolo flew over 1000 miles. After all, he was on the other side of the planet. And about flying as a disadvantage . . . Z Fighters have full control over their flight. Once the Hulk jumps, he's going generally in that one direction and won't stop.
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 6:01 pm
Doktor Jackal Saiyan Master Vegeta Doktor Jackal Saiyan Master Vegeta Doktor Jackal Personally from what I've read, Broly's true power has never been guaged and he can be seen as being only slightly weaker then uber Perfect Cell, or as the most powerful villian in the entire series.
And I know some one did not just say the Hulk loses because he can't fly. He leaps farther and higher then the DBZ cast have ever been shown able to fly(minus Gotenks). Remember when Piccolo was on the other side of Planet Namek and flew (non-stop) to the area where Gohan, Vegeta and Krillin were fighting it out with Frieza? Yeah, that solves your point about them not being able to fly as far as the Hulk can jump. Chances are that Piccolo flew over 1000 miles. After all, he was on the other side of the planet. And about flying as a disadvantage . . . Z Fighters have full control over their flight. Once the Hulk jumps, he's going generally in that one direction and won't stop. You never said "disadvantage", but you did say "far from an advantage". That's a perfect way to imply it. And flying is a very good advantage for the Z Fighters. If the Hulk jumps and misses his target, he's stuck flying the rest of the distance with limited control as to change his direction of flight. The Z Fighters on the other hand could do so many distance attacks with being able to fly and have an advantage once the Hulk jumps and misses.
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 7:08 pm
Saiyan Master Vegeta Izayoi Kyoya The thing about fiction, and especially DBZ, is that there will always be someone stronger. I'm not saying Burori is the strongest. I'm just trying to prove that he's stronger than some would like to believe. How many DBU characters can actually say they destroyed a galaxy? About the ending of that movie.... Personally, I think the movie was great all around. The only qualm is that they set the bar to high for the Z fighters, but they manage to clear this bar in the most uneventful and uninspiring way imaginable. They could have done better is all I'm saying. None have destroyed a galaxy (I don't know about Frieza and Cooler . . . it's a possibility), but anyone at par or stronger than SSJ2 Gohan and Super Perfect Cell could nuke a Solar System. Luckily for Burori, a Solar System is leagues smaller than a galaxy (and his was proven, not stated). Lucky for Burori, huh?
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 12:40 pm
Izayoi Kyoya Saiyan Master Vegeta Izayoi Kyoya The thing about fiction, and especially DBZ, is that there will always be someone stronger. I'm not saying Burori is the strongest. I'm just trying to prove that he's stronger than some would like to believe. How many DBU characters can actually say they destroyed a galaxy? About the ending of that movie.... Personally, I think the movie was great all around. The only qualm is that they set the bar to high for the Z fighters, but they manage to clear this bar in the most uneventful and uninspiring way imaginable. They could have done better is all I'm saying. None have destroyed a galaxy (I don't know about Frieza and Cooler . . . it's a possibility), but anyone at par or stronger than SSJ2 Gohan and Super Perfect Cell could nuke a Solar System. Luckily for Burori, a Solar System is leagues smaller than a galaxy (and his was proven, not stated). Lucky for Burori, huh? True, but those at par or stronger than SSJ2 Gohan and Super Perfect Cell could nuke a solar system in one blast (as was proven in the Cell saga). Broly destroyed a galaxy, but it wasn't shown to be with one blast. He could have done it over a short period of time.
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 1:19 pm
Saiyan Master Vegeta Izayoi Kyoya Luckily for Burori, a Solar System is leagues smaller than a galaxy (and his was proven, not stated). Lucky for Burori, huh? True, but those at par or stronger than SSJ2 Gohan and Super Perfect Cell could nuke a solar system in one blast (as was proven in the Cell saga). Broly destroyed a galaxy, but it wasn't shown to be with one blast. He could have done it over a short period of time. Wait what? You say that a solar system was proven to be destroyed in the Cell Saga in one blast but a galaxy wasn't proven to be destroyed in one blast in movie #8? Why do I find this so.... Even if this whole solar system thing is true (oh how seeing is believing), that STILL proves that Burori is stronger than SSJ2 Gohan (some might say, Gohan at his strongest before Chou Gohan) and Perfect Cell. Which leads me to believe that if he was stronger than SSJ2 Gohan and Perfect Cell Attempt at adding movie to series in 3... 2... 1.. before the Z fighters even fought Cell, then he should easily match or exceed a SSJ3 (remember that he went through a near-death state at the end of movie #8. That should be a HUGE power boost). So if the writers were keeping with the actual storyline that was set in movie #8, Burori should have easily tore Gohan, Goten, Trunks, Krillian and Videl (the fact that she didn't die is proof that Burori was not meant to win. Or it was just poor writing coming into effect again.) a new one without even having to go LSJ (which I might add wasn't the form he was in when he destroyed said galaxy).. or dare I say without even going SSJ (Yeah, a bit much huh? Maybe the kids and Videl but not Gohan... at least not SSJ2 Gohan) So here we have a SSJ Burori destroying a galaxy and a SSJ2 Gohan SUPPOSEDLY having the power to destroy a solar system. We've the knowledge that a galaxy STORES within itself countless solar system, thus making a solar system buster rather miniscule compared to a galaxy busters. Now are we still going to say that Burori can't match Chou Gohan with this information supplied? (Pointing out that you said that "Those on par or stronger than SSJ2 Gohan can nuke a solar system") And I'd like to apologize now for ranting so heavily. As you can tell, I'm a Burori fan.
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 1:37 pm
Don't worry about the rant. I didn't mind it.
Next, I never said that Broly wasn't stronger than SSJ2 Gohan, yet you argued it anyway. And when was it shown that Broly wasn't LSJ when he destroyed the South Quadrant? All we had was North Kai's word to Goku that a mysterious Saiyan had torn apart that South Quardrant, and that the North Quadrant was next.
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 1:47 pm
Well I wasn't arguing against it really, I was just making a point so it would be easier to assess where Burori's power is. And about the SSJ Burori destroying a galaxy... Remember the device on his head that restricted his ascension into LSJ? I'm certain he had it then as he only lost it when fighting Kakarotto and crew... and we know that galaxy wasn't destroyed afterward.
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 1:56 pm
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