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 Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 1:08 pm
sa0ri lol, my explanation was pretty broad XD Mind saying what could the possible holes be? heart *really wants to know >3* And don't worry about the Japanese to English translation... Nothing really changed. It was just a bit cooler in the Japanese one XDDD Like, their mouths actually fit into what they were saying. Yar D: I meant just in the general KH plot... I mean... gah. *sits in a corner and pouts quietly*
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Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 2:51 pm
*Brain starts to hurt* Remind me to never again read everything in a conversation like this at one time! *Rubs head with a groan*
A lot of you have valid points, some of them I can either agree or disagree with.
As for the mult. Keyblades, I have no idea, I like the idea of 'We could all weild a keyblade, we just need a stong enough heart' thing. Even if it does make fanfic writers make stupid OC's.
Theory On Axel----> I think that Axel knows more about all of this them he is letting on. It almost does not seem to bother him one bit that he does not have a heart, other then sticking with the orginization.
This means that he just may have decided to ignore it or think that what the orginization was telling them was a load of crap. No hearts? Uh-huh, then why in the seven hells do you think he went after Roxas with such emotion and vigor? Just following orders, I think not.
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Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:05 pm
The "they don't have emotions" thing is obviously crap, anyway. They're "pretending" to have emotions? Right. Sure. At the VERY LEAST, they have physical emotions, which can include basically the entire spectrum. stare Stupid Yen Sid... "pretending" my @$$.
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Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 8:19 pm
Yen Sid didn't seem to have many emotions himself for someone critiquing other people's emotions.
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Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 8:45 pm
LaLunaLupe Yen Sid didn't seem to have many emotions himself for someone critiquing other people's emotions. XD That's a good point.
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Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 10:51 pm
Scathach13 I meant just in the general KH plot... I mean... gah. *sits in a corner and pouts quietly* Aw... *huggles* heart Here, have Domo-kun gnaw on your head. It always relaxes me XDDD domokun
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 6:13 pm
ok that video made little sense unless it was way in the past or way in the future....but i suspect its the future because they pulla rusty kingdom key keyblade out of the ground and Im assuming that was once *the* keyblade.......I wonder if the weirdo rangers (im not a big fan of their outfits) are like descendants of Sora, Riku, snd Kairi.....oh and I'm pretty sure all the disney characters will still be there because they live for like forever........though I will be uber sad if like riku is gone or the game doesn't still have that same bright vibe to it.......i do not wanna play emo hearts......
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Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 12:09 pm
Ouh, spoiler. Well, regardless of the emo-ness, I'd be glad to see another game come out.
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Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 12:13 pm
LaLunaLupe Ouh, spoiler. Well, regardless of the emo-ness, I'd be glad to see another game come out. But there's a spoiler warning in the title of the thread...
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Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 12:46 pm
Torrina Shirogane LaLunaLupe Ouh, spoiler. Well, regardless of the emo-ness, I'd be glad to see another game come out. But there's a spoiler warning in the title of the thread... True, I missed that apparently or had temporary alsheimers or something.
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 3:46 am
===> I think the next game is going to be in the past, which I can't tell if I like, or don't like...;~; no more Sora, and Riku....
But..It'll be cool, because it's supposed to be based on the origin of the keyblade, and the keyblade ward that took place long ago, which is why there's not many now. They all died.
It kind of looks like the three warriors are like..."reincarnated" into Sora, Riku and Kairi, ones a girl..one kinda looks like it'd be Sora, and the other has Riku's keyblade.
And unless this isn't in the past, and it's in the future...=3 then..yeah. Those three are Riku, Sora, and Kairi.
I dunno if anyone else noticed, but it kind of looks like the same path that Sora crossed when he went to Castle Oblivion. Making me think that might be the same path, either from the future, or past.
=3
*edit*
I was just saying most of the possibities..I didn't read the intervew with Nomura yet..so... =P I only meant that the three resembled Riku Kairi and Sora. I'm done now.
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 10:50 am
THEY ARE NOT SORA RIKU AND KAIRI. NOMURA HAS CONFIRMED THIS. I WISH PEOPLE WOULD STOP SUGGESTING THIS ALREADY. stressed crying
In other news, I've started a frame-by-frame analyzation of the video, which will probably take me about a week to finish. However, I have already noticed several interesting things, namely:
> For about one second in the video, we see a shoot of Sora (the old, red-jumpsuit wearing one) reaching for something in the air while surrounded by light.
> In the one screenshot where we clearly see several keyblades, it should be noted that all of them, sans the one on the far right, all have identical shafts that resemble swords far more than the traditional keyblade. In fact, we don't have any real proof that they are - we're just going by the hilt design, which seems to sugest this. Still, I have no actual evidence to present at this time. I'll get back to this, hopefully with a screenshot.
> The person in the distence who comes last has an interesting siloette - one that made me think of Kuja, as a first impression. This makes it seem likely to me that either they are wearing very peculiar armor, or... something else. At this time I don't have any real opinions about it, but I plan to work on that.
In retrospect, I think it's interesting to notice that if we look back on our origional theories of the Kingdom Hearts Secret Video, that many of our first guesses were strangely accurate. Because of this, I think it may be wise to record any guesses and theories we have at this time...
Also, is anyone else a little annoyed by what a misnomer the term "heartless" is? Technically, a heartless is the corrupted heart - a collapsed one, if you will. However, many, many of us assumed that the heartless was the body and soul of the person, and that the people we origionally called NEOs (now known to be Nobodies) would be the heart. In retrospect, that doesn't make much sense either, but more so then the game. Also, all evidence suggested - no, blatently stated that the Nobodies were "a third power" that either A) Had a different power entirely, or B) Controled both light and darkness. How is it possible for them to control heartless without a heart? In Kingdom Hearts 1, it was made pretty clear that that was a requirement. In addition, the Nobodies should not have power over light or darkness in the first place if we hold that it is the heart that contains them. This makes no sense whatsoever, and when you think about it... Is it possible that we're COMPLETELY WRONG? Seriously - who here would have ever guessed that the Ansem we fought wasn't Ansem? KH2 proved that we had been "lied" to quite a bit in the first game - isn't it possible that the same applies in the second? I'll leave you with these thoughts for now... Just remember, nothing is trully concrete in Kingdom Hearts as we once thought... We can't simply trust what is said in the game anymore.
Oh yes, I almost forgot - One thing we should keep in mind...
In Kingdom Hearts Chain of Memories, Zexion was able to control the light. Now, if we hold that you require a heart to use the light, this makes no sense what-so-ever. Another plot glitch, as I like to call them. So many things don't make sense... So many pieces missing from the puzzle, incorrect assumtions... I can't help but wish I could see Ansem and Xehanort's notes, and then continue their studies myself, being the science addict I am... But, as they exist in an interly different dimentions, I don't think that's going to be happening any time soon. *laughs*
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:25 pm
I go back and forth between two theories:
1.) The plot is poorly constructed and often contridicts itself
and the more likely theory:
2.) That there is some method to this madness, that they are lying to us intentionally to bring interest to the plot. From Sora's point of view, everything we know is true, but if you look at Axel, he often seemed rather sarcastic about things like not being able to feel.
Here is where I am with Kingdom Hearts right now, as far as theories that I am fairly certain of:
The Nobodies are neither light nor darkness, only shades of gray. The soul of a person, even without a heart, could never be truly evil. Selfish, manipulative, acting on needs, these individuals are nolonger human as we understand humanity... But that doesn't mean that they're not sentient beings capible of feelings.
You'll notice that Axel seemed to really love Roxas, right? What did Axel really want from Roxas? He didn't seem to actually want to help Roxas, or cheer him up, or make him successful. What he wanted was to *have* Roxas, to satify his own need for companionship, friendship. Even in the end, when Axel prooved he really did love Roxas, it can be percieved as a self motivated thing. Axel needed Roxas to exist, to be happy, and having realized Roxas would never return to him, he placed all of his hopes and all of his need into one last effort to see Roxas again. That is love. But it seems to be based on Axel's feelings, not Roxas's.
When you look at Xemnas's point of view, all he seemed to want was to feel complete. That in itself is not an evil thing, but he is percieved as being evil because he was willing to sacrifice others to achieve his goal.
The Nobodies are animalistic, driven by what they want or what they need. They don't have "hearts," they're just the minds or "souls" of individuals that have had their- well, let's call them the higher instincts- removed. Higher instincts are things like Selflessness, giving, team ethics, patriotism, and family. This is not to say that Nobodies can't love, want, or need, or that they are unwilling or unable to cooperate with one another to get what they want, but eventually selfishness will get in the way of their temperary peace. We see this in the way that nobodies are known to turn on one another.
So, in my opinion, Nobodies can feel. But they can't feel the sorts of things they want to feel the most, the completion one feels in being a part of something bigger than themselves, things like true love, family, team, and friendship.
The heartless seem to me to be the opposite, they have the power a heart has with none of the intellegence to direct it. They are in permanent states of fear, anger, and hate, and are incapible of reasoning why.
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Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 8:59 am
=O *applauds* Awesome, awesome reasoning.
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 8:28 pm
It'd be nice to know how much the VA's were told.
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