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Abortion
Abortion is mean !!!!!!!!!!!! :(
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theres nothing wrong with abortion
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Phoenixblade-charm

PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 3:24 pm


Abortion is wrong, I won't argue that. But should it be outlawed? Mmmm...no. I don't think it should be. In the world we live in, there really isn't something that is "just" wrong or something that is "just" right. There is always a circumstance in which the things that most people see as right are wrong, and the things that most people are seen as wrong are right.

Let's say a woman was raped. Should she go through with having the baby? Some say yes. I say no, unless she chooses to go through with it. But most people say that it'd be wrong for her to choose abortion...but let's try and put ourselves in the situation.

You're a young girl, barely sixteen. Being poor, you don't have the best shoes so you tend to walk slowly. It starts to get dark before you reach home on the "bad" side of town. You believe you hear someone following you...but you're not sure. You try to speed up, but someone catches you arm and pulls you into an alley. You scream, but no one comes.

The next morning you were found in that alley, obviously a victim of rape. You're taken to a hospital, where you regain conciousness a week later. You learn that you're pregnant. You know that if you have this child, not only will they not have a father, they will also grow up extremely poor and have basically a horrible childhood, and possibly life. On top of this, you are told that the one who raped you was a serial rapist, so you probably have STDs. Your friend, the daughter of a rich doctor, comes to comfort you. She also brings you some news. Her parents have agreed to provide the money, if needed, for you to get an abortion. Now, you are faced with a few options. You could have the child and raise it in a house as a teenaged single mother. The child will probably end up suffering mental damage from your abusive mother, and will probably never have a chance at not being poor. Plus the child could be born with numerous diseases that were contracted from the father. Another option would be to put a child up for adoption. But that isn't really all that good either. Better, yes, but not good. The child will have no parents from the time it's very young on. There's also a chance that the child could change houses often and suffer traumatic damage because of an unstable infancy. Studies have shown that children who are seperated from their parents at an early age, or don't have a stable early childhood often suffer from mental or emotional instabilities later in life. Or, you could have an abortion while the fetus is still very young. It won't even have a heartbeat until later, and will feel no pain. If you don't have the child, you could spare it a horribly abusive and unfortunate life. It's probably the most merciful thing you could do.

This scenario in no way actually justifies abortion, it is still wrong. But sometimes doing something wrong is needed to prevent an even greater wrong. If someone is just a "loose woman" and has an abortion because she doesn't feel like having a child at the moment, then that's unacceptable. But if a young woman knows that she can't take care of a child if she were to have one, I believe it's her choice to decide wether or not to have it. If she knows the child will suffer greatly and has virtually no chance at a properous life...then maybe then abortion is indeed the lesser of various evils.

There's always grey side to everything that seems black and white, so there's never a right or wrong answer. Thus...I think it should be, for the most part, up to the woman to decide.
PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 12:00 am


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Gaylord Mule 3

PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 3:11 pm


Phoenixblade-charm
Abortion is wrong, I won't argue that. But should it be outlawed? Mmmm...no. I don't think it should be. In the world we live in, there really isn't something that is "just" wrong or something that is "just" right. There is always a circumstance in which the things that most people see as right are wrong, and the things that most people are seen as wrong are right.

Let's say a woman was raped. Should she go through with having the baby? Some say yes. I say no, unless she chooses to go through with it. But most people say that it'd be wrong for her to choose abortion...but let's try and put ourselves in the situation.

You're a young girl, barely sixteen. Being poor, you don't have the best shoes so you tend to walk slowly. It starts to get dark before you reach home on the "bad" side of town. You believe you hear someone following you...but you're not sure. You try to speed up, but someone catches you arm and pulls you into an alley. You scream, but no one comes.

The next morning you were found in that alley, obviously a victim of rape. You're taken to a hospital, where you regain conciousness a week later. You learn that you're pregnant. You know that if you have this child, not only will they not have a father, they will also grow up extremely poor and have basically a horrible childhood, and possibly life. On top of this, you are told that the one who raped you was a serial rapist, so you probably have STDs. Your friend, the daughter of a rich doctor, comes to comfort you. She also brings you some news. Her parents have agreed to provide the money, if needed, for you to get an abortion. Now, you are faced with a few options. You could have the child and raise it in a house as a teenaged single mother. The child will probably end up suffering mental damage from your abusive mother, and will probably never have a chance at not being poor. Plus the child could be born with numerous diseases that were contracted from the father. Another option would be to put a child up for adoption. But that isn't really all that good either. Better, yes, but not good. The child will have no parents from the time it's very young on. There's also a chance that the child could change houses often and suffer traumatic damage because of an unstable infancy. Studies have shown that children who are seperated from their parents at an early age, or don't have a stable early childhood often suffer from mental or emotional instabilities later in life. Or, you could have an abortion while the fetus is still very young. It won't even have a heartbeat until later, and will feel no pain. If you don't have the child, you could spare it a horribly abusive and unfortunate life. It's probably the most merciful thing you could do.

This scenario in no way actually justifies abortion, it is still wrong. But sometimes doing something wrong is needed to prevent an even greater wrong. If someone is just a "loose woman" and has an abortion because she doesn't feel like having a child at the moment, then that's unacceptable. But if a young woman knows that she can't take care of a child if she were to have one, I believe it's her choice to decide wether or not to have it. If she knows the child will suffer greatly and has virtually no chance at a properous life...then maybe then abortion is indeed the lesser of various evils.

There's always grey side to everything that seems black and white, so there's never a right or wrong answer. Thus...I think it should be, for the most part, up to the woman to decide.


thats not a bad fairytale. but there are a few other scenarios you forgot. for instance:
you are a fourteen-year-old girl and the realy cute guy fromt the basketball team asks you out. Sure he's a few years older but your well- off suburban parnets like him and they say it's all right with them for you to see each other. He treats you great, buys you gifts and takes you places.
Places like that partty. Up untill then you maybe got into a little "heavy petting",but you are still a virgin. A few beers and some "Baby I love you"'s later you wake up next to this guy, the man of our dreams, the man you loved enough to give yourself to and you feel his arm around you and know that you too will be together forever. You smile and drift back to sleep.

about a week later you notice yuo haven't had your period yet. You shrug it off. A few days later you realize that something is wrong so you get a pregnancy test. Guess what you got pregnant. After freaking out you call up trying to sound calm. You get him on his cell. You tell him the news. part of you is screaming "WHAT DO I DOOOOO!" but there is still hope that he will comfort you and say "Whatever happens i still love you" as soon as you tell him he hangs up the phone. He dosen't return your calls. You find out that he's started seeing someone else. You can't tell Mom and Dad for fear that they will do the same to you as the father. So you go to a free clinic and have an abortion.

she'd not realy a "loose woman" but still the kid has no chance at that great a life. especialy if teh grandparents dissown this poor girl for beeing a whore and from fear of "if the neighbours ever found out" i don't think reape is the only justifyable reason to have an abortion. i think any girl that is not ready to have a child(especialy when they aren't much more than children themselves) should be able to have an abortion. i don't think it's fair to ruin the lives of both mother and child when before a heartbeat is established and the fetus isn't actualy alive it can be removed without pain.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 10:50 am


I'm pro-choice. I want someone to find where it says in the bible that abortion is flat out murder? Seriously tell me where it is. I've yet to see a specific verse that says "If you abort a fetus you are sinning against me." But at the same time I've yet to see a verse that says it is not sin.

This debate is only based on human opinion and what you think is right or what he says is wrong. Who called you to be the judge of it? People who are pro-life base it off the scripture that says "I knew you in the womb." But it still doesn't state the sin.

I won't ever get an abortion because I honestly don't believe it's fair to the child that has yet to come, to never see a smile, to never hear a laugh, to never run around in green grass and a nice spring day. And I think once the child is conceived it should be able to experience all that.

But who am I to say that it's wrong for that mother to abort her kid? I don't know her circumstances, I don't know what she's going through, and I have no idea where she'll end up.

And if Abortion is a sin what makes it worse than any other sin? Nothing. All sin costs the same amount. It's wage is death. So if I chose to disobey my parents and not be forgiven of it, my sin would lead to my death. Just as if I were murder who didn't ask for forgiveness. So why do we start a debate on something that no one even bothers using biblical evdience instead of something like disobeying the ten commandments. We have solid proof on that.

But this one gets more emotion in and more opinions because everyone stands firm on one side or the other. So this makes a better debate. but why waste time debating over something that has been debated over time and in many other forums that yet has been provided with biblical evdience.

Not saying that I'm not guilty, I own a guild and I started this thread in the debate subforum. But why is this one such a big deal? Why do people care to agrue if it's sin or not, but yet they won't provide scripture to back up their claims?

Are you a mother who had to face death and abandoned three kids and a husband for a child to born? Or are you a mother who said that I have three kids and husband I'd be leaving behind, this kid doesn't know me yet and isn't alive. I'll sacrafice him for the love of the family that is here living already, so they'll know where my love lies and it's too hard to leave them?

Have you ever faced a choice like that? Or are you the girl who was raped and no that you can't handle this baby. And people will soon find out how you got pregnant or will call you a whore because your another stastics in the teen pregnancy of your generation? Are you the girl that every time the baby kicks inside you, that you are reminded of that night when you robbed of your innocence, every security you held close, and ever smile that had yet to shone?

What gives you the right to judge them saying they are murdering a life and sinning? Where's your biblical evdience to back it up instead of a your flesh's emotion towards the subject. But there's plenty of scripture to back up saying it's wrong to judge. Think about it.

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Gaylord Mule 3

PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 7:14 am


Oooooh. Good point.
PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 7:01 pm


girlfrompluto
Abortion is horriable that fetise should deserve to be a living thing what if abortion was something that was when jesus cam to the the earth and the virgin mary would have aborted. What if a fetise you aborted was suppost to be the person to change our world bring peace help us clean up our earth so we dont destroye it from gass and all that what instine would have been avorted what if you had been aborted

And what if it was to be the next Hitler? see theere are two sides to every issue. personaly i think that the first hitler should have been aborted.

Gaylord Mule 3


kairigirl321

PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 2:39 pm


Heres wat i think about abortion!


If you dont want the chance of having a baby then dont go off doing it!


Besides! Its a magor sin! If your a good christian then you shouldnt do that! In my eyes. You are killing a human being.You should go to jail. Im not going to go round killing older people and saying, o its ok. I just didnt want them any more so im just going to kill them! You did it, YOUR responsiblity!
PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 9:51 pm


I'm sorry, but abortion is not wrong. It is the choice of the pregnant woman and her choice alone. No one should be able to tell her that she has to have the baby. You are saying that just because the pill was faulty, or the condom broke that the girl has to give up years of her life for this fetus?

It's the woman's choice. I'm not trying to be mean, but most of you who are against abortion are also for the death sentence. That just seems like you are procastinators.

Kio Landera


Gaylord Mule 3

PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 4:50 am


Shuici7
I'm sorry, but abortion is not wrong. It is the choice of the pregnant woman and her choice alone. No one should be able to tell her that she has to have the baby. You are saying that just because the pill was faulty, or the condom broke that the girl has to give up years of her life for this fetus?

It's the woman's choice. I'm not trying to be mean, but most of you who are against abortion are also for the death sentence. That just seems like you are procastinators.


Well said but i am kind of hazy on your use of the term procrastiantors. is this some refferance to putting off the killing until a later date. or did you just not write hypocrites fro soem other reason?
PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 5:01 am


kairigirl321
Heres wat i think about abortion!


If you dont want the chance of having a baby then dont go off doing it!


Besides! Its a magor sin! If your a good christian then you shouldnt do that! In my eyes. You are killing a human being.You should go to jail. Im not going to go round killing older people and saying, o its ok. I just didnt want them any more so im just going to kill them! You did it, YOUR responsiblity!


I've got a kid i'll never meet and a nephew/niece i will never meet. and i'm damn glad. i was 16 when i got a phone call that went somtheing like this.

her:"hey____ this it ____"
me: "_____??"
her: "we met at a party a month or so ago..."
me: "oh, yeah i remember."
her:"ummm i don't know how to say this so i'll just say it. I missed my period-"
me(interjecting):"oh s**t."
her:"-don't worry i've already had it taken care of"
me:"meaning?"
her: "i had it aborted"
me: "and you just called to tell me this?"
her:"yeah i thought yuo might want to know"
me:"thanks"
her:"OK well.....bye then"
*click*

see i couldn't even remember this girl and i would have had to pay child support for a child i couldn't even remember concieving. worse than that i was living about an hours drive away. and we were both still in school. she was a year younger than me. do yuo realy thing this girl; could have been emotionaly ready to raise a child? or finacialy able for that matter. that abortion of a month old fetus saved her life. now she has a chance to live and grow and realy love someone, to settle down with a guy and start a family.

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Lithanus
Captain

PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 10:41 am


It is because of this truth that you can't really just say its good or bad. It leads me to believe that maybe it is the situation that determines it. On the other spectrum of events, a grown woman can be sexually promiscuous and get an abortion every time she gets pregnant just to avoid responsibility. Of course at the same time, should someone like that really be raising kids? Then you have issues like over population and the like and you start to wonder if it might actually be a good idea. The problem with that way of thinking though is that you diminish the value of life more and more thinking that way. Its a hard decision to make, either way you make sacrifices. Hooray for politics...... rolleyes
PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 1:36 pm


Lazarus The Resurected
Shuici7
I'm sorry, but abortion is not wrong. It is the choice of the pregnant woman and her choice alone. No one should be able to tell her that she has to have the baby. You are saying that just because the pill was faulty, or the condom broke that the girl has to give up years of her life for this fetus?

It's the woman's choice. I'm not trying to be mean, but most of you who are against abortion are also for the death sentence. That just seems like you are procastinators.


Well said but i am kind of hazy on your use of the term procrastiantors. is this some refferance to putting off the killing until a later date. or did you just not write hypocrites fro soem other reason?

Thank you very much. As to what I meant by procrastination, most of the people here seems like they are unwilling to 'kill' a fetus but support killing actual people. Im saying it seems like they would just wait.

Kio Landera


Gaylord Mule 3

PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 3:35 pm


Lithanus
It is because of this truth that you can't really just say its good or bad. It leads me to believe that maybe it is the situation that determines it. On the other spectrum of events, a grown woman can be sexually promiscuous and get an abortion every time she gets pregnant just to avoid responsibility. Of course at the same time, should someone like that really be raising kids? Then you have issues like over population and the like and you start to wonder if it might actually be a good idea. The problem with that way of thinking though is that you diminish the value of life more and more thinking that way. Its a hard decision to make, either way you make sacrifices. Hooray for politics...... rolleyes
personaly it's not much of a choice for me. i consider the beginging of life to be the exit from the womb, anythign before that is totaly fair game.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 12:51 am


Satan is a liar.

I just compiled an entire debate for pro-life with bible verses. It took me over two hours and I lost the entire thing. sweatdrop

flineagle


Lithanus
Captain

PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 4:04 pm


Ouch! That bites. I'm sorry to hear that. Maybe you can just address a few issues for now?
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