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You make it out as you want to, I never implied anything. Get it yet? rolleyes





Yes, they are actually. Thats what I'm debating over. People on this thread are talking about meat eating being natural, and feral humans in the wild being able to survive on it. Your body cannot process raw meat like it can raw fruits vegetables, thats what I'm arguing. If you were to do a completly natural raw, no cooking, no preparation, living in the wild diet (I'm sure there's going to be a bunch of you swarming with 'Well we could cook it!' comments now, which isn't the point.) you woudn't be able to live on raw meat, you'd have to forage and live on fruits and veggies and resort to meat eating only when other foods aren't available. If you can't take the time to read what I said instead of attempting to put words in my mouth "that's your problem".





Again, I never mentioned or commented on the 'living to be over 100' crap, you did.

I'm done with this topic now, feel free to rant all you want.

Yeah I agree with you with the whole post........I'm also tired of having this same argument with people!

Yeah we really are, we are the only ones that spend our time on this earth arguing over what we should and should not eat. razz

We're omnivores.

1) In the case of our abilities to be able to digest certain things. The appendix used to secrete very powerful acids to aid the stomach in the digestion of raw meat. After we discovered fire there was no need for the appendix since the fire helped to break down the meat. The appendix became useless through time as people born with mutations that gave them mal-functioning appendixes were able to survive since fire was used. We now have cases where human beings are no longer born with appendixes. Therefore our bodies had the ability to digest raw meat at one point and still does with the help of fire since we've used it for so long.

2) Cavemen and cavewomen relied heavily upon veggies nearby, while the males hunted (which often resulted in no catch) The rest picked fruits and berries to prepare for food. Meat was a rarity, only until human kind began to hunt strategically with traps and such did meat become more common on their dinner plates. This is why we digest veggies better than meat, after eating a piece of steak you become a bit tired and want to just lie there. That's not the case with veggies. We've relied on veggies for a much longer time than meat. We can still consume meat but we do extremely well with just veggies. We were not "meant" to be either one, carnivore or herbivore, we developed as an omnivoric (don't even know if it's a real word) species but we lean heavily towards vegetarian because our bodies handle it better.

(I'm just going to go as far as i can, i'm really tired, i can tell some of my sentences are completey out of wack but whatever i'm tired but i want to write o__O)

3) We don't have nails, we don't have very strong mucles, not much of anything of speed, but we do have brains. We didn't evolve with any of the more common predator traits because we simply didn't need them. Our species, or rather the environment worked on our brains the most. We have society, working in numbers as an organized unit leads to better results than being solo. Our ability to set traps, break-up herds or scare them over a cliff to their deaths (which is what happened a lot) lead to a lot more food than sharp teeth and claws could have done. We are top predator because of our ability to organize and plan ahead a bit. We can communicate with language and we can shape things in our environment to meet our needs. Point: Only because an animal doesn't have sharp teeth, claws, strenght and speed doesn't mean it's not a predator.

4) It's healthiest to be vegan/vegetarian because of the was our bodies will handle the food. All the nutrients necesarry to thrive can be found in plants, the most argued about being protein can also be found in veggies. We have soy protein! Protein can be found in soy, beans, basically the whole legume family i think, small questities here and there in vegetables like lettuce and such (My eyes just want to strangle me right now @_@). BUT! The nutrients needed to just SURVIVE cannot be acquired in an only-meat diet! This one should be obvious so i won't get into to it. But the real fighting is on vegan/vegetarian versus omnivorism. Both are healthy and can lead to a life reahing and passing 100yrs. of age!, BUT studies have shown you're less likely to become sick if you're a veg person than if you included meat in your diet. You're also non likely to be affected by the avian flu or madcow disease obviously if you're not comsuming meat, there's that plus. And just to throw it in there what you call meat here in the U.S. isn't 100% meat. To let you think about it i'll just say meat doesn't stay good for months out in mother nature, makes you wonder what kind of stuff is put into that "meat". The effects of preservatives, artificial flavoring and coloriung and such aren't COMPLETELY known so i'd just rather be safe than sorry.



AGGGHHH, this is as afar as my brain will let me go, sorry if i wasn't even on the current discussion, i read ther first post and then just begain typing. XP

sorry, know this is an old post, but im agnostic so im not christian, in fact one of the reasons i hate the religion is for what im about to tell you. it states clearly that man was given dominion over the animals, states that jesus ate fish, has a list of the animals people ARE and arent allowed to eat. no, the bible condones it, which is one of the reasons i hate it

Just because that's what you believe doesn't justify it for everyone else. Here's a fact. Some people HAVE to eat meat. There is no way around it. I have been a vegetarian off and on several times for ethical and health reasons, and each time I had to quit because of severe chest pains. I eat meat again, and BAM no more chest pains. Coincedence, each and every single time? I think not. You say we don't "need" to eat meat any more based on what we're capable of doing now. Why is it, then, that many vegans and vegetarians need to take nutritional supplements to make up for the vitamins they're missing from not eating meat? Those who don't end up as skinny, non-physically fit, virtually no muscle-massed twigs. To have to take substitute pills and vitamins to make up for what we're lacking in meat is not a sign that we should be giving up meat. It's the natural way, whether you like it or not.

A person who chooses to exclude meat from their diet will still survive no problem.
A person who ONLY eats meat will end up dying.
Humans aren't designed to eat meat...if we were, than we could be like them lions and tigers who eat other animals. We aren't carnivores.
Humans aren't even anatomically suited to be omnivores, let alone carnivors.
Humans are suppose to be herbivores.