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 Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 3:31 am
TANRailgun The Living Force TANRailgun The Living Force TANRailgun The Living Force Plenty of movies had black characters in a positive light, they were just completely domesticated servants who loved their white masters to death. If you look at the context of the time in which the character was written however, it was extremely progressive, as was Remus's spiritual predecessors, Uncle Tom, and ****** Jim. While all of these characters are racist depictions by modern standards, at the time these characters were written these depictions were actually quite revolutionary. Prior to this black people were lucky if they were simply depicted as furniture and not hulking, rabid, animals, or raping and murdering machines. And the casting of a black man in the movie was also quite revolutionary, as it had never been done in a major movie production in the US (as far as I know). That being said, I have to agree with the Kap'n on this, I didn't honestly think of Derpy as being depicted as mentally challenged until you tried to make the argument that she was. The progressivism served a purpose; to sterilize the racist history. Also, it could have been used to complement other racist stereotypes: free black people were barbaric, slaves were civil. The history of stereotyping of black people in the US changed so frequently, it's amazing people ate it up every time. Racists aren't a hard sell, though. People don't recognize many isms in everyday life. ****** Jim was an escaped slave, and he was a protagonist, and depicted in what probably amounts to the least racist and most positive depiction of African Americans at the time. Your argument (that they were just trying to cover their asses and rewrite history) only works until you realize that Harriet Beecher Stowe (author of Uncle Tom's Cabin, Uncle Tom the character on whom Uncle Remus is based) was an abolitionist, and was the one who arguably started the whole "Black Uncle" archetype as an attempt to humanize African Americans, and make them more sympathetic. Now it's also true that the author of the Uncle Remus stories was pro-slavery and used much the same arguments as you do as an attempt to paint slavery in a kinder light. If we don't recognize "isms" then why do people get their panties all in a bundle over them? The argument still works. They managed to convince people fairly well, didn't they? Because some people are more aware of them. I feel like bluh in my head and I can't think so night. Obviously not, as the abolitionists won. The only "black uncle/aunt" image that survives today (to my knowledge) is Aunt Jemima...and don't ******** dare try to take away my Aunt Jemima! I love that woman and her syrup!...even if she is depicted in a slightly racist way...still. Anywho, so what you're saying is that if someone thinks something is offensive, then it is? So if I were to say that I find Christianity offensive because it says that I deserve to suffer for all eternity in a pit of fire and pain, then Christianity is inherently offensive and they should be censored because I don't like it? Yet racism prevails. Thrives, even. What I am saying, and have been trying to impress upon y'all, is that it's not cricket to create a character who exhibits stereotypical features for the amusement of their audiences. You might not be influenced by it, that's swell. You're not the target demographic. Plenty of kids make "retard" jokes, and this sort of thing won't help dissuade them from doing it. And, as I said earlier, it makes an large grouping of people into a punchline. People deserve to be treated better, with respect, not derision.
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 1:14 pm
Derpy was in this episode? I need to see it bad!
Was wearing my Brony T-Shirt out and about today. A woman in her late 20's told me she liked the shirt - asked her if its because of the shirt or the show. Guess she didn't know about the show being made new and was eager to get home and check it out. Told me I made her day - like a boss!
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 1:34 pm
The Living Force TANRailgun The Living Force TANRailgun The Living Force The progressivism served a purpose; to sterilize the racist history. Also, it could have been used to complement other racist stereotypes: free black people were barbaric, slaves were civil. The history of stereotyping of black people in the US changed so frequently, it's amazing people ate it up every time. Racists aren't a hard sell, though. People don't recognize many isms in everyday life. ****** Jim was an escaped slave, and he was a protagonist, and depicted in what probably amounts to the least racist and most positive depiction of African Americans at the time. Your argument (that they were just trying to cover their asses and rewrite history) only works until you realize that Harriet Beecher Stowe (author of Uncle Tom's Cabin, Uncle Tom the character on whom Uncle Remus is based) was an abolitionist, and was the one who arguably started the whole "Black Uncle" archetype as an attempt to humanize African Americans, and make them more sympathetic. Now it's also true that the author of the Uncle Remus stories was pro-slavery and used much the same arguments as you do as an attempt to paint slavery in a kinder light. If we don't recognize "isms" then why do people get their panties all in a bundle over them? The argument still works. They managed to convince people fairly well, didn't they? Because some people are more aware of them. I feel like bluh in my head and I can't think so night. Obviously not, as the abolitionists won. The only "black uncle/aunt" image that survives today (to my knowledge) is Aunt Jemima...and don't ******** dare try to take away my Aunt Jemima! I love that woman and her syrup!...even if she is depicted in a slightly racist way...still. Anywho, so what you're saying is that if someone thinks something is offensive, then it is? So if I were to say that I find Christianity offensive because it says that I deserve to suffer for all eternity in a pit of fire and pain, then Christianity is inherently offensive and they should be censored because I don't like it? Yet racism prevails. Thrives, even. What I am saying, and have been trying to impress upon y'all, is that it's not cricket to create a character who exhibits stereotypical features for the amusement of their audiences. You might not be influenced by it, that's swell. You're not the target demographic. Plenty of kids make "retard" jokes, and this sort of thing won't help dissuade them from doing it. And, as I said earlier, it makes an large grouping of people into a punchline. People deserve to be treated better, with respect, not derision. Prevails? No, Thrives? Most certainly not. Still exists? sure. And if you're the only ones who think it's a joke, that makes it a joke? WTF kind of logic is that for a Jedi? .
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 1:37 pm
Mimetic Hybrid Derpy was in this episode? I need to see it bad! Was wearing my Brony T-Shirt out and about today. A woman in her late 20's told me she liked the shirt - asked her if its because of the shirt or the show. Guess she didn't know about the show being made new and was eager to get home and check it out. Told me I made her day - like a boss! Lol, awesome story, I ordered a custom hoodie that says "WWTSD?" and has a pic of twilight sparkle's cutie mark, but it has yet to get here... >.< Anywho, link for jooooo.
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 1:59 pm
The Living Force it's not cricket to create a character who exhibits stereotypical features for the amusement of their audiences So, by that thar logic I shouldn't exist on this here website. 'Cause I ain't sure 'bout ye, but methinks I display them "stereotypical" features o' a pirate. Though I ain't entirely sure if'n I do
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 3:29 pm
Just got Sailor Moon 3 and now I am laughing my butt off. Yup I can die a happy person after all. xd
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:11 pm
TANRailgun Mimetic Hybrid Derpy was in this episode? I need to see it bad! Was wearing my Brony T-Shirt out and about today. A woman in her late 20's told me she liked the shirt - asked her if its because of the shirt or the show. Guess she didn't know about the show being made new and was eager to get home and check it out. Told me I made her day - like a boss! Lol, awesome story, I ordered a custom hoodie that says "WWTSD?" and has a pic of twilight sparkle's cutie mark, but it has yet to get here... >.< Anywho, link for jooooo. Can't see it - it's marked as a private video =/ This is the T-Shirt that I have though - they sell it at Hot Topic. http://www.hottopic.com/hottopic/Apparel/TShirts/My-Little-Pony-Brony-TShirt-138545.jsp
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:29 pm
Mimetic Hybrid TANRailgun Mimetic Hybrid Derpy was in this episode? I need to see it bad! Was wearing my Brony T-Shirt out and about today. A woman in her late 20's told me she liked the shirt - asked her if its because of the shirt or the show. Guess she didn't know about the show being made new and was eager to get home and check it out. Told me I made her day - like a boss! Lol, awesome story, I ordered a custom hoodie that says "WWTSD?" and has a pic of twilight sparkle's cutie mark, but it has yet to get here... >.< Anywho, link for jooooo. Can't see it - it's marked as a private video =/ This is the T-Shirt that I have though - they sell it at Hot Topic. http://www.hottopic.com/hottopic/Apparel/TShirts/My-Little-Pony-Brony-TShirt-138545.jsp ...the links only last an hour or so it seems until they get taken down somehow.
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 8:08 pm
So it turns out that the voice actress thought Derpy was supposed to be a boy, and that's why Derpy sounds the way she does. She was trying to make Derpy sound like her neighbor's young kid.
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 8:25 pm
marshmallowcreampie So it turns out that the voice actress thought Derpy was supposed to be a boy, and that's why Derpy sounds the way she does. She was trying to make Derpy sound like her neighbor's young kid. Yeah I read that on EQD, so therefor CQC's opinion is invalid blaugh
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:07 am
Awesome episode by far. Best part: Apple JACK! You broke your PINKIE PROMISE!
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:21 am
Look, there's not enough information in the show to come to an accurate conclusion about Derpy.
We'll just have to wait for the show to progress before we can make any conclusions on what Derpy is or isn't.
Hopefully there will be more.
I can see being pissed if this is the only reference to Derpy for multiple reasons, but I think there will be more. 3nodding
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:35 pm
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/save-derpy
The writers are just as privileged as could be expected. How dare a small group of marginalized people try and take away something from their huge-a** entitlement complex selves?
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:49 pm
The Living Force http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/save-derpy The writers are just as privileged as could be expected. How dare a small group of marginalized people try and take away something from their huge-a** entitlement complex selves? What "writers"? confused
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:51 pm
marshmallowcreampie The Living Force http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/save-derpy The writers are just as privileged as could be expected. How dare a small group of marginalized people try and take away something from their huge-a** entitlement complex selves? What "writers"? confused Whoever contributed to the piece on knowyourmeme.
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