|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 10:30 pm
Can you explain Orginal Sin? I have always found it interesting, but I'm not sure I get it exactly. See, my religion doesn't belive in Original sin. For man is punished for his own sins, and not for adams transgresion. That is our doctrine.
|
 |
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 11:17 pm
My understanding of it is extremely rudamentary. From what I know Original Sin is being born due to the fact that one's parents had sex, because sex spurns from lust or something and that's a sin. So, because you came from sin, you've sinned and must do something. Blarg? whee
|
 |
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 11:44 pm
Gemstone My understanding of it is extremely rudamentary. From what I know Original Sin is being born due to the fact that one's parents had sex, because sex spurns from lust or something and that's a sin. So, because you came from sin, you've sinned and must do something. Blarg? whee Thats what I thought too, but in my religion Sex is not a sin, it's a blessing and a commandment between husband and wife. Only a sin if done outside of mairrage.
|
 |
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 11:47 pm
My religion in a nut shell.
QUICK FACTS & INTERESTING TIDBITS About The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
Fleeing continued mob attacks, 158 years ago today the first Mormon pioneers desperately started their Westward trek from Illinois in the dead of winter. Of the 70,000 who began this 1300-mile journey, 6,000 were buried along the way, including many children. The following are quick facts and interesting tidbits about this now flourishing church.
OVERVIEW
* Named "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints"; informal nicknames are "LDS" or "Mormon."
* Believes it's the Lord's restoration of original Christianity as foretold to occur before Christ's Second Coming.
* Core focus is that Christ and His teachings bring happiness in this life and exaltation in the next.
HISTORY
* In 1820 14-yr-old Joseph Smith told of a vision of God and Christ foretelling a church restoration.
* Organized in New York in 1830, the church moved to near Cleveland, then near Kansas City, then Illinois.
* Fleeing Illinois, Mormon pioneers founded Salt Lake City in Utah and over 600 other Western communities.
SALT LAKE CITY
* Temple Square in Salt Lake has over 5 million annual visitors, more than the Grand Canyon.
* The Mormon Tabernacle Choir is the world's most famous and has the world's oldest radio program.
* The Salt Lake Temple is the most famous, but there are 128 other temples built or underway.
* Home of the world's largest genealogy database; visit it online or through 3,700 free branch libraries.
ACTIVE CONGREGATIONS
* Sunday services entail a three-hour block of three meetings; about 27,000 congregations exist worldwide.
* Highly vibrant programs exist for youth, children, singles, men, and women; very strong family focus.
* Everyone has a calling; some surveys show LDS have the highest U.S. attendance and service rates.
* Families receive personal fellowship visits at home from other members on a monthly basis.
FINANCES
* Members tithe 10 percent, plus donate generously to the needy the first Sunday of each month.
* Clergy and all other congregational positions are unpaid (however, much of the janitorial is paid).
* The church has no debt; all buildings are paid for in cash (average of two new congregations a day).
* The paid positions in Salt Lake are famously low-salaried; funds are frugally used and tightly audited.
HEALTH CODE
* With a health code from 1833, LDS avoid alcohol, tobacco, illegal drugs, coffee, and tea (herbal tea is ok).
* This 1833 code also teaches grains (especially wheat), fresh fruits and vegetables, and sparing use of meat.
* A UCLA study showed that active LDS live longer than most Americans, men by 11 years, women by 8.
* Utah is 50th in smoking, alcohol consumption, drunk driving, heart disease, cancer, and sick days.
EDUCATION
* With four colleges, Utah's BYU with 30,000 students is the largest single-campus private college.
* BYU Independent Study with 130,000 students is North America (340 web courses, 530 via mail).
* Seminary, a daily class usually held around 6:00 A.M., serves 376,000 high school students.
* There are Institutes of Religion at 1,950 colleges worldwide that serve 367,000 college students.
* The church operates schools in parts of the Pacific Ocean and Mexico for 10,000 students.
* Utah is 50th in spending per pupil, but first in adults that graduated from high school and attended college.
WOMEN
* In 1842 the "Relief Society" was organized; it's the largest women's organization in the world.
* Wyoming was first to allow women to vote; Utah was second, two months later, in 1870.
* Women preach from the pulpit and serve as organization presidents, teachers, committee chairs, etc.
SHARING CHRIST'S GOOD NEWS
* 61,000 missionaries serve in 165 countries; 93 percent are college-age; 22 percent are female.
* Unpaid and paying their own way, most work 65 hours a week for two years, often in a new language.
MEMBERSHIP DISTRIBUTION
* LDS are 70 percent of Utah, 30 percent of Idaho; after Catholics, LDS are the largest sect in 10 states.
* The church has 5.5 million members in the U.S., making it the fourth largest individual U.S. denomination.
* Some memberships: New Zealand 95k, Japan 115k, UK 175k, Philippines 500k, Brazil 900k, Mexico 925k.
* Worldwide 51 percent are female; about 55 percent are not Caucasian; about 70 percent are converts.
MEMBERSHIP GROWTH
* For the last 15 years, every day an average of 800+ people worldwide joined the LDS church.
* Half of the growth is in Latin America, but the rate of growth is highest in Africa and the former Soviet bloc.
* Worldwide membership just passed 12 million, a tenfold increase in 50 years.
* In 1984 a non-LDS professor estimated 265 million members by 2080; so far growth has been faster.
* As this growth has been steady, he said it will be the "first 'new' major world religion since Islam."
CHARITY/SERVICE
* Members in need obtain welfare from the LDS Church (thus Utah government welfare spending is very low).
* LDS donate time at 220 welfare storehouses or canneries and about 400 farms (a FL ranch is 312k acres).
* There are 210 employment centers placing over 175,000 people annually, and 64 family service centers.
* The church operates 46 thrift stores, in part to provide employment for the disadvantaged.
* The 61,000 missionaries spend half a day each week doing non-proselytizing community service.
HUMANITARIAN ASSISTANCE
* Over 200 million pounds of food, clothing, and medicine were donated in the last 20 years in 147 countries.
* Almost all of this help is to non-LDS; LDS charities also work with and donate to many non-LDS charities.
* Very rapid disaster relief has been given in 144 major disasters since 1986.
* Almost 3,000 welfare "missionaries" work without pay in 55 countries (farm instructors, doctors, teachers...).
* LDS charities fund a wide variety of projects like drilling water wells or funding small business startup loans.
* New in 2001, members in poor areas can get low-rate college loans; 10,000 loans have been made to date.
GRAB BAG
* Utah is first in: charitable giving, scientists, household computers, children with two parents, and birth rate.
* Noted LDS included five senators, the Osmonds, Gladys Knight, Steve Young, and the inventor of TV.
* LDS played a key role in the 2002 Winter Olympics; the chair is now the governor of Massachusetts.
* Hawaii's #1 tourist site is the LDS Polynesian Cultural Center (Tonga and the Samoas are one-third LDS).
* LDS have sponsored Boy Scout troops since 1913; 23 percent of all Scout troops are LDS.
* The BYU Women's Cross Country were national champions or in second place each of the last seven years.
DETROIT AREA
* The Detroit metro area has 30 congregations; the Dearborn chapel is on Rotunda by Ford's Building #5.
* Detroit has a temple, storehouse, cannery, employment and family service office, and family history libraries.
* LDS include former Governor Romney, three former Lions quarterbacks, and hundreds of Ford employees.
|
 |
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 12:20 am
Gwyndara My religion in a nut shell.QUICK FACTS & INTERESTING TIDBITS About The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints... Whoa! That's one heck of a nut shell! But wicked informative, thanks for sharing!
|
 |
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 3:12 am
Malkut Erisad Malkut Saint making takes a LONG time. While I wouldn't be surprised at ALL, he's got to have a few miracles attributed to him for a few years first. 100 years is about how long it often takes. I don't think Mother Teresa is a saint yet. Huh? Why that long...can't you just call them a saint when they died after a good life and all that jazz? I'm clueless I know... sweatdrop They go through a whole process called beatification. First the church has to decide they're a good person (I think this has definatly already happened). Then people have to bring forth cases saying that that certain person has performed miracles in their lives. Then those miracles have to be investigated to make sure that they're not fake. It's a bunch of red tape, but it was started back in the days where if your family paid a shitton of money you could be a saint right after you died. It's to keep that from happening. Oh. smile
|
 |
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 10:35 am
I know that religion! I've only heard bits about it before. Thanks for the facts, most people I've talked to only say harsh generalizations about Mormons. Though I remember now I talked to a lady who was one and she was really nice and she was open and accepting of things I had to say while we had a religious discussion. I do think it sucks that you don't get to celebrate Halloween, especially since I've never, ever considered it to be anything along the lines of religious or satanic, and aren't allowed tattoo's and such, but otherwise I'm glad you found something that works for you and is spiritually fulfilling heart I admire you too, as I don't think I could follow a religion, every time I get near to doing anything an organized religion does, I get this wierd feeling like my chest is being sat upon, my soul is receeding deep inside my body uncomfortably. Though that's just probably because of that woman I told you guys about in one of my earlier posts in this thread. stare I hope Karma gets her... constantly terrifying children... horrible woman... xd
|
 |
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 10:40 am
Gwyndara Can you explain Orginal Sin? I have always found it interesting, but I'm not sure I get it exactly. See, my religion doesn't belive in Original sin. For man is punished for his own sins, and not for adams transgresion. That is our doctrine. The original sin was not sex. Sex for reproduction and within marriage is considered a wonderful thing. I've heard two things for what the original sin was...Some say it was defying God by eating the apple from the tree of knowledge. Others say that it was the murder of Able by Cain. Either way, sex doesn't factor in, it's only sinful if it's outside of marriage, or harmful to either participant. I lean more towards the original sin being defying God and eating the fruit. That is what got them banished from Eden. And since we all now have the knowledge of good and evil, that makes sense. Though how Mary could have been born without the traces of that sin, but WITH knowledge of good and evil...convoluted stuff. Anyway, Baptism washes away Original and all other sin, according to Catholic belief, so that you don't have to worry about it anymore, just the new ones you commit.
|
 |
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 10:45 am
Gwyndara My religion in a nut shell.QUICK FACTS & INTERESTING TIDBITS About The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints I've attended services at the LDS church in town a few times, as well as the youth group every Wednesday when I was young. It was amazing how friendly and welcoming everyone was. My family have often befriended missionaries, and made sure they get a good homecooked meal weekly, even though we are Catholic, and many Catholics can't stand LDS. My karate teacher of 11 years is Mormon. He's got the year's stockpile of food in his house, and was married in the Tabernacle in Utah. smile I've heard a story that one of the original tabernacles was built with inspired plans...leaving all these strange holes throughout the structure that the builders really didn't know what they could be for. Decades later they became perfectly arranged heat/air vents and elevator shafts. Not sure how true, but I've always found it to be an amazing story, and I wouldn't be surprised if it is true..
|
 |
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 10:25 pm
Malkut Gwyndara My religion in a nut shell.QUICK FACTS & INTERESTING TIDBITS About The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints I've attended services at the LDS church in town a few times, as well as the youth group every Wednesday when I was young. It was amazing how friendly and welcoming everyone was. My family have often befriended missionaries, and made sure they get a good homecooked meal weekly, even though we are Catholic, and many Catholics can't stand LDS. My karate teacher of 11 years is Mormon. He's got the year's stockpile of food in his house, and was married in the Tabernacle in Utah. smile I've heard a story that one of the original tabernacles was built with inspired plans...leaving all these strange holes throughout the structure that the builders really didn't know what they could be for. Decades later they became perfectly arranged heat/air vents and elevator shafts. Not sure how true, but I've always found it to be an amazing story, and I wouldn't be surprised if it is true.. What you speak of is the Salt Lake City Temple. And yes it is ture, that they had eleveator shafts and heat/air vents. Before such things were ever considered a posibility.
|
 |
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 10:27 pm
I am touched by the acceptance of you, my friends. I was half dreading the response I would get. Thank you for being open and kind.
I sincerely enjoy reading about the things that you all belive.
This guild truely is like a sanctuary for me out side of my real life. heart
|
 |
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 6:17 am
Gwyndara I am touched by the acceptance of you, my friends. I was half dreading the response I would get. Thank you for being open and kind. I sincerely enjoy reading about the things that you all belive. This guild truely is like a sanctuary for me out side of my real life. heart We're sisters and goddesses together. Could you expect anything less? biggrin heart biggrin
|
 |
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 7:39 am
It is good that we can all come here and talk and try to understand each other I think.
I was watching the news some last night about the announcement of the new pope. So many people seemed so overjoyed about it. My boyfriend is Catholic, and he was really excited too. I have to admit that I didn't quite feel the same, I guess it's because I don't know a lot about the pope since I'm a Protestant. But it was really good to see so many people coming together. I hope that the new pope makes as much of an impact on the world and for peace as John Paul II did.
|
 |
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2005 12:56 am
Oh I am so excited Passover starts today!
It is such a great tradition. No I'm not Jewish, but I have Jewish friends, and in the past, I have participated in this wonderful wonderful tradition. It is so beautiful. I think I'm going to try and get my husband to let us have a Passover in our home this year!
|
 |
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 12:40 pm
I'm answering for the sake of answering but truth be told, every time I see this topic pop up, I suddenly feel very uncomfortable and like I don't belong here...or anywhere. It's just a silly stupid thread but still...it's always a little painful.
But you know...everyone here has the right to say what they think and I'm no exception.
I was born and raised Catholic...and I still am Catholic.
I know no one means any real offence by it, but I really do take offence when children who have been brought up and remained in the faith are referred to as brainwashed. The only way you can prove you were not "brainwashed" by a faith is to abandon it? That's a real smack in the face to those who really think about it...a lot. Some people spend their whole lives wrestling with their beliefs and questioning God. That goes for any religion that people were born, raised and stayed with. What makes the person who has been a Pagan since birth any less "brainwashed" then the Christian?
I'm 21 and I've been on the internet for many years. It's not like I haven't been exposed to anything and taken things to heart actually thought about it and I'm still here. Do I agree with absolutely everything? No, but most of it is very petty and outside the Church anyway, having nothing to do with actual beliefs themselves. However I do agree with enough significant differences to be Catholic specifically instead of another flavor of Christianity.
I do not believe that forced conversion and scaring children is the way to go about spreading the word. Most of the people here are living proof that this sort of behavior can produce an opposite reaction. Yes I do believe Hell exists but at the same time I make it a personal rule not to tell any that they are going there. I could say that I think they are doing something wrong...but I know full well I could go to Hell myself. Catholics say you have to be baptized to attain salvation because it's the only way we know of. However we must not forget that we're not the ones who make the final call...
A theology teacher once told his class that if you go to heaven you'll most likely be surprised by three things...
1.) Those who are in heaven 2.) Those who are not 3.) The fact that you are there yourself.
I've once been asked on Gaia how can I live with myself knowing that my boyfriend (an Episcopalian turned agnostic) is heading for Hell and I'm not doing anything about it (she was not aware at the time that he is a baptized Christian). Do you know how painful that is to think about? It's not like tomorrow I can just say "Oh well then I won't believe in Hell anymore" and everything will be alright. Hell either exists or it doesn't. It can't suddenly disappear (or reappear for that matter) because I changed my mind. But you know...I know my boyfriend and aggressively doing something about it will never change his mind. Never. If anything I'd loose him and instill a prejudice against my faith. All I can do is love him as he is and be worthy of his love. If he comes back...or even converts...it must be his decision.
But...how could I live with myself? Am I really doing the loving thing by letting it go?
You see what I mean about wrestling with it?
Gah I rambled. Sorry ladies. I just get so frustrated sometimes and now I'm losing my train of thought.
Even those who do aggressively seek to convert others (through words...violence is a no no O_O)...I bear no ill will. I appreciate what they are trying to do for me...trying to prevent me from going to the worst place imaginable. I really do appreciate that they risk getting such a bad reputation for my sake. I don't believe I'll change my mind and switch faiths, but I can't dislike them for it.
|
 |
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|