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 Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 1:56 pm
Chakatai Khan Visual Brian "I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ." - Ghandi Please don't let Christians define Christ for you D; Funny you should quote that, it's been playing on repeat in my head for the whole day. There are very few things that go beyond my ability to empathize, but the bigotry of so-called Christians is one of them. I do not understand how a person can be so blind to their own grotesque hypocrisy, how they claim to be "just sinners too" but at the same time, judge anything and everything that is not them.Being so completely baffled as I am when I try to understand that is quite hilarious, actually. Try imagining a sphere with corners. That is how I feel when I try to understand the logic behind that attitude. To be honest, I have hardly ever faced such pure evil and malice as I face daily with these "Christians". good good Ghandi was a smart man. o: Jesus was a Jew and I'm sure he felt the same way about the Pharisees. Squire Kaito I think that was referring to Jewish priest not being allowed to sleep with anyone, but I'm not sure. :/ Hi. : D Thanks for the response. I really mean this in the most polite way possible: I have no idea how you could come up with that one. Could you explain to me? o: Squire Kaito In one of the gospels, Jesus said that it's not what goes into the mouth, but what comes out of it that determines purity. That abolished the Kosher law. I was explaining the viewpoints of the argument that annoys me. Haha. xP I don't actually believe that we're under Levitical law. Squire Kaito Lots about Leviticus :/ Christ explained and abolished a few of these laws in the new testament. The new testament is a modle for christian life under grace, so some of the old testament is a bit... unreliable? It takes alot of time and devotion to sort it all out really, whih is why there are so many mistakes :/ Pretty much everything you said about the Jews was right :/ Though you did get a little harsh towards the end... I think god also used them to illustrate how people can go astray. I don't believe the old testament is unreliable. O: It's not as applicable today as it was back then, but it all points to Christ. Plus it's heavily supported by archaeology. There's a lot of stuff to be found in there, but I agree that a lot of mistakes are made because of the confusion around the OT. And harsh: maybe. I guess more during the wandering in the wilderness they were unfaithful. They got better, I should have mentioned that. x: Squire Kaito Where in the bible does God forbid Homosexuality? I've been looking for it forever: It just looks like the Jews made their own law on the matter and started punishing it with the death penalty :/ They had a slight tendancy to forget that "The Lord commandeth, thou shalt not kill.">.> Oops, did I say that? My badd~ I meant to say that there's a lot of scripture used against us by the people who believe the Bible condemns homosexuality, which it doesn't in my belief. Usually just the "clobber passages." Everywhere marriage is demonstrated with a man and a women (but not saying that's the way it has to be). Practically any verse with the mention of a gender taken out of context and interpreted incorrectly can be used against us. O: You can probably google a list, but it never says straight up: "being gay is wrong." The closest it gets is "homosexuals shall not inherit the kingdom of god," and that's only in certain translations and translated from greek extremely loosely. That particular verse is more close to: "older men who like to sleep with young soft boys shall not inherit the kingdom of god." some loose loose translations haha. and btw, you're cool. : D
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 6:16 pm
Visual Brian Squire Kaito I think that was referring to Jewish priest not being allowed to sleep with anyone, but I'm not sure. :/ Hi. : D Thanks for the response. I really mean this in the most polite way possible: I have no idea how you could come up with that one. Could you explain to me? o: XD I misread waht you put... Ignore that, it was unintelligible. X/ Visual Brian Squire Kaito Lots about Leviticus :/ Christ explained and abolished a few of these laws in the new testament. The new testament is a modle for christian life under grace, so some of the old testament is a bit... unreliable? It takes alot of time and devotion to sort it all out really, whih is why there are so many mistakes :/ Pretty much everything you said about the Jews was right :/ Though you did get a little harsh towards the end... I think god also used them to illustrate how people can go astray. I don't believe the old testament is unreliable. O: It's not as applicable today as it was back then, but it all points to Christ. Plus it's heavily supported by archaeology. There's a lot of stuff to be found in there, but I agree that a lot of mistakes are made because of the confusion around the OT. And harsh: maybe. I guess more during the wandering in the wilderness they were unfaithful. They got better, I should have mentioned that. x: I guess unreliable isn't really the best word to use here, I just can't think of one that fits it XD I study theology as a hobby, I scrape English in school sweatdrop Visual Brian Squire Kaito Where in the bible does God forbid Homosexuality? I've been looking for it forever: It just looks like the Jews made their own law on the matter and started punishing it with the death penalty :/ They had a slight tendancy to forget that "The Lord commandeth, thou shalt not kill.">.> Oops, did I say that? My badd~ I meant to say that there's a lot of scripture used against us by the people who believe the Bible condemns homosexuality, which it doesn't in my belief. Usually just the "clobber passages." Everywhere marriage is demonstrated with a man and a women (but not saying that's the way it has to be). Practically any verse with the mention of a gender taken out of context and interpreted incorrectly can be used against us. O: You can probably google a list, but it never says straight up: "being gay is wrong." The closest it gets is "homosexuals shall not inherit the kingdom of god," and that's only in certain translations and translated from greek extremely loosely. That particular verse is more close to: "older men who like to sleep with young soft boys shall not inherit the kingdom of god." some loose loose translations haha. and btw, you're cool. : D You didn't say that God forbid homosexuality, I was just pointing out the fact that I haven't found it in the bible after extensive searching>.> Lolz at the loose translation. And thanks biggrin I know, I'm so awesome aren't I? XD Your pretty cool to. smile
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 7:57 pm
Im a Muslim. I wear hijab. I pray 5 times a day (well, if i feel motivated enough to read the morning prayer sweatdrop ) and I fast in the month of Ramadan. I've been on holy pilgrimage to the Kaaba in Saudi Arabia and have visited the graves of many imams.
Oh yeah, and I'm confused about my sexuality. xp
Idk what it says word for word in the Bible, but when I looked up homosexuality in the Quran, it describes the Sodomites as committing acts of lust. Well, that describes a lot of what they did. They abandoned and cheated on their wives, they committed many attempts of rape, and many other things that can be described as "lustful".
Yeah, my parents aren't too big on homosexuality, as well as the rest of my family (I don't think I can ever tell them about my feelings sad ), but I feel that even if homosexuality is a sin, I don't find it as major as others. Lying, stealing, and backbiting are sins, because people are being hurt because of it. But if you are gay, how is that going to affect anyone negatively?
I believe in questioning what you believe constantly in order to reaffirm those beliefs, if that really makes sense. 3nodding
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 8:50 pm
That's more or less what they were guilty of in the Bible, too. Depending on your interpretation, they were guilty of anything ranging from horrible hospitality, to really depraved sexual acts.
The best part is, in the story in the Bible, Lot (the supposed holy man) offered his daughters to the Sodomites. "Here, rape the girls, but don't harm these male strangers." So all in all, I don't think it's really such a great example of morality. x3
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 1:13 pm
I am gay, and not sure of my religion. I don't know what to believe, as life right now is very conflicting for me. One day it's good, one day it's bad. I believe that if there is a god, he loves as all equally, race, religion, or sexuality!
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 3:07 pm
I am Pansexual/Bi and I follow Quakerism and Buddhism. I get a lot of crap about from people asking if I worship a little gold statue and rub bellies. Buddha was an actual person and Buddhist follow Buddha's teaching (like Jesus apostles followed him) Buddha teaches that we should respect all forms of life and love our selves and others. My aunt and cousins tried to bring me up Catholic, I like the teachings of Jesus and stuff. But when I was there in church they seemed to promote so much hate and anger. It didn't help me tho being Bi and having an open mind.
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 4:53 pm
Visual Brian good good Ghandi was a smart man. o: Jesus was a Jew and I'm sure he felt the same way about the Pharisees. The Pharisees are actually kind of revered in Jewish history. The people that don't like them aren't Jewish. I don't really care what non-Jewish people think about Jewish theology and history. Quote: I was explaining the viewpoints of the argument that annoys me. Haha. xP I don't actually believe that we're under Levitical law.
And you're not. You're under the Noahide laws, EVERYONE is, which also ban sexual immorality. It depends on what you define sexual immorality to be.
Quote: I don't believe the old testament is unreliable. O: It's not as applicable today as it was back then, but it all points to Christ. Plus it's heavily supported by archaeology. There's a lot of stuff to be found in there, but I agree that a lot of mistakes are made because of the confusion around the OT. And harsh: maybe. I guess more during the wandering in the wilderness they were unfaithful. They got better, I should have mentioned that. x:
No, it doesn't. The Hebrew Bible only points to Christ if you want it to. A major thing to consider is that the Messiah in Jewish Theology is not the son of God. This is because God has no physical incarnations (which is heresy) nor is ever more than one, incorporeal being. Deuteronomy 6:4
Also, the covenant the Jewish people have with God is sort of harsh. The Mosaic covenant basically says if you do not obey you will be punished.
Quote: Oops, did I say that? My badd~ I meant to say that there's a lot of scripture used against us by the people who believe the Bible condemns homosexuality, which it doesn't in my belief. Usually just the "clobber passages." Everywhere marriage is demonstrated with a man and a women (but not saying that's the way it has to be). Practically any verse with the mention of a gender taken out of context and interpreted incorrectly can be used against us. O: You can probably google a list, but it never says straight up: "being gay is wrong." The closest it gets is "homosexuals shall not inherit the kingdom of god," and that's only in certain translations and translated from greek extremely loosely. That particular verse is more close to: "older men who like to sleep with young soft boys shall not inherit the kingdom of god." some loose loose translations haha. and btw, you're cool. : D
The basic idea is that a man cannot be the master of another man. There is no hebrew word for husband and wife, its woman and master.
That being said, 4 of America's 5 Jewish denominations typically wed same-sex couples.
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:17 pm
well im catholic and bi (more gay than straight though)
honestly i just think of any actions i take as either being obviously immoral or not immoral. i mean i think the whole point of my religion (imo at least) is to just generally be a good person by abstaining from doing anything that you would consider immoral as well as trying to get others to do the same. because of this i don't think homosexuality could be a sin since it by itself doesn't really hurt anyone at all. i don't feel like it could be lust either since i view that as the presence of solely sexual desire lacking any actual love for people.
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Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 2:46 pm
Shilberu Erikku Here's a question: Why DON'T people WANT to pay attention to the contradictions of the Bible? A contradiction in the bible means a flaw in someones belief system. a flaw in someones belief systems means that the basis of that person's moral structure is shattered. nobody wants to admit something that would make them question their beliefs, let alon the way they've been living their whole life (and probably the only way they know how). People just cant handle that kind of thing.
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Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 3:00 pm
CheizLord Shilberu Erikku Here's a question: Why DON'T people WANT to pay attention to the contradictions of the Bible? A contradiction in the bible means a flaw in someones belief system. a flaw in someones belief systems means that the basis of that person's moral structure is shattered. nobody wants to admit something that would make them question their beliefs, let alon the way they've been living their whole life (and probably the only way they know how). People just cant handle that kind of thing. meh i would say part of it is because most of the contradictions are between the old and new testament, the new testament tend to be what the catholic church at least focuses on.
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Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 3:22 pm
neko-mata-01 CheizLord Shilberu Erikku Here's a question: Why DON'T people WANT to pay attention to the contradictions of the Bible? A contradiction in the bible means a flaw in someones belief system. a flaw in someones belief systems means that the basis of that person's moral structure is shattered. nobody wants to admit something that would make them question their beliefs, let alon the way they've been living their whole life (and probably the only way they know how). People just cant handle that kind of thing. meh i would say part of it is because most of the contradictions are between the old and new testament, the new testament tend to be what the catholic church at least focuses on. well I was speaking more from an emotional standpoint then a factual one.
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Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 5:32 pm
CheizLord Shilberu Erikku Here's a question: Why DON'T people WANT to pay attention to the contradictions of the Bible? A contradiction in the bible means a flaw in someones belief system. a flaw in someones belief systems means that the basis of that person's moral structure is shattered. nobody wants to admit something that would make them question their beliefs, let alon the way they've been living their whole life (and probably the only way they know how). People just cant handle that kind of thing. Those people need to grow the ******** up.
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Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:28 pm
Shilberu Erikku CheizLord Shilberu Erikku Here's a question: Why DON'T people WANT to pay attention to the contradictions of the Bible? A contradiction in the bible means a flaw in someones belief system. a flaw in someones belief systems means that the basis of that person's moral structure is shattered. nobody wants to admit something that would make them question their beliefs, let alon the way they've been living their whole life (and probably the only way they know how). People just cant handle that kind of thing. Those people need to grow the ******** up. I wholeheartedly agree.
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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 11:54 am
As a Christian, I have to say that anyone who says that homosexuals are bad because the Bible says so have not read it.
The only example in the Bible that could even be taken as meaning that "God"* is against gays would be the story of Lot and the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, where "God" said something along the lines of "They lay with men as they would lay with women" (although obviously gay men wouldn't lay with women). This is supposed to be an example of how the men and women of the two cities were having unnatural sex, but in reality the texts could be interpreted in many ways, including a nonsexual translation.
Therefore, it is my conclusion that religion is not an excuse to be a homophobe.
*NOTE: I put God in " " to avoid possibly offending other religious groups that may read this post.
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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 1:39 pm
Barrett Jaeger As a Christian, I have to say that anyone who says that homosexuals are bad because the Bible says so have not read it. The only example in the Bible that could even be taken as meaning that "God"* is against gays would be the story of Lot and the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, where "God" said something along the lines of "They lay with men as they would lay with women" (although obviously gay men wouldn't lay with women). This is supposed to be an example of how the men and women of the two cities were having unnatural sex, but in reality the texts could be interpreted in many ways, including a nonsexual translation. Therefore, it is my conclusion that religion is not an excuse to be a homophobe. *NOTE: I put God in " " to avoid possibly offending other religious groups that may read this post. God with a capital G tends to refer to the Hebrew God in English. And no, you don't understand the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. Good think Ezekiel can explain it. Ezekiel 16:49-50 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good. The sin of Sodom and Gomorrah was arrogance, pride, and not loving their neighbors/hostile to visitors. There are SO many abominations in the Hebrew Bible that it could have been eating catfish or having sex with a woman on her period.
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