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 Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 12:34 am
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Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 1:51 am
Shilberu Erikku Atrum_Anima Shilberu Erikku Atrum_Anima Shilberu Erikku becuase there isn't any. If you go to France, Japan, or South Korea, you see culture, but when you take a look at the US, you don't see ANY culture. I completely disagree. Yeah, maybe if you look into your backyard you won't see a ton of culture, but each city in the U.S. has its own unique culture. Chicago is different from New York, which is different from Pittsburgh, which is different from San Francisco, which is different from Orlando, which is different from Oklahoma City, which is different from Louisville (etc.). If you tried telling someone from New Orleans, San Antonio, or Detroit that they have no culture, you might just get punched in the face. Like I said before, I used to see your side of it, but got over it. One reason I got over it was because I explored the little towns near the closest city to me and found so much culture there. You'll never see any of it if you're not open to it. It's not that I'm not open to it, it's just that it isn't obvious. I'm a real culture enthusiaist, and when I hear "culture" Japan and Korea come to mind so......... So, in other words, you're not patriotic or oversee U.S. culture because the U.S. isn't similar to Japan or Korea? No, I'm just saying that the US doesn't have ay obvious culture, if there's any culture at all. I can't think of a single example.
Here in Hawai'i, we have one of the largest populations of Asiatic people; People from China, people from Japan, from Korea, the Philippines (okay, Filipino people technically are not "Asian" by descent, more of by geographic location), Thai, and the Vietnamese, etc. From this, Hawai'i has developed it's own culture based on that of those Asiatic races.
Sure, we don't have everything down like the Hanboks from Korea, and Kimono's from Japan, but by being in America, the cultures from those people have slowly started to adapt and change into this new culture that now exists here today. This sort of new culture you would see only in Hawai'i because this is where this new culture was formed. Then again, I wouldn't say this new culture is all that amazing, but it's still different.
We also do have people from Samoa, Tonga, Polynesia, Micronesia, (of course) the Hawaiians, and they also have their own culture existing here in Hawai'i, too. I'm not saying that this is fact, nor do I fully believe this to be true, but it is possible from them that the Asians have slightly altered some of their culture by influences of these people, and vice-versa.
I believe that these off-shoots of other cultures are subjective to location, because everywhere in the country are different levels of different races. Hawai'i has this Asian thing going on because we have a very large population of Asians (we also have a lot of Pacific Islanders as well). Arizona (from what I hear by other people is filled with Mexican people, therefore, I would believe that Arizona has some Mexican-based culture.
So agreeing with Atrum, each city would definitely have it's own sort-of unique culture. But all of this is still a matter of personal opinion. If you disagree (or just feel like trolling), feel free to do so.
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Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 11:37 am
Shilberu Erikku Atrum_Anima Shilberu Erikku Atrum_Anima Shilberu Erikku becuase there isn't any. If you go to France, Japan, or South Korea, you see culture, but when you take a look at the US, you don't see ANY culture. I completely disagree. Yeah, maybe if you look into your backyard you won't see a ton of culture, but each city in the U.S. has its own unique culture. Chicago is different from New York, which is different from Pittsburgh, which is different from San Francisco, which is different from Orlando, which is different from Oklahoma City, which is different from Louisville (etc.). If you tried telling someone from New Orleans, San Antonio, or Detroit that they have no culture, you might just get punched in the face. Like I said before, I used to see your side of it, but got over it. One reason I got over it was because I explored the little towns near the closest city to me and found so much culture there. You'll never see any of it if you're not open to it. It's not that I'm not open to it, it's just that it isn't obvious. I'm a real culture enthusiaist, and when I hear "culture" Japan and Korea come to mind so......... So, in other words, you're not patriotic or oversee U.S. culture because the U.S. isn't similar to Japan or Korea? No, I'm just saying that the US doesn't have ay obvious culture, if there's any culture at all. I can't think of a single example. There are countless examples if you look towards local cultures. However, if you want to think of the U.S. as a whole, it's a bit more difficult. (But not that difficult) Here's a list of things that are part of our culture as a whole: -Our accents (even though you'll find different accents in different parts of America, they're all still American accents). -Our language. This is specifically unique because most countries are at least somewhat bilingual, whereas the U.S. speaks almost entirely English. -Our music. Not just country music or bluegrass, but a lot of other musical styles originated in the U.S. and continue to grow. -Our food. Fast food and the U.S.A. are practically one in the same, and yes, that's part of our culture. In addition, many other foods were invented in the U.S.: Reuben sandwiches, S'mores, Buffalo Wings, etc. And the list goes on.
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Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 11:50 am
Atrum_Anima There are countless examples if you look towards local cultures. However, if you want to think of the U.S. as a whole, it's a bit more difficult. (But not that difficult) Here's a list of things that are part of our culture as a whole: -Our accents (even though you'll find different accents in different parts of America, they're all still American accents). -Our language. This is specifically unique because most countries are at least somewhat bilingual, whereas the U.S. speaks almost entirely English. -Our music. Not just country music or bluegrass, but a lot of other musical styles originated in the U.S. and continue to grow. -Our food. Fast food and the U.S.A. are practically one in the same, and yes, that's part of our culture. In addition, many other foods were invented in the U.S.: Reuben sandwiches, S'mores, Buffalo Wings, etc. And the list goes on. I wish I could tip posts in guilds! Yes- the United States have culture, it's just that so much of our society is set to racist beliefs that many people can't fathom culture as anything but what other people have in other parts of the world. Poor Annette- she's British, when she came over to meet me for the first time she had a lot of culture shock- and this is from a place where we speak the same language and stuff.
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Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 12:37 pm
Shilberu Erikku Can someone tell me why, where people can recognize that nationalism was the driving force behind WWI, WWII, Vietnam, and is the driving force behind the ruthless insurgency in Iraq, that every ******** country still thinks it is a great thing to be patriotic. As much as I would like to say it is just America who blindly believes in the superiority of their own country, clearly we all participate in this ignorant farce. Why do we? And when will we realise that it doesn't matter at all in which specific area you were born, that we are all humans, and intrinsically the same? Fact: I believe in Democracy Fact: I am a believer in the Ideals of Liberty Fact: The United States is a Democratic nation that is placed as the third highest population on the planet. Now here is where I love this, if you look at this then by definition of my belief structure, the U.S. is superior to MOST OTHER COUNTRIES. Now in the case of China? well the Chinese belief structure is so different than China;s that I would support a war given the Chinese history of occupying and annexing their conquests. so really there is, by definition, only one country (India) that I find to be of a "Greater Population value with no current substantial reason to validate my support for a war" now let's look a little further in to this Fact: Humans, since the dawn of their existence, have lived in communities Fact: These communities ALL invariably grouped together as nations, were subjugated, or were wiped out. Fact:Humans throughout their histories have supported their tribal connections and the affiliation of that tribe with its larger grouping in scenarios such as war and sports since the beginning of human history (Sports came a little later but still) STATEMENT OF TRUTH BASED ON THE SUPPLIED EVIDENCE: Humans naturally cluster together in groups, and those groups naturally fight, therefore war is natural and nationalism is natural. your ideas come from the belief in egalitarianism, something that only survives this day because of nationalistic wars that freed nations such as France and the United States, which, prior to their revolutions, were existing based on a caste system that stated that some groups were intrinsically better and more fit to rule than others. Nothing is wrong with nationalism, hell your idea of global community is still nationalism because if some other group came into contact with the global community using hostile methods for whatever ends towards humans, then we would likely unite and fight. To me, a disregard of your nationalistic drive leads me to believe that you are either identifying yourself with a different group and would be easily manipulated into such a fight to back that group, or that you are of the like mind of a catholic priest in which you wish to foolishly give up the pleasures of your primal mind, or that you are simply a sociopath and do not have any feeling of connection in this world at all.
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Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:23 pm
Dusty-Boy Shilberu Erikku Can someone tell me why, where people can recognize that nationalism was the driving force behind WWI, WWII, Vietnam, and is the driving force behind the ruthless insurgency in Iraq, that every ******** country still thinks it is a great thing to be patriotic. As much as I would like to say it is just America who blindly believes in the superiority of their own country, clearly we all participate in this ignorant farce. Why do we? And when will we realise that it doesn't matter at all in which specific area you were born, that we are all humans, and intrinsically the same? Fact: I believe in Democracy Fact: I am a believer in the Ideals of Liberty Fact: The United States is a Democratic nation that is placed as the third highest population on the planet. Now here is where I love this, if you look at this then by definition of my belief structure, the U.S. is superior to MOST OTHER COUNTRIES. Now in the case of China? well the Chinese belief structure is so different than China;s that I would support a war given the Chinese history of occupying and annexing their conquests. so really there is, by definition, only one country (India) that I find to be of a "Greater Population value with no current substantial reason to validate my support for a war" now let's look a little further in to this Fact: Humans, since the dawn of their existence, have lived in communities Fact: These communities ALL invariably grouped together as nations, were subjugated, or were wiped out. Fact:Humans throughout their histories have supported their tribal connections and the affiliation of that tribe with its larger grouping in scenarios such as war and sports since the beginning of human history (Sports came a little later but still) STATEMENT OF TRUTH BASED ON THE SUPPLIED EVIDENCE: Humans naturally cluster together in groups, and those groups naturally fight, therefore war is natural and nationalism is natural. your ideas come from the belief in egalitarianism, something that only survives this day because of nationalistic wars that freed nations such as France and the United States, which, prior to their revolutions, were existing based on a caste system that stated that some groups were intrinsically better and more fit to rule than others. Nothing is wrong with nationalism, hell your idea of global community is still nationalism because if some other group came into contact with the global community using hostile methods for whatever ends towards humans, then we would likely unite and fight. To me, a disregard of your nationalistic drive leads me to believe that you are either identifying yourself with a different group and would be easily manipulated into such a fight to back that group, or that you are of the like mind of a catholic priest in which you wish to foolishly give up the pleasures of your primal mind, or that you are simply a sociopath and do not have any feeling of connection in this world at all. I guess it all just comes down to a combination of basic survival instinct and the human desperation for significance. sweatdrop
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Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:42 pm
Shilberu Erikku http://youtu.be/wCgx8zM3woQ epic!!!! where's the gay stereotypes though? lol
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Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:06 pm
Shilberu Erikku I guess it all just comes down to a combination of basic survival instinct and the human desperation for significance. sweatdrop Not really- a lot of it has to do with reinforcing an ideal. If it was only about survival- then there wouldn't have been the counter culture movement of the 60's.
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Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:18 pm
Shilberu Erikku Wolf of the Western Wind i love America and im proud of all its accomplishments, but im not really patriotic. hell, if im more patriotic ANY country, it'd be Japan! i love their culture, food, music, anime, games, archaeological records....pretty much everything! If only Japan and Korea completely dominated the world blaugh ^^'' as lovey dovey as that sounds I think I'll wait until they got their political issues sorted out.
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Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:28 pm
x-Yasashii-x Shilberu Erikku Wolf of the Western Wind i love America and im proud of all its accomplishments, but im not really patriotic. hell, if im more patriotic ANY country, it'd be Japan! i love their culture, food, music, anime, games, archaeological records....pretty much everything! If only Japan and Korea completely dominated the world blaugh ^^'' as lovey dovey as that sounds I think I'll wait until they got their political issues sorted out. true blaugh
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Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 2:23 am
I think Im more openview about this now becouse Ive met people from all round the world and I dont think it matter much where you from what more important is your view on thing and if youre educated but Ive noticed that when I lived in my country where I was born I wasnt very patriotic but only became patriotic after we left and Id always get pissed at people for saying that we dont love our country becouse we left it ... but yeah as I said at the top Im more open minded about things now and Im glad that I moved becouse I think I wouldnt turned out to be the person I am now if Id be living in my old country..... smile
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Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 11:13 pm
The Neko CatGirl well, that isn't really what patriotism is about. Shilberu Erikku The Neko CatGirl The United States of America has become independent from Britain, created (overall) equality for man and woman, helped defeat Japan and Germany in WWII, has and currently provides prosperity and abundance to her citizens, AND aliens, and has the highest quallity of life. Cmon, you HAVE to be SOMEWHAT proud. crying Shilberu Erikku The Neko CatGirl aren't you proud of your country and all it has accomplished? I'm not sure. neutral I am proud of our accomplishments and identity as a nation, but not the ground beneath our feet, if that makes any sense. Not really. If the town you lived in was in a different country, you'd still have some pride in your town, wouldn't you?
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Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 11:18 pm
Dusty-Boy Shilberu Erikku Can someone tell me why, where people can recognize that nationalism was the driving force behind WWI, WWII, Vietnam, and is the driving force behind the ruthless insurgency in Iraq, that every ******** country still thinks it is a great thing to be patriotic. As much as I would like to say it is just America who blindly believes in the superiority of their own country, clearly we all participate in this ignorant farce. Why do we? And when will we realise that it doesn't matter at all in which specific area you were born, that we are all humans, and intrinsically the same? Fact: I believe in Democracy Fact: I am a believer in the Ideals of Liberty Fact: The United States is a Democratic nation that is placed as the third highest population on the planet. Now here is where I love this, if you look at this then by definition of my belief structure, the U.S. is superior to MOST OTHER COUNTRIES. Now in the case of China? well the Chinese belief structure is so different than China;s that I would support a war given the Chinese history of occupying and annexing their conquests. so really there is, by definition, only one country (India) that I find to be of a "Greater Population value with no current substantial reason to validate my support for a war" now let's look a little further in to this Fact: Humans, since the dawn of their existence, have lived in communities Fact: These communities ALL invariably grouped together as nations, were subjugated, or were wiped out. Fact:Humans throughout their histories have supported their tribal connections and the affiliation of that tribe with its larger grouping in scenarios such as war and sports since the beginning of human history (Sports came a little later but still) STATEMENT OF TRUTH BASED ON THE SUPPLIED EVIDENCE: Humans naturally cluster together in groups, and those groups naturally fight, therefore war is natural and nationalism is natural. your ideas come from the belief in egalitarianism, something that only survives this day because of nationalistic wars that freed nations such as France and the United States, which, prior to their revolutions, were existing based on a caste system that stated that some groups were intrinsically better and more fit to rule than others. Nothing is wrong with nationalism, hell your idea of global community is still nationalism because if some other group came into contact with the global community using hostile methods for whatever ends towards humans, then we would likely unite and fight. To me, a disregard of your nationalistic drive leads me to believe that you are either identifying yourself with a different group and would be easily manipulated into such a fight to back that group, or that you are of the like mind of a catholic priest in which you wish to foolishly give up the pleasures of your primal mind, or that you are simply a sociopath and do not have any feeling of connection in this world at all. I just don't see any point to being proud in a country just because you happen to live there. And how exactly is nationalistic pride a "pleasure of the primal mind"?
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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 11:28 am
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Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 10:57 pm
yes, because its my town, not because it is in anouther country Shilberu Erikku The Neko CatGirl well, that isn't really what patriotism is about. Shilberu Erikku The Neko CatGirl The United States of America has become independent from Britain, created (overall) equality for man and woman, helped defeat Japan and Germany in WWII, has and currently provides prosperity and abundance to her citizens, AND aliens, and has the highest quallity of life. Cmon, you HAVE to be SOMEWHAT proud. crying Shilberu Erikku The Neko CatGirl aren't you proud of your country and all it has accomplished? I'm not sure. neutral I am proud of our accomplishments and identity as a nation, but not the ground beneath our feet, if that makes any sense. Not really. If the town you lived in was in a different country, you'd still have some pride in your town, wouldn't you?
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