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Michael Noire

PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:52 am


YahuShalum
Michael Noire
YahuShalum
Michael Noire
Right now is an excellent time to buy metal, because the european market is crashing. I would suggest gradually buying more as the market tumbles, and pulling back from purchasing when it starts rising again.
What if it all just crashes and there is no rebound until let's say after a ww3?


if you look at my advice on page one, I suggest allotting the same blob of money on a regular basis, only increasing it when the cost goes up. After ww3, you will see some crisis here and some crisis there, and then you will have your opportunity to profit. Think of yourself in a Hotel Rwanda situation. Having a stockpile of precious metal is better than having a currency the conquerors may completely do away with - because then you can bribe your way out while there is still time.

Now assuming things will stabilize - because they always do - you can keep your reserves for years, or decades, and then use them for your future, or your children's future.

It's the 21st century and people are finding more, rather than less uses for precious metal. In the mean time, if metals drop through the roof, I'm going to be one hell of a happy camper, because then I can buy a** tons of gold and silver for heat sinks and wire, on the cheap.
Physical then. You need those metals with you not in some bank...


Absolutely. Today Silver has tumbled to 30 bucks. This is great news. If you look at my earlier statements, a person who gradually works their way up to spending a certain amount per month will find themselves able to buy in what essentially feels like "bulk".


the trick isn't to buy low and sell high, the trick is to get comfortable "saving" more of your income, and buying higher volumes. Metal is a long term, rather than a short term investment. You don't sell during a crisis, you sell during one of those stagnant months in a stagnant year where everything seems boring and stable.

Now is neither boring nor stable. We are just coming up to the crest of a horrifying roller coaster. Instead of buy-sell-buy on a low-high-low, you should be thinking buy-buy food-buy.
PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:55 am


Michael Noire
YahuShalum
Michael Noire
YahuShalum
Michael Noire
Right now is an excellent time to buy metal, because the european market is crashing. I would suggest gradually buying more as the market tumbles, and pulling back from purchasing when it starts rising again.
What if it all just crashes and there is no rebound until let's say after a ww3?


if you look at my advice on page one, I suggest allotting the same blob of money on a regular basis, only increasing it when the cost goes up. After ww3, you will see some crisis here and some crisis there, and then you will have your opportunity to profit. Think of yourself in a Hotel Rwanda situation. Having a stockpile of precious metal is better than having a currency the conquerors may completely do away with - because then you can bribe your way out while there is still time.

Now assuming things will stabilize - because they always do - you can keep your reserves for years, or decades, and then use them for your future, or your children's future.

It's the 21st century and people are finding more, rather than less uses for precious metal. In the mean time, if metals drop through the roof, I'm going to be one hell of a happy camper, because then I can buy a** tons of gold and silver for heat sinks and wire, on the cheap.
Physical then. You need those metals with you not in some bank...


Absolutely. Today Silver has tumbled to 30 bucks. This is great news. If you look at my earlier statements, a person who gradually works their way up to spending a certain amount per month will find themselves able to buy in what essentially feels like "bulk".


the trick isn't to buy low and sell high, the trick is to get comfortable "saving" more of your income, and buying higher volumes. Metal is a long term, rather than a short term investment. You don't sell during a crisis, you sell during one of those stagnant months in a stagnant year where everything seems boring and stable.

Now is neither boring nor stable. We are just coming up to the crest of a horrifying roller coaster. Instead of buy-sell-buy on a low-high-low, you should be thinking buy-buy food-buy.
Sounds reasonable to me. ^^

Azkeel


Michael Noire

PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 8:59 am


well my suspicions were matched yesterday and this morning after doing a little digging. When I went to the local bullion dealer, he had practically sold out of everything - and considering it was about noon and he opened at 10:30am in the middle of nowhere - that's pretty crazy. The only pieces he had left were a half dozen eagles buried in storage, some foreign junk, and a lumpy bar with no numismatic (shiny) value at all. My friend bought the lumpy bar and we headed out after learning how to judge the quality and colors of Jade (which actually costs more in China than in the US).

The next thing I discovered from various news articles is what happened to ALL markets. One thing that happened was requirement changes - the group comex or whatever declared people needed more assets as their minimum to invest in digital bullion, so people started liquidating their physical assets to meet the higher requirement.
Meltdown causes margin changes at comex

Additionally, you may have noticed some increased regulations and "minimums" that essentially lock out the poor from getting into it. The idea is when the economy is unstable, the haves get to keep and the have nots aren't even allowed to buy. Anyone shopping at Apmex will figure this out when seeing a 50 dollar minimum. Wholesalers see this when being faced with a $10,000 minimum from the same company.

Overall, the rise in premiums and minimums means those who are in are going to be the lucky few. While people are running to cash, there's a more devious incentive.

The people who sold their shares of metals often sold under value, with the specific intent to trigger a price collapse. They wanted to do this so that they could then use the cash profits to immediately buy back in bulk.

In stupid speak,

that means if I sell 400,000,000 in metal at 40 bucks an ounce, the size of my sale will make people piss themselves in panic. Then they will also sell to mimic my giant cockliness, lest they feel d**k shrunk. Me, knowing this, will wait a few days or hours, and then send my pretty little head hunters all over the neighborhood, or even across the country to buy out all these morons at 30 bucks an ounce. Now I've gone from 10 million ounces to 13 million ounces, with the decimal points paying for the fake secretaries and other little shoppers all pretending to be individual private buyers...


Did I mention that? I call them headhunters. They are these pretty little yuppies who travel across the world pretending to be private family members investing for their family's future. What they are is very similar to that chick from the Justin Timberlake movie, Friends with Benefits - the executive recruiter. They travel from point to point buying out lock stock and barrel one store after the next in what amounts to a road trip of hilarity. At first you would think they are a myth, but you see the same patterns over and over. These aren't the old dudes with the zztop beards who talk about 9/11 conspiracies and shotguns, these are soulless locusts who drain the precious metals from local communities at peculiar times and then funnel the metals to billionaires and banking institutions.
PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:38 pm


so if anyone's see the latest hitler-hulk on Stephen Colbert, then you understand exactly why metals are skiddish. First of all, the Euro is being threatened. When a world currency is being threatened, people run to the next nearest safe currency, basically hoping they won't lose their shirts in the bad currency investment they invested in. This of course makes that new currency (in this case, the dollar) seem much stronger than it really is. Why not go for metal? No idea. My guess is speed. The premium on metal tends to be higher than the premium on currency, because metal can appreciate and banks charge very low percentages to produce foreign currency - generally less than the currency exchange people at the airport (like everything else - the airport overcharges).

So since money is only going to inflate over a given decade (depreciate) and the interest rates are between 0.5 and 5% to convert currencies, often less for currency brokers, it is cheaper than the premium you might find at Apmex or at a coin dealer, which if your units are very small, can be as high as 20%.

Of course, if your metal appreciates 50% while your currency depreciates 5% over a 1-3 year span, it makes sense to take the 20% hit to make that 30% profit. But if you only have a few hours or days to pull out completely and your game is currencies, then going to the dollar instead of waiting for Hitler is probably the safest thing to do.

The only problem is you only get to do it once, maybe twice. I.E. you can run to the dollar, then the yuan and/or yen, but if those go down, your are going to be standing in a very long line with your wheelbarrel of money to buy one silver eagle.

Michael Noire


God Emperor Akhenaton

PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 1:14 am


Yes your currency choice is very stupid.
PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:13 am


God Emperor Akhenaton
Yes your currency choice is very stupid.


Absolutely agree. For example, I bought some stuff on a a 30+tax when I should have bought at 26/no tax. I recall buying lots of things with no value. But the worst of all, was probably the silver panda that wasn't. I'm still not sure if what I have is made of the wrong metal or simply too skinny to be 1 ounce, but it was one of the first things I ever bought and It taught me the powerful lesson of scams.

When in doubt, weigh it. Still in doubt, buy something else.

I've learned other things too. When a dealer seems to be charging too much it probably means the price is about to rise. When the premium starts rising but the price is low it means the dealer is loosing their shirt on sales.

I've made many poor choices, like buying gold at what amounts to near zero premium before it dropped. These all seem like poor choices for one reason or another. But they could also be seen as excellent decisions, depending on what I do with them.

A savings account that is below X may charge 20/month till the account closes. When I was a child, a savings account was a slow way to make money, not go broke. Now it's little different from a charge card. Compared to cash, a savings or checking account is a terrible currency choice - the price you pay to shop online.

When I was a child, we had something called COD - cash on delivery. It was a functional system whose critics have long since submitted themselves to worse fare.

Clearly, COD + Cash savings is a better hedge against inflation than a bank account that thinks it's a credit card and charges you interest and fees for being alive.

But what about stocks, bonds, or certificates of deposit? Stocks are no more reliable than metal, and usually less so. CDs are only a hop and skip from being 401Ks in terms of regulation, and bonds are like cash you can't touch - a thing that doesn't appreciate and loses value with inflation.

Germany once inflated their way out of debt. The US, Italy, Spain, and Greece could all do the same. After that point, things of real value will eventually be considerably more valuable, and for a brief moment in time, people will sell super cheap to get more of that money to get started again. When that happens, it's a good time to trade things like metal for other things. If you are paranoid - that's guns, if you aren't, that's real estate.

I've made plenty of stupid currency choices, but I think getting back to something more tangible isn't one of them.

Michael Noire


God Emperor Akhenaton

PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:05 pm


Stocks may be no more reliable than metal, but metal is no more reliable than stocks. The problem with this gold fad is that people are buying high and selling even higher. Americans are basically making the same mistake for the third time.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 9:16 am


My question for all of you is: What are you doing about it?
You can know everything or not about anything... What makes the difference is: what do you do with what you do know? And: How does it benefit you?



Speculators are looking to profit from arbitrage (buy low sell high), mostly with the ETF's that "represent" a commodity. People who are scared are buying it just to limit their losses even if they don't profit, but that's a pretty small percentage of investors in metals.

The lower the price goes the more I buy. Just 3 days ago I bought 112 ounces of silver. That's not a whole lot but it did double what I have now. I buy silver as an alternative to having a savings account where I can hold my investment capital for future investments. The primary benefit I buy for is basically the simplistic fact that when the metal in the coin becomes more valuable than a coin itself.... That tells me I should save the metal, not the coin. A secondary benefit is a hedge against the dollar should something very bad happens quickly. Ultimately though this silver will be used to transact real estate investment purchases both in the U.S and overseas.

EmotronPlays

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Michael Noire

PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 9:16 pm


Sephroe Zion
My question for all of you is: What are you doing about it?
You can know everything or not about anything... What makes the difference is: what do you do with what you do know? And: How does it benefit you?



Speculators are looking to profit from arbitrage (buy low sell high), mostly with the ETF's that "represent" a commodity. People who are scared are buying it just to limit their losses even if they don't profit, but that's a pretty small percentage of investors in metals.

The lower the price goes the more I buy. Just 3 days ago I bought 112 ounces of silver. That's not a whole lot but it did double what I have now. I buy silver as an alternative to having a savings account where I can hold my investment capital for future investments. The primary benefit I buy for is basically the simplistic fact that when the metal in the coin becomes more valuable than a coin itself.... That tells me I should save the metal, not the coin. A secondary benefit is a hedge against the dollar should something very bad happens quickly. Ultimately though this silver will be used to transact real estate investment purchases both in the U.S and overseas.


Your power of investment trumps mine. Instead of going metal hunting this week, we bought a truck. At least there's a gun show this weekend. As a rule of thumb, I recommend against posting exact amounts of valuables people have, for safety and security reasons.
PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 8:07 am


Security is hardly an issue, the risk are minuscule from anyone in this guild and appropriate forums and websites where business, investing, banking, and money are discussed where everything is a lot more transparent than what I just gave.

Even the notion of people participating in these discussions, especially depending on the type of investment, by default suggests that the person has significant wealth or savings even if they don't have enough to make the investment. For example, purchasing investment properties whether single family homes, or large apartment complexes.

We all know Donald Trump, Robert Kiyosaki, Muriel Siebert, Obama, Bill Gates, Micheal Dell, and Warren Buffet have lots of money, but not many people are out trying to rob them online or offline. Every purchase Buffet makes is spread across the news world wide. razz

EmotronPlays

Dapper Fatcat


Michael Noire

PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 1:33 pm


Sephroe Zion
Security is hardly an issue, the risk are minuscule from anyone in this guild and appropriate forums and websites where business, investing, banking, and money are discussed where everything is a lot more transparent than what I just gave.

Even the notion of people participating in these discussions, especially depending on the type of investment, by default suggests that the person has significant wealth or savings even if they don't have enough to make the investment. For example, purchasing investment properties whether single family homes, or large apartment complexes.

We all know Donald Trump, Robert Kiyosaki, Muriel Siebert, Obama, Bill Gates, Micheal Dell, and Warren Buffet have lots of money, but not many people are out trying to rob them online or offline. Every purchase Buffet makes is spread across the news world wide. razz


I thought no one messes with them because they have ninjas. I know one of my first acts as a billionaire will be hiring ninjas.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 1:33 pm


on to more serious issues:

http://theintelhub.com/2011/09/27/tightening-the-noose-france-bans-cash-sales-of-goldsilver-over-600/

Quote:
A couple of weeks ago our report that some Austrian banks had begun restricting the sale of gold and silver to 15,000 Euro (~$20,000 USD) reportedly because of money laundering issues was met with disbelief by many readers of financial news and information web sites.

As we mentioned in that commentary, it is our view that governments, namely in Western nations, are making it more difficult for individuals to make gold purchases, as well as to do so anonymously.

It looks like this trend of restricting the peoples’ ability to acquire assets of real monetary value is expanding.

If a recent report from France is accurate, and based on the French governments official web site it looks like it is, then as of September 1, 2011, anyone attempting to sell or purchase ferrous or non-ferrous metals, which includes gold and silver, will be required to pay for their purchase via a credit card or bank wire transfer if it exceeds 450€ (~ $600 USD):



This is a peculiar trend that may have unusual consequences on the price of gold, and may lead to a reenactment of a certain executive order 6102, or something extremely similar.

Michael Noire


EmotronPlays

Dapper Fatcat

PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 11:01 pm


To my knowledge, the IRS legally allows everyone to hold up to $10,000 in assets outside of the US without reporting it. It's best to check with the IRS articles on that though. That is 10k total, not per bank account.

How it works is if you save $10,000 in cash in a savings account that collects interest, the moment it hits $10,000.01 you are in violation of the law.

An interesting point though is that the value of bullion is recognized as the purchase price, or at least the spot price upon the time of deposit.

So if you deposit $10,000 in metal (a non cash flow, non interest, non dividend paying asset), if the price hits $100,000 per ounce and you had 10 ounces saved, the asset value is still $10,000 on paper until the time of sale.

An interesting exception to the gold confinscation along with art and jewelry, and sign making is that you could have your metals melted down into household items like spoons, forks, and knives, and at that point it is not considered bullion or coin. Even though 24 Karat gold is 99.999 Fine pure bullion grade metal.



If that ever happens though, I'll tell everyone that if you do release your metal under executive orders, with the cash you get for the face value, you better buy raw land or rental properties. Cash may be king, but if he who has the gold, makes the rules, then it doesn't matter who the king is if he only has cash and no gold. If you don't have gold, then you better have something of equivalent tangible value and use such as gold.

If you're looking for a quick profit you might put that cash into the stocks of gold mining companies, maybe even leverage that bet using futures and options, and count on the expected jump in gold values due to the increase lack of supply from the government hoarding it and banker manipulations. Assuming you win that bet (which seems pretty safe knowing the behavior of the banks and government) you would take the stockpile of cash you now have and buy a chunk of land somewhere you know gold exists, whether it be city property in Dubai, a gold rich city, or in the remote lands where you might lease mineral rights to mining companies.
PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 10:42 am


I think since we don't have allodial titles anymore and our arms rights are so limited, land isn't any better than cash or a debit account. See, it used to be different, but with imminent domain, a politician could, while favoring a special interest group paying for his banquette, could simply seize your land legally and kick you off. If you resisted, they could roll in choppers, tanks, or drones and then demolish your house with construction equipment like Banks are doing to foreclosed properties.

In other words, you only own land because the government agrees you do. They could change zoning codes and make you pay a tax they know exceeds your income, and then seize your land or imprison you for tax evasion. They could change tax codes for land in your county practically over night to accomplish the same thing, or do similar things to what Monsanto does to people's farms. They could suddenly require you 'work the land' or sell it at a slashed value, possibly even zero. They can do all of this because allodial land no longer exists and because they know you don't have a legal ability to defend your land. Your pistol, shotgun, and rifle mean nothing to them when they roll in with a Swat team, ATF tank, or national guard. And for land, they would do it, because land itself is valuable, but keeping it - that's hard.

Precious metal on the other hand, you can sneak off in the middle of the night with that on your person. You can hide it in a hill side deep in a forest or whatever in the dark of the night. This is the reality of precious metal that a deed simply doesn't have, because a deed can be nullified in a court of law, and forever loses its value, while a court order against metal, like 6102 - eventually passes with time and has no power, either in a future year, or in a foreign land.

Your idea of offshore bullion is nice, and in a stable economy that makes good sense. In my area, governments recently started raiding safety deposit boxes. They claimed the holders of the accounts hadn't checked up recently enough (I think it was 2-5 years), and so the account was considered "closed" and the assets were seized. If you ever see the movie "Blow", the main guy has offshore accounts, but the government has the assets frozen and taken. That can happen to anyone - even a would be government dictator like those in the Arab spring.

Michael Noire


Michael Noire

PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 6:38 pm


so ive been staring at charts for a while, and I think it's pretty conservative to say gold is going up about 100 bucks every 3.5 months. That's assuming a linear growth rather than one of those crazy curves. Hyper inflation is one of those things you can account for for crazy curves, so anticipate some of that.
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