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Isn't that kind of the whole point of heaven? That you won't end up staring at your living room wall, in a state of depression? It's called eternal paradise dear, not eternal more of the same old thing. Hypothetically speaking, if god can't even cure boredom, he's a pretty impotent god. : P
Please don't speak for all atheists. Because I'm sure many think that living forever would be damn nice. And if you'd stop to think about it, you'd realize that you're insulting all atheists by citing "not wanting to live forever", as the reason for atheism itself. That's saying that atheists merely choose to believe what they feel most comfortable with, which is the exact problem that many atheists have with religion.

God looks like what you imagine. If you think God is alien so God is alien for you.

Your point? Darwinism can be , and often is used the same way. No literally, Evolution is exactly like that, because it can't be proven, the links aren't complete, and I doubt that they ever will be. But my main point is, you can't fully prove evolution, just like you can't fully prove Religion, one or the other is right, and one day, it could come back to bite people. Sure if there isn't God, guess what? There would be no problem with murder, killing, stealing, raping others, and so fourth, people don't want to be accountable. Which is why they try to imagine some other reason to our existence than God, there is a law, because of that law, people don't always murder, do away with that, and a lot of people would gladly kill one another. :/ If there is no God, drinking, and doing all of these things like there is no tomorrow has no consequence, one way, or another, we are all going to end up in the ground; that is the basis for this mindset. However if there is a God, he knows our mind, our thoughts, what we do in the dark where only you are there, and people as a whole don't like their darkness being exposed, so we stay away from the concept of Hell. Now many people say that a loving God wouldn't send people to Hell, but he is also Holy, and a righteous judge. Should God not punish the murderer, or the rapist? Should he set them free to continue their ways? Now think about all of us now, we are all guilty, through Adam's sin, we have all sinned, none of us can complete the Ten Commandments, none of us are good enough. Since God is holy, he had to go out with what he said he would do, we had to have suffer for him to tell the truth, he would cease to be God. But God sent his only begotten son that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life. Jesus died, so we could all go to Heaven if we trust in him alone. In reality whether we all believe it or not, there is a another life someday, if you don't believe it, what if you're wrong though? (Not you as in you individually, but people in general.) What if there is another life? Then you've spent it all drinking, or doing something else that is wrong, other than putting trust in the God who sent his very own son so you could be with him, and then those people are going to be in Hell, and be in surprise because there will be no escaping it.

If I'm right, then because of somebody trusting in God for salvation, they spend eternity with him instead of apart from him in Hell.

If I'm wrong, what do I have to lose? Nothing, I'd just cease to work like a computer, the tv turns off, then I become not important anymore.

Heh, if you read my whole point, you would see what I was saying, and if you won't read it then meh. Of course Atheism sounds more sensible than Religion, if you want to run away. That is because you can see it with your own two eyes. and No, truthfully Atheism is the most violent religion. For example: Many wars have been caused by it. The Romans got rid of their morals, then the Roman Empire fell, Communism was an attempt to take God out of society, look at the destruction it caused, Hitler couldn't have believed in God truly, he was a mass murderer. There have been crusades by "Christians" But I wouldn't call the Christians. They claimed to serve God, they didn't though. You actually didn't read what I was saying, then again, most of what you said went off topic. The point of this thread is the claim of whether God exists or not right? How is it going off topic to go to the heart of the matter?

Here is a too long; didn't read of what I said:

Athiests/most scientists don't believe in God, they don't believe in an afterlife, most people use this as a means to escape justice, and accountability.

Those who believe in God, or afterlife believe in some kind of judgement, and Paradise.

There are many things that show God in our lives.

Atheists, and Darwinists claim that their claims are right despite not seeing it first hand, you could say the same about some Christians.

One of these have to be wrong, and neither can be proven until death.

You won't be forced to agree with me, many of these things can be registered as fact, you still won't believe it if you choose to hold to your values.

You sort of contradicted yourself by the way when you said that you can't take writings essays, etc and can't manipulate things to make it valid. Evolution isn't fully proven, I'm not saying that nothing changes over time, such as different types of fur, and colors. I believe in Micro Evolution, but not 360 change over millions of years.

And another thing, lets see here, you say that you can fully prove another animal eventually evolved into you and me based on a series of random events over millions of years that you have never witnessed yourself, turned them into a record and claimed that they have to be related, and state that as fact.

Versus, a creator that with complete love created us and gave us relevance, which one is harder to believe? I think Atheism, you got to believe a lot more, just to deny that God exists, you got to search any random direction to find any kind of so-called "Evidence." You could say that religion formed when some random guy looked up at a star and claimed they saw some rainbow monkey clown, but then why would that even start huh? There had to be something to make people believe in a higher power, and there is just no way that nothing can create anything.

Well then explain yourself then. And no, Athiesm is so a religion, a religion of believing in yourself rather than God, I see nothing backing any of the crap you've spewed. :3 Christianity isn't a religion either, it's a relationship, if you're thinking of Christianity as some kind of long mass, that isn't what it's even about. You can't disprove my point. I simply said if I'm wrong, we both cease to exist, but if I'm right, then those who don't believe are in trouble if they don't change. What is so hard to agree about that? Also, please don't assume that I'm trying to be rude or anything, I'm not. :/ I'm trying to be civil here.

No, I am a Christian, and it's funny. Ya know, if you want to play the ignorant game, why not explain yourself. BD It's really funny to see people who claim others are ignorant when they bring the cards to the table. How am I uneducated, or not knowing about things? I bet all your life, you've seen religion from a secular view point, but not everyone is about rules, religion is about rules and laws. The thing is, Christianity true biblical Christianity is about the relationship between God and man being restored by God's ability, not by the ability of mankind. This contradicts it being a religion, hence why I said that.

If you think you know everything, bring some cards to the table, you can claim evolution, and how the world started, and all of that, I won't disagree with 100% of it, but when it comes to the Missing Link, you are left wanting. None of these scientists, nor you have seen how the world has started, or when exactly Dinosaurs, and other prehistoric creatures roamed the earth, you can have guesses, but do you know with ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY that everything happened the way scientists wrote that it did? You have your guesses, and your bones, I have several things myself though, The Dead Sea Scrolls, The Ark ruins, the fact that many biblical predictions are coming true, and no, they are not simple. stare You can give me the man can't predict something from the past bologna, but I'm not talking from a worldly perspective, obviously no man can truly do that without some sort of spiritual help of some sort, God has explained what the last days would be like in his word, Wars, rumors of wars, famines, pestilences in strange places, false prophets, the rate of the gospel being preached would increase, Israel becoming a nation again is the biggest sign. Look into the history of how Israel was reborn, the chances were truly against them, but they stayed together as a nation after they founded in 1948. Since then, what the bible says has been coming true, wars have increased, natural disasters have increased, famines have grown worse, pestilences are becoming stronger, many people have claimed to be Jesus, look it up if you want to, they've caused tons of trouble, and then we have gospel stations like TBN, you can't deny all of those things together, the bible isn't saying the obvious that we will have wars, and all of those other signs, it says they will increase until Jesus will come back. That is basically one of the only things that hasn't happened yet. That and Israel being attacked, you can see that there are countries that wish to do so, and soon.

What does this crap have to do with the Illuminati? It's religious debate, and religious debates are worthless pieces of s**t because nobody ever listens to anyone else. When people talk about religion, do you know what comes out of it? Insults! Insults! Though, I will give you a s**ty website that says debate is stupid! See why HERE. Nobody gives a damn about unicorns' existence or fairies, but people apparently have a problem with God's existence, whether he exists or not. So sit down, shut up, and listen.

Besides, people are already getting into condescending dialogue, so the whole thing is ruined and not worth it anymore. Who ******* cares what people believe. I certainly don't care if I'm friends with a Muslim. If they're Muslim, then so be it!

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