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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:29 pm
Golden Spider of Kumo And By Freeze the earth, I mean make something similar to a temporary perma-frost. That would make someone unable to use earth jutsu on that ground, because of the fact all moisture in that earth is frozen, locking it in place. { I'd assume a Earth jutsu of Equal or a rank higher would nullify this effect, or even if the user of the earth jutsu specifies using it below the Perma-frost. Granted that would make a spire much shorter, and depending on jutsu rank possibly unable to peirce the perma-frost. It doesn't work like that Kumo... Frozen or not, earth is earth. Also, the layer of moist earth that usually freezes into frost is about three feet down. Yes, in the winter the frost reaches the top, but it starts way down in the ground. To freeze the ground the way you're talking would require a kages entire chakra capacity to freeze all the ground in the area, along with your supposed five inches on top. Without those five inches of ice though, It would be beyond simple for someone to just use the dirt as is, frozen or not. Dirt doesn't care if it's frozen. It's still dirt. Also, I don't really care how much water vapor is in the air, to make that thick of ice, you'd need a LOT of standing water.
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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:30 pm
Hinote Tosatsu The crystal bloodline actually claims to be able to turn pretty much anything into crystal. Most of the jutsu actually form the stuff from thin air, only a few make it from the ground. { Yes, I have been studying the crystal bloodline. No, you probably don't want to know why. Although it should be obvious. } Honestly, the crystals would most likely have the advantage in a head to head match with Hyoton. Why? Because as Akura so happily stated, they are very similar. The difference comes in that the crystal bloodline is far more versatile. Unless you're in the middle of a lake, the crystal will have the advantage in most places. It's also very strong against various ninjutsu attacks, so it would pretty easily block any attempts to freeze it. If you can launch hunks of ice at it at high speed, that'd probably do something, but anything else isn't going to help you much. The crystal bloodline is highly offensive, with it's focus on creating sharp things you can throw at people, and good with defense by coating yourself in it. Both bloodlines are pretty powerful, but the crystal would probably win in most fights. Really? Huh, I thought that in the bloodline description it siad they had to have a source of earth... Oh well, I guess that Hyouton and Crystal are alike in that matter. { Also, It would be hard to make it not obvious. } Idk about that Hinote, If I Isolate someone's crystal I'm not sure, but I don't think that it would be of much use, unless they have a jutsu that can make the crystal expand. Also, I do have a high speed attack jutsu... o3o It can't be stopped for four miles, and It says that anything caught in it's path would be very sorry. I'm taking it that if it were to hit a person, then it would basically mushify them. It says that the Kunai can't even be seen. o3o Plus Hyouton is said to be unable to be broken except by a Taijutsu specialists Strength. Crystal on the other hand has things called Faults, where the crystal is extremely weak. I'd say that someone would be able to break it on a fault without being a Taijutsu specialist.
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Hinote Tosatsu Vice Captain
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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:30 pm
Akura Bashirou (( Hinote to the rescue! )) Why have you been studying the bloodline Hinote? =O Partly because of that flail actually. I'd always skipped over that one, simply because it was pink, but looking more closely now, it's pretty cool.
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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:33 pm
Golden Spider of Kumo Gregar828 Golden Spider of Kumo Hinote Tosatsu Can't be melted by demon fire? Sorry, but that's not happening Kumo. There is nothing even close to invincibility in this guild, no matter how much you hype up your clan. If it's actually like that, it needs to be revised. It probably needs to be revised anyways, but that's not the point. Read it, It says Barely melted. Naruto didn't melt it with his blazing chakra when he fought Haku, he kinda just... Tackled Haku... And broke a couple mirrors... I can see why it would barely lemt it, Naruto's Kyuubi chakra is shown to be extremely hot, although in shipuuden they kinda forgot about it... Plus did the Kyuubi actually ever use fire? confused I just know it was extremely hot, but I didn't think it ever breathed flames. Nibi on the other hand... is kinda made of flames. Demon fire, being the fire of the Nibi, Yonbi, and Gobi, would easily melt Hyouton ice. Kyuubi doesnt use fire. Kumo, your severly overestimating just how powerful the Hyouton bloodline is. You cant "Freeze the earth", that makes no damn sense. You have to use wind and water to create ice, its the same concept as using earth and lightning to form crystal (I'm still unsure as to how lightning has anything to do with crystals, but it seems to be an OK fit.) Just because you can make everything colder does not mean that any animal is useless. Yes, a sanke is cold blooded and would be affected, but a naga is, for the most part, human, and humans are warm-blooded. And oh contrare, Mist is the absolute undeniably best village ever. Any counterarguments are rejected due to being completely false by even implying that mist is lesser to another village. I thought it said that Nibi and Kyuubi fire barely melted the ice... I can't remember, I think I need to re-read the Bloodline info, I've been misquoting things a lot lately. confused I know, But he has to have an actual supply of Earth to make it, I can use the water vapor in the air. And By Freeze the earth, I mean make something similar to a temporary perma-frost. That would make someone unable to use earth jutsu on that ground, because of the fact all moisture in that earth is frozen, locking it in place. { I'd assume a Earth jutsu of Equal or a rank higher would nullify this effect, or even if the user of the earth jutsu specifies using it below the Perma-frost. Granted that would make a spire much shorter, and depending on jutsu rank possibly unable to peirce the perma-frost. } I'm just saying against their True form, Because then they are literal snakes, more or less. Sorry Gregar, But Mist is Highly overrated, and honestly some of the biggest D-bags come from there. { Not calling anyone here a D-Bag, just from previous experience. } People that think they are Zabuza incarnate and lose to a five year old villager. Not even a ninja, I have killed Jonin ranked Mist ninja with a literal five year old villager who got a hold of a Kunai. But then the Team mate of the D-bag killed her. T^T Poor Five year old... He mustve been an especially bad RPer to lose to a genin (I'm assuming a five year old couldnt go higher than genin) as a Jounin. How did he even get to jounin? Every captain level member in this guild is a mist shinobi, and though I myself might be a controversy in some peoples eyes, none of us are D-bags. And as of yet, I havent seen any Zabuza remakes.
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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:33 pm
Hinote Tosatsu Golden Spider of Kumo And By Freeze the earth, I mean make something similar to a temporary perma-frost. That would make someone unable to use earth jutsu on that ground, because of the fact all moisture in that earth is frozen, locking it in place. { I'd assume a Earth jutsu of Equal or a rank higher would nullify this effect, or even if the user of the earth jutsu specifies using it below the Perma-frost. Granted that would make a spire much shorter, and depending on jutsu rank possibly unable to peirce the perma-frost. It doesn't work like that Kumo... Frozen or not, earth is earth. Also, the layer of moist earth that usually freezes into frost is about three feet down. Yes, in the winter the frost reaches the top, but it starts way down in the ground. To freeze the ground the way you're talking would require a kages entire chakra capacity to freeze all the ground in the area, along with your supposed five inches on top. Without those five inches of ice though, It would be beyond simple for someone to just use the dirt as is, frozen or not. Dirt doesn't care if it's frozen. It's still dirt. Also, I don't really care how much water vapor is in the air, to make that thick of ice, you'd need a LOT of standing water. I'm taking about actual Permafrost, like in the tundra. That is a major reason why Siberia isn't able to be drilled upon easily. That and about fifty feet down you hit literal ice. If Perma frost is capable of Detering a machine that uses up to 10000 kilograms of newtons in force, and is diamond tipped, I'd say that a Doton jutsu has relatively no chance. Perma frost actually is on top of the soil, for about five inches, below that is harder permafrost, and larger chunks of rock.
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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:37 pm
Golden Spider of Kumo Really? Huh, I thought that in the bloodline description it siad they had to have a source of earth... Oh well, I guess that Hyouton and Crystal are alike in that matter. { Also, It would be hard to make it not obvious. } Actually, whereas the crystal bloodline states that it can be formed from anything, the hyoton must be formed from water. Meaning the crystal has the advantage in that regard. Golden Spider of Kumo Idk about that Hinote, If I Isolate someone's crystal I'm not sure, but I don't think that it would be of much use, unless they have a jutsu that can make the crystal expand. The same could be said of isolating your ice with crystals. Of course, both are useless attempts. Your ice works in large things like that, while the crystal mostly works by augmenting the user, or making projectiles. Golden Spider of Kumo Also, I do have a high speed attack jutsu... o3o It can't be stopped for four miles, and It says that anything caught in it's path would be very sorry. I'm taking it that if it were to hit a person, then it would basically mushify them. It says that the Kunai can't even be seen. o3o Seeing as that is an S-Rank jutsu, I don't really think it counts. I'm talking high speed bowling ball sized chunks of ice. And in the event that the crystal just happens to be in the form of a blade, you'd have to hit it just right too, or it'd just chop up your ice making it pointless. Golden Spider of Kumo Plus Hyouton is said to be unable to be broken except by a Taijutsu specialists Strength. Crystal on the other hand has things called Faults, where the crystal is extremely weak. I'd say that someone would be able to break it on a fault without being a Taijutsu specialist. Actually, the crystal is about the same in that regard. It requires a strong taijutsu hit to break it. Anything else pretty much glances right off.
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Hinote Tosatsu Vice Captain
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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:37 pm
That faults thing for crystal, while saying Ice is stronger than crystal.........that logic is so wrong that I wont even take time to address it.
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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:37 pm
Gregar828 Golden Spider of Kumo Gregar828 Golden Spider of Kumo Hinote Tosatsu Can't be melted by demon fire? Sorry, but that's not happening Kumo. There is nothing even close to invincibility in this guild, no matter how much you hype up your clan. If it's actually like that, it needs to be revised. It probably needs to be revised anyways, but that's not the point. Read it, It says Barely melted. Naruto didn't melt it with his blazing chakra when he fought Haku, he kinda just... Tackled Haku... And broke a couple mirrors... I can see why it would barely lemt it, Naruto's Kyuubi chakra is shown to be extremely hot, although in shipuuden they kinda forgot about it... Plus did the Kyuubi actually ever use fire? confused I just know it was extremely hot, but I didn't think it ever breathed flames. Nibi on the other hand... is kinda made of flames. Demon fire, being the fire of the Nibi, Yonbi, and Gobi, would easily melt Hyouton ice. Kyuubi doesnt use fire. Kumo, your severly overestimating just how powerful the Hyouton bloodline is. You cant "Freeze the earth", that makes no damn sense. You have to use wind and water to create ice, its the same concept as using earth and lightning to form crystal (I'm still unsure as to how lightning has anything to do with crystals, but it seems to be an OK fit.) Just because you can make everything colder does not mean that any animal is useless. Yes, a sanke is cold blooded and would be affected, but a naga is, for the most part, human, and humans are warm-blooded. And oh contrare, Mist is the absolute undeniably best village ever. Any counterarguments are rejected due to being completely false by even implying that mist is lesser to another village. I thought it said that Nibi and Kyuubi fire barely melted the ice... I can't remember, I think I need to re-read the Bloodline info, I've been misquoting things a lot lately. confused I know, But he has to have an actual supply of Earth to make it, I can use the water vapor in the air. And By Freeze the earth, I mean make something similar to a temporary perma-frost. That would make someone unable to use earth jutsu on that ground, because of the fact all moisture in that earth is frozen, locking it in place. { I'd assume a Earth jutsu of Equal or a rank higher would nullify this effect, or even if the user of the earth jutsu specifies using it below the Perma-frost. Granted that would make a spire much shorter, and depending on jutsu rank possibly unable to peirce the perma-frost. } I'm just saying against their True form, Because then they are literal snakes, more or less. Sorry Gregar, But Mist is Highly overrated, and honestly some of the biggest D-bags come from there. { Not calling anyone here a D-Bag, just from previous experience. } People that think they are Zabuza incarnate and lose to a five year old villager. Not even a ninja, I have killed Jonin ranked Mist ninja with a literal five year old villager who got a hold of a Kunai. But then the Team mate of the D-bag killed her. T^T Poor Five year old... He mustve been an especially bad RPer to lose to a genin (I'm assuming a five year old couldnt go higher than genin) as a Jounin. How did he even get to jounin? Every captain level member in this guild is a mist shinobi, and though I myself might be a controversy in some peoples eyes, none of us are D-bags. And as of yet, I havent seen any Zabuza remakes. No, Not even Genin... not even Academy. literally it was a VILLAGER. Yeah, And I ended up tripping half of the time, and spent like five posts trying to get back up. I ended up cutting off a finger once because of the Kunai. And then The Jonin charged me, and my person kinda fell over backwards andgot stepped on, but stabbed the Jonin, tripped him, and well, the Kunai went completely through him killing him. and then the Jonin's squad member kinda went over and snapped my poor Villager's neck. T^T Like I said, I'm not saying that about this place, I'm just saying that's why i despise Kirigakure.
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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:38 pm
I had a feeling it had to do with one of my custom jutsu xD
@ Kumo: The crystal does expand, it depends on how much chakra you apply to it.
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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:42 pm
Golden Spider of Kumo Hinote Tosatsu Golden Spider of Kumo And By Freeze the earth, I mean make something similar to a temporary perma-frost. That would make someone unable to use earth jutsu on that ground, because of the fact all moisture in that earth is frozen, locking it in place. { I'd assume a Earth jutsu of Equal or a rank higher would nullify this effect, or even if the user of the earth jutsu specifies using it below the Perma-frost. Granted that would make a spire much shorter, and depending on jutsu rank possibly unable to peirce the perma-frost. It doesn't work like that Kumo... Frozen or not, earth is earth. Also, the layer of moist earth that usually freezes into frost is about three feet down. Yes, in the winter the frost reaches the top, but it starts way down in the ground. To freeze the ground the way you're talking would require a kages entire chakra capacity to freeze all the ground in the area, along with your supposed five inches on top. Without those five inches of ice though, It would be beyond simple for someone to just use the dirt as is, frozen or not. Dirt doesn't care if it's frozen. It's still dirt. Also, I don't really care how much water vapor is in the air, to make that thick of ice, you'd need a LOT of standing water. I'm taking about actual Permafrost, like in the tundra. That is a major reason why Siberia isn't able to be drilled upon easily. That and about fifty feet down you hit literal ice. If Perma frost is capable of Detering a machine that uses up to 10000 kilograms of newtons in force, and is diamond tipped, I'd say that a Doton jutsu has relatively no chance. Perma frost actually is on top of the soil, for about five inches, below that is harder permafrost, and larger chunks of rock. Interesting. I've never really studied that stuff. But that actually increases my point. There is no way on earth you would be able to do that. If I was to make a guess going by the facts you stated, perma frost starts way underground with that ice, and freezes it's way up through the earth until everything is frozen. While that makes it an awesome apocalypse scenario, it also makes it completely impossible to accomplish with any sort of jutsu. To make something that dense, and that far reaching, would require the full chakra capacity of everyone in this guild, ten times over. You're not gonna do it.
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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:46 pm
Hinote Tosatsu Golden Spider of Kumo Really? Huh, I thought that in the bloodline description it siad they had to have a source of earth... Oh well, I guess that Hyouton and Crystal are alike in that matter. { Also, It would be hard to make it not obvious. } Actually, whereas the crystal bloodline states that it can be formed from anything, the hyoton must be formed from water. Meaning the crystal has the advantage in that regard. Golden Spider of Kumo Idk about that Hinote, If I Isolate someone's crystal I'm not sure, but I don't think that it would be of much use, unless they have a jutsu that can make the crystal expand. The same could be said of isolating your ice with crystals. Of course, both are useless attempts. Your ice works in large things like that, while the crystal mostly works by augmenting the user, or making projectiles. Golden Spider of Kumo Also, I do have a high speed attack jutsu... o3o It can't be stopped for four miles, and It says that anything caught in it's path would be very sorry. I'm taking it that if it were to hit a person, then it would basically mushify them. It says that the Kunai can't even be seen. o3o Seeing as that is an S-Rank jutsu, I don't really think it counts. I'm talking high speed bowling ball sized chunks of ice. And in the event that the crystal just happens to be in the form of a blade, you'd have to hit it just right too, or it'd just chop up your ice making it pointless. Golden Spider of Kumo Plus Hyouton is said to be unable to be broken except by a Taijutsu specialists Strength. Crystal on the other hand has things called Faults, where the crystal is extremely weak. I'd say that someone would be able to break it on a fault without being a Taijutsu specialist. Actually, the crystal is about the same in that regard. It requires a strong taijutsu hit to break it. Anything else pretty much glances right off. I don't want to read the crystal bloodline because that way I can't Meta game, but I was sure that it said that it had to be made from earth not anything... confused Because if it does say anything, how does it crystalize Water? And I know that I have to use water, I never said I didn't. But EVERYTHING has moisture in it, so I can freeze things by using the moisture in it. { not exactly everything does, but for the most part things do. } Isolating my ice wouldn't really be that good an idea. I mean most of my jutsu kinda just sit there after I use them. Hyouton doesn't really leave much room for reuse. Well, Maybe not to that effect, But I have Hail wich is Spears of Ice raining down on someone, and I Have Ice Swallow, which is a couple of Sharpened Icecicles flying at you at relativly high speeds. I know that, But if I were to hit a Fault, where the Crystal naturally splits { Crystal has smooth sides, so on faults, the Crystal has some attachment, but for the most part it is a smooth side. This is fairly easy to spot, but I'm not sure if the jutsu would have any really. } @ Greg I'm not saying that, Merely that Crystal has natural places where it is easier to break, Ice is fairly well all around. { As long as it is pure ice, without air bubbles in it. }
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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:54 pm
Hinote Tosatsu Golden Spider of Kumo Hinote Tosatsu Golden Spider of Kumo And By Freeze the earth, I mean make something similar to a temporary perma-frost. That would make someone unable to use earth jutsu on that ground, because of the fact all moisture in that earth is frozen, locking it in place. { I'd assume a Earth jutsu of Equal or a rank higher would nullify this effect, or even if the user of the earth jutsu specifies using it below the Perma-frost. Granted that would make a spire much shorter, and depending on jutsu rank possibly unable to peirce the perma-frost. It doesn't work like that Kumo... Frozen or not, earth is earth. Also, the layer of moist earth that usually freezes into frost is about three feet down. Yes, in the winter the frost reaches the top, but it starts way down in the ground. To freeze the ground the way you're talking would require a kages entire chakra capacity to freeze all the ground in the area, along with your supposed five inches on top. Without those five inches of ice though, It would be beyond simple for someone to just use the dirt as is, frozen or not. Dirt doesn't care if it's frozen. It's still dirt. Also, I don't really care how much water vapor is in the air, to make that thick of ice, you'd need a LOT of standing water. I'm taking about actual Permafrost, like in the tundra. That is a major reason why Siberia isn't able to be drilled upon easily. That and about fifty feet down you hit literal ice. If Perma frost is capable of Detering a machine that uses up to 10000 kilograms of newtons in force, and is diamond tipped, I'd say that a Doton jutsu has relatively no chance. Perma frost actually is on top of the soil, for about five inches, below that is harder permafrost, and larger chunks of rock. Interesting. I've never really studied that stuff. But that actually increases my point. There is no way on earth you would be able to do that. If I was to make a guess going by the facts you stated, perma frost starts way underground with that ice, and freezes it's way up through the earth until everything is frozen. While that makes it an awesome apocalypse scenario, it also makes it completely impossible to accomplish with any sort of jutsu. To make something that dense, and that far reaching, would require the full chakra capacity of everyone in this guild, ten times over. You're not gonna do it. No, you've got it backwards, The Permafrost began at the top. The low temperatures froze the topsoil, and continued to freeze and freeze and freeze until it got extremely deep. The Top soil isn't the hradest, because it is able to { with quite a bit of force, or pinpoint accuracy } Be broken, so it is like normal dirt, however deeper down it is like Rocks. It actually is rocks, but I've already stated that. Where do you get that it starts way down? The core is kinda down there, and under the ground is actually quite warm. Also, It wouldn't be that hard, I'd just have to freeze water below the earth's surface. But the Perma-frost would follow the same rules of Hyouton, in such that Doton jutsu of equal or higher rank could nullify this effect. BUT None of the above statement matters because I don't have a jutsu capable of doing something so wide spread. { Roughly I'd just affect an area of around 50 meters with it, but that is neither... You know what screw it, it does apply, but I don't feel like explaining why because it is obvious. } FUN TID-BIT!In the tundra, the Trees only grow in extremely low altitudes and only in rocky areas. Only dead grass has been shown to have ever grown on the tundra, making it seem that the Tundra did not occure quickly, and that it was the result of decades of cold temperatures.
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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:59 pm
Wait, I've made an oopsie. Here is the original post: Quote: I'm taking about actual Permafrost, like in the tundra. That is a major reason why Siberia isn't able to be drilled upon easily. That and about fifty feet down you hit literal ice. If Perma frost is capable of Detering a machine that uses up to 10000 kilograms of newtons in force, and is diamond tipped, I'd say that a Doton jutsu has relatively no chance. Perma frost actually is on top of the soil, for about five inches, below that is harder permafrost, and larger chunks of rock. Here is a revised/more specific post { Only Bolded things need be noticed. } : Below that is Large Chunks of Rock, which are frozen in ice.I kinda got mixed up from three different people besides me posting at the same time. sweatdrop
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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 3:02 pm
@ Hinote If I were to make a C Ranked jutsu that did something like that, Could it be approved?
This can be answered by any crew member, I'm just asking hinote because he has been the one doing the custom Jutsu.
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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 3:05 pm
@ Kumo: Isn't it kinda funny how just as you "won" Hinote came out of nowhere xD
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