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Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh wouldn't it be so cool to sit down and have lunch and a good chat with some of the people who made history!

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I don't know who I would pick to talk with!

Too much time pointing out the flaws in his argument in the GD I guess.

It's annoying when you have to make people who are supposedly on your own side look like idiots xd

I believe in God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit, the Three-in-one. I trust Him completely, and without His guidance and love, I know I wouldn't be the same good-natured person I am today. I owe all I am to Him, and I try to live daily in His word and as He would wish me. I read the bible a lot, and I;m very active in my campus religious-wise. My brothers and sisters are brothers and sisters in Christ, and I am closer to them than to my blood family. They, through the grace of the Lord, are what keeps me going.

I believe in the ways of the force
Honestly, I m not sure I do like to believe there is a god but then again I live more of a philosophical life than a religious one

Does God exist? Indubitably. So does the Devil.
What proof is there? The proof is everywhere, the proof is you and everyone you meet. Humans sin and that is undeniable. There nature is not the same as that of an animal. An animal feels no pull towards evil or good. It does not mindlessly slay its own kind.

One who claims to live as an observer or philosopher would be able to see these things if they paid attention. The worlds own history proves the existence that Man doubts. There are those who think evil exists, yet why then do they not believe in the reverse of it?
Doubt, it is something that stems from Man himself...it is what blinds him to the truth around him. Doubt comes from a lack of knowing. So to defeat doubt, you must learn and seek knowledge.

As one example. Lets take the concept of a rainbow. You can analyse a rainbow and agree that its spectrum of colours are caused by light reflecting off the water particles. Indeed, but that does not answer the why of it. Why is it shaped like it is? Why does it exist? Scientific theories simply state it as "phenomenon". Then the matter is swept away. "It must be just something we can't explain, and oh well lets leave it at that." Those scientists are no fools. They know the reason but won't admit it.

Its denial it is. Most of you here are in denial. All people are governed by their own mortality and the fear that comes with it. Their pride...fear, jealousy, all those negative emotions...they blind people to the most obvious of truths. However, this will not change. Whatever is not agreeable is rejected by Man and so he is content to live out his 120 year lifespan in ignorance...all the while in denial...

Let me ask you something, when you go through hard times in your life and you feel despair, do you ever think to blame God for your misfortune...the being everyone claims exists but never see? It seems logical at the time does it not? If such a being exists, why does is it not help you? Why do so many people suffer each day and yet no help comes? Why is there such evil in the world? Oh, but you know the answer already. Evil exists, therefore, there exists Sin. Which is as much a starting point as any. You'll have to find your own answers in life, instead of blaming someone who half of you claim does not exist. In the end there is only one answer, one universal truth and thats for each person to try and learn on their own.

If I so desired I could argue that animals are people too...but they're not the same. They never will be. You could not discuss something like this with your pet dog. They do not have knowledge of good and evil. They lack the thing humans call a "conscience". To your link, as they state, it is a matter still under investigation and it is if anything, more evidence to my own points. Dolphins are predatory animals, to exhibit such a behaviour is not uncommon. For those animals, attacking the weak and helpless is a natural thing. To have only realised this by now indicates a level of denial on the part of the scientists. They wished to believe that predatory creatures like dolphins were incapable of following their current nature. Why? Were they not clinging to some sort of hope? So where does hope stem from? Do tell me.

As I said, Sin is a starting point. If you're really interested, then you'd learn more about Sin. You'd learn what it is, what it means and where it came from.

While it is possible to see a small circular rainbow in certain unusual conditions, we see it as a bow. Have you ever seen a full circular rainbow in the sky? To your "arguement" about rainbows. You've told me exactly what I already mentioned. There is no answering the why of it. Why do rainbows exist? Not how.

Those truths are the things you don't want to see, and for me to tell you to look and pointing at the evidence does not mean you will feel inclined to do so...and even if you look, you may deny what is in front of you. I've already given you proof and I'd dearly love to hear your own arguement which as you say, lacks proof.

Why does God not fix the worlds troubles on Man's whim? Why indeed. God does not do pointless actions. To stop every pointless squabble amongst humans would serve no purpose. Do you wish him to rewrite the very existence of Man itself then? That would solve all the problems, but then you'd lack the free will that makes you what you are. Why would He change the nature of man?
Indeed though, God has already inacted events that will alter the course of the world and it is not through the bending of will.


I would rather like to hear your views on this matter, in as much detail as possible. Also, if you note your own line of reason and questioning, it is awfully similar to what I expressed in my previous post is it not? I don't expect anyone to change their minds on what they believe, its all up to them. These are my views on it based on all the things that I've learned.

So in your own words, you've stated that animals and humans differ, and that by human scientists categorising us into different phylum, so was a heirarchy formed.The idea of kings is vain, but it is true that Man holds dominion over animals therefore, there is a difference. All life is the same in that it lives, in that there is no disctinction between animals and humans. Science has merely classified them into groups which they thought was fitting. I did not contradict myself, predators are not mindless, that is their way of life in this age. Its something that they must do. They cannot see alternatives like a human could. So that is their current nature. They cannot distinguish between good or bad. They do not have complete control over their own wills because they lack understanding. It is not mindless though, and to them there is gain of a sort, its just not apparent to you. The difference between humans and animals is that humans can understand the why of things while animals can't. A fog is over their minds that humans don't have. Step outside of your scientific box sometime and try to see things for what they are, not their chemical makeup or theorised behaviours.

Mhm, thats an all too common standpoint. Evil and good are just matters of perspective.To Sin is merely a transgression against your moral compass but what if, and humour me with this question at least...what if your actions had repercussions? If you had to live your days beholden to a set of laws that were not your own, and knowing that if you did not obey, there would be consequences? Lets say that there is only one time where your actions would be judged. The outcome of the judgement determining whether you live or die.Think of this hypothetically if you will. What would your feelings to such a situation be? Knowing that you will be jugded based on the actions of your life...is it a pleasing arrangement to you?

Science cannot answer the question of why a rainbow exists and neither can you. There are written accounts which do not involve scientists of which I'm not going to say because you will not accept it.

Hahaha, do you think having a religion is supposed to be a guarantee? I have no fear of my own death, I know the realities of it too and there is no denial. Once a person dies their life is over, their body will rot and feed the soil. There is no coming back by any mortal means and no illusions of it being possible. I don't live based on chances.There is no such thing. I've long ago accepted death for what it is. I listen to the views of other religions, I read their books when I can...learning as much as possible. I don't have a religion because it is "right for me", I have chosen one because it represents truth and I have found no falsehoods in its Holy book. All the explanations within it are backed up by evidence all over the world. Having a religion is not some exclusive club that those who appear to be followers get to join. Its a chance at hope. Hope is the thing which gives humans strength. People fight through the most difficult situations because of hope. Hope is the reason people live. As I've already accepted death, it is not for the promise of an afterlife but my own hope is that perhaps one day I can be judged to have done what is truly good. Whatever comes after is of no consequence. For a spark of hope, I think its worth finding our way through the mess of lies and falsehoods that blankets the earth.

You people will never be satisfied with proof given to you, which is why I've said you should seek it on your own. In the same breath that you say God may exist, you refuse to acknowledge one. Thereby absolving yourself of Sin in your own mind. Since you make the rules, you can do naught wrong. I've had this conversation time and again and your situation is not uncommon. Many people who have been to catholic schools and churches have come to think as you have. Did you ever read the Holy books of other religions? Did you ever read the Holy book of the catholic religion? Do not merely listen to the words of people standing on a platform and posturing. There is nothing that does not influence people, your past may very well be the reason you are an atheist. In fact, its most probable. This is choice and you've chosen to deny Gods existence. That is the truth behind your words.

I'm not going to tell you my religion because it has no bearing on this conversation and will not aid you in any way except to sate your curiosity, after which you'll attempt to cast aspersions on my particular religion and I don't want others to read anymore doubt-flinging. The only proof that will satisy people, is the proof they find on their own. In the end, words are just that.