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 Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 4:23 pm
The_Master_Wielder Wow... glad Typo wanted to rep herself... Hey Kain, want to go grab a Beer? ... ... ... ... The joke is that I'm not part of the trial process anymore, so Kain doesn't have to kill me! In my mind you still are. I see two tables, the judge seat, and the jury thing off to the side in a court, in my head. The two tables are facing the judge, and the jury seat thing is on the right side of the judges seat, from the judges position. I see Gear sitting at the table farthest from the jury, and you and Karma sitting at the one closer, with Xeg at the Judge seat of course. Basically you're still there since your client requested to represent herself, but still has you there just in case she decides to stop, I still see you there. Sorry.
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 4:32 pm
Actually, heading out Drinking with Kain would be pretty cool, methinks. Course, I'd need to be 21 first... *Does math homework.* Frickin precalc... *Grumble Grumble. Pencil breaks.* ........ Frickin precalc.
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The_Master_Wielder Captain
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 4:34 pm
I would be doing my math homework, but I don't know for certain if I'm still in the class, because of unfortunate events which made me miss the first day of class.
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 6:06 pm
o-KARMA-o Aiusagi Yeah I'm disappointed with the prosecution as well. This really is a joke. All i really wanted was an apology of some kind, but yeah this isn't going there >>
I've never apologized for what I did. To be honest, I don't feel sorry for it. I don't see how, in any way, it has harmed the guild. As a matter of fact, the level of activity now, even while it's a bit slow, is far above what it was when I deleted everything. Had I not banned the members, most people wouldn't even have realized what had happened for a few days, probably.
Nevertheless, I am sorry. I am sorry if I have hurt anyone in any personal way or done any permanent damage to any part of anything. However, I can't apologize for what I did. I'm not saying that I think that I was right in doing so, nor that I ever want to take that route again. Only that I don't believe what I did was truly harmful.
Sort of, like, if you are asleep, and you have to be at work in ten minutes. I may feel bad for waking you up by dumping water on your head, but it was the only way you would wake up after I tried everything else. I might apologize, but you would be grateful when you realized how late you would be if I hadn't. Then again, if you didn't give me the chance to explain why I dumped water on your head instead of just saying your name, you would probably still be mad at me, not even realizing that I had tried a million other things to wake you up before resorting to that.
Karma, I have always understood your reasoning for doing what you did. I read all the material that Darius provided to the league after the fact, however I never thought the ends justified the means. Undertood, but never agreed with. The fact of the matter is you betrayed a lot of people's trust. Correct me if I'm wrong with the following assumption; I think you think of yourself kind of like a marter, destroying yourself, and hurting yourself for the sake of us. But you didn't just destroy yourself in the process, all you seem to focus on is what happened to the league and what happened to yourself. Did the league regain activity? Yeah I believe so, for a shot while, and then it died down again. Any activity we have nowadays I fully credit to Wielder, not your attack. And you got hurt too, no one trusted you again. But you also hurt me, and I don't know who else, but see Gaia was supposed to be fun, and the GML was supposed to be a family. And all this sudden someone we trusted betrayed us all, and that kind of hurt is something that doesn't go away that easy. So was it worth it for a few months of activity boost? You decide.
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 7:42 pm
 ☸☸Ratchet Lombax☸☸Im not saying that what Karma did was right but alot of people in this guild joined around the time of the contests here. Karma(what ever your real life name is) could have banned those people,that would make sense. @Karma I think you did this without knowing what you was doing. I think you wanted to do one thing, but didnt think about it enough. You hurt many others in this guild that were or are your friends or even soon to be friends. Alot of work done was wasted. Now if you talked it over with your guild friends, maybe you all could have remove the topics then redo them for the better. But removing all even the members was not the right thing to do. It may take time to get friends trust, just alittle of it or you may not get them back. But think about what you did?Why you did it?How did you feel during this time? What happened before is? Was it the right thing to do?
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 7:43 pm
Ratchet: This discussion is about something you didn't experience, so your opinion on the matter is moot. Please, don't interrupt it again.
Sagi, the reason her plans didn't pan out the way she wanted them to is the Crew's fault, VC and Captain included, especially the Captain. Instead of utilizing that moment or panic and choas to recreate a lot of the League's structure, the higher-up's simply copied what they could and pasted it back into place. That's why the activity we saw then, dwindled. After the erase, I stepped in to try and finish the job for her. I failed, and so the League failed. But now, look at Gravite, which under my suggestion took a huge change in its purpose. We should have done that when the guild was good and empty, or, better yet, before Typo was pushed to do what she did.
Shortly before the erase, Typo had posted a HUGE, and I mean HUUUUUUUUGE (I've read it) thread opening that went through everything she felt was negative about the League and what she felt needed to be changed. A lot of what she spoke about there, we spoke about in Gravite. Now Sagi, you and I both know long posts are barely read in entirety. But from what she told me, from what I saw through her, Wielder was the only one who gave a reply to her post, and it was about a single issue out of the hundred. No one else gave a reply. No one else commented on Typo's effort. And everyone in power seems to forget everything she's done for us prior to the erase, and how she's been acting sense.
What I can't understand is why she's on trial alone. She and I, at the time, became practically equal partners in our plans to help the League, and it was apart of those plans (separate agendas, similar rewards). Just because she did the clicking, doesn't mean she was the only one behind it. The thread I made in Gravite should also testify to my involvement, and yet here I remain, unquestioned. Have I somehow proven my trustworthiness to the 'People' of the League? Was it my involvement in Gravite? Because she would have happily joined us there if she had been asked. Is it my 'Give 'em hell, get it done' attitude? Is it my love for the League? I adopted my passion and my focus from her, because she couldn't be here to do it herself, and I put it to use in every instance I could.
But whatever,
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 7:50 pm
The_Master_Wielder You know, I really would have liked to respond to the parts in exhibit E involving meh. ... ... ... So I will! And I'm sure none of this has any relevance now, but it's still good for a leader to be transparent about his actions and such to those he leads. Take Jan Brewer, Governor of Arizona: She's on her Facebook daily, telling people what she's doing, what she thinks, and what she's aiming for. Sooo... here we go! " His recommendations have been much along the lines of, "TELL HIM THIS AND HE'S NOT GOING TO GET AWAY WITH IT AND WE'RE BETTER THAN THAT AND HE'S STUPID...SO HA." I think at the time, I was just irritated by SS#1, more than anything else. I mean, the guy's a d00sh. Not douche, d00sh. "When I first met Wielder, I warmed up to him a bit. But as time rolled on, like it always does, I started to not trust him. Not just because of the things I've found out through you and Nero, which shed some light on the matter actually, but before that. It's his mannerisms, and the way he acts at times. The way he forms his posts, the things he says, the jokes he makes... I'm not saying their identical, but there's a similarity I can't quite put my finger on. Maybe it's because I think he always has more to say then what's he actually says. " I've noticed the similarities, too, you know. If memory serves, for a while I was kinda n00bish in my typing, because I was pretty new to the internet. I mean, I had had an email for a long time before, but I was never any real part of a community. So, when I joined you guys, and I went up slowly in rank, and such... I got better. I became more detail-oriented, because the details began to matter to me. Simultaneously, I was maturing in reality. When I first joined, I was still some kid who didn't like popular things, because the popular things didn't like him. Now, I'm a philosopher who likes unpopular things because they apply to him. Now, Suicide and I have our own similarities. The fact of the matter is, I'm f*cking insane, and obviously he is too. I can respect my enemies, and I like to think that he can too. I can use words well, and he can too. But I think that's where the similarities stop. I've got a huge Hero Complex. I want to be someone's savior, and never a villain. That alone separates Suicide and I. He wants destruction, which is fun for him, and I want to protect people from such wanton chaos, because it's fulfilling for me. "He Used to Type Like This, Putting Main Words in Caps all the Time, as if He were Doing it on Purpose to Make Himself Appear Different. When I mentioned this to him, however, he stopped even though he had said that it was just habit for him to type that way." I still kinda do that occasionally... sweatdrop But the reason I did it, was because I was kinda trying to emphasize certain parts, but not to the point of CAPITALIZING every SINGLE word I wanted EMPHASIZED. The idea was that it would better get my intended flow across. But people, both on Gaia, and IRL, kinda drew attention to it, so I mostly stopped. "Being accused to be Wielder was a shock, however." N...Nyah!?!? F*ck the What? Also, I think Negavit is a cooler spelling. And for what it's worth, Spellcheck doesn't like either version. xp And no, doomshot. Not that I know of. However, if it gets effin ridonkulous, then I think something can be arranged.
I'm glad you did respond. Though, I did tell you before that I had suspicions of you at the time. This is just further proof of that, I suppose.
To the first part, I'm sure now that it was more "let's drop this" type of attitude you were portraying, but not for the purposes we had previously thought.
And I also understand the way you type. We had a talk about that a long time ago as well, and you explained you being new to the internet. So, none of this is new information to me. Keep in mind, though, that those emails were sent not long after your promotion to crew. At least, not long on my clock. Define "long". Wait...don't define Long. >.>
The fact is, we can all act like him sometimes. The crappy fact is that, at that time, even the slightest details were being looked at with strict precision. Things got out of hand, as they often do on that topic, and suspicions and accusations got thrown about easier than monkeys throwing poo. I just wanted you to know that in no way were those posts supposed to make you look bad. I'm sorry if it may have seemed that way.
And yeah, that's a pretty cool way of spelling it.
And to be honest, IDGAF what the title of the thread is. I'd like to request, though, that for the purpose of records the thread be saved for future reference, just in case it's needed.
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 7:59 pm
As a side note: I'm not looking for anyone to justify my actions. I am sure that everyone disagrees with what I did. I wouldn't have done it if I thought there was any other way. I don't need acceptance, nor do I need to be fully understood or agreed with. I just want one thing to be known, and one thing only: I have never, and will never, do anything that I believe will cause harm to the guild. I don't think that harmed the guild. If you think it's like blowing up a building, then think of it as constructive destruction: knocking down an old structure that is dwindling and unstable so that you can build a new structure in its place. One that will stand the wears and tears of time, and be stronger than the first.
Ratchet, most of your questions can be answered by reading through the Trial and by reading what Darius just posted. He was my confidant through most of the time when the guild was having the most problems.
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:32 pm
I'm starting to wonder if maybe I shouldn't have just plead insanity. Seems it would have been easier believed, and made things go much quicker. Actually, I'd have RL proof for that...though no way would I show you. >.> It has my name on it.
I'm not very useful in conversation/debate tonight. It's been a very long week, and it's finally catching up to me after a very long day.
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:33 pm
Don't worry. Gear probably won't respond for a couple days, because he's probably busy.
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:35 pm
Alright, here's the deal.
This prosecution is bringing up a bunch of old personal s**t with it, and I can't ignore it. So, until it's done, I won't be sticking my head in at all. If Karma needs me to testify or whatever, I'll come help, but beyond that you won't see me.
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:15 pm
OK folks. I've sat down, read everything in this thread (even the irrelevant comments), and as someone who is a relative new person here (with a fully neutral opinion)...
Yes, the erasure of info and banning of folks from the old guild by TypO wasn't the best way to deal with in-guild difficulties. Even if things really DID suck that badly, there are code of conduct, ethics built into guilds (and one would hope, into RL), and those were bypassed.
However, I don't necessarily see TypO as being harmful to the GML at this point, especially now that she's NOT a crew member. If there's a punishment to be had, it *might* be in that she's forever disallowed from holding crew status, and in having her actions watched scrupulously...and in having to go through this whole (likely) embarrassing debacle.
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:20 pm
Truthfully, the more I look at this, the more one-sided it really seems. As with Sagi, I expected the case to be more going towards an apology, although I didn't really expect it to. Even more so, I'm beginning to see a side of things that probably wouldn't have been revealed to me if there were no case.
And to say the truth, I would admit I also happened to be on Typo's side during what happened, cause I could see what her intentions were. I can't say I would have done what you did in that situation, but I kinda felt a bit of that when the notion of the case was being discussed. (sorry if I'm revealing anything I shouldn't.) Sure, in my early days as crew, I was either too busy, or felt I didn't have much to contribute, but now that I feel more back, I felt annoyed that we even dwelled on the topic of having a case for so long. I even feel more annoyed that we haven't paid much attention to much else in the guild other than this case, the event, and the Parlor.
I started an RP, and Daen, Doomshot and I took part in attempting to revive the old Magic Dept RP. Truthfully, I think we should also take a point to work on ourselves, and not who's affiliated with Suicide or not. Personally, I could give two craps, as long as they aren't messing up thing's here, and I'm heavily censoring my comments right now.
I'm debating taking a freaking hiatus myself, because I've never been more annoyed with myself for not doing more, much less being able to do more. I've dealt with stuff over the past four months that would drive someone to an angry fit every time someone spoke (for Bahamut's sake, I nearly dropped a rather loud MF-Bomb in front of a 4 year old because I couldn't get sleep), and I'm still more annoyed at my self now than I ever have during these four months.
Go ahead and say I'm whining or b*tching, but seriously? If I hadn't spent the past week playing Tetris and actually CONTEMPLATING what I should say, I'd have snapped, and gone on a worse ranting rampage, big time.
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:34 pm
Mmm...yeah. SOunds like you're wound up too tight for an online (not IRL) set of pixels, dood. Take a few weeks, perhaps, do the chill thing, have somewhere else to get your fun on, and gradually return when imminent implosion/explosion and/or burnout are past. smile Just my 2 cents.
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:32 am
Darius Roslyn Alright, here's the deal. This prosecution is bringing up a bunch of old personal s**t with it, and I can't ignore it. So, until it's done, I won't be sticking my head in at all. If Karma needs me to testify or whatever, I'll come help, but beyond that you won't see me.
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