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I completely disagree. I love my birthcontrol (i've been off it for two weeks now and I feel sick, crave copious amounts of sugar and am getting acne again T^T). Sometimes your chemical balance is already ******** up and also birthcontrol is completely safe. It has been around for almost 50 years. It has evolved to minimize negative effects and increase positive effects (like no children <3). Also, go watch some horror movies talk2hand there is no zombie movie that is caused by bad birthcontrol. Mutated viruses and bacteria for chemical warfare =/= estrogen and couple other naturally occurring chemicals that ward off babies.

I'm the complete opposite regarding your second statement. I'd rather dumbasses NOT reproduce.


Obviously, I'm pro choice. Yes, mistakes can happen which is why we have abortion as an option so use it 3nodding my only complaint about birthcontrol and abortion is the fact that neither are widely accessible (except for condoms but no one likes those). Seriously, want an abortion? Well get to the clinic before 3:30 because that's when they close. Want to get your annual check up so you can get your year's prescription for birthcontrol? Well, 3:30 >.< It's a major pain in the a**.

In general pro life arguments don't hold up for me.
"that life could be the next president o3o" - Or the next hitler =.= "but its about how you raise it" - People who are not financially ready or mature enough to take of a child seldom raise said child correctly. Yes, there are a few exceptions but is it worth it for the norm? No, I don't think it is and would rather both get cases get abortions and hold off on producing children until they meet those to requirements.

"It's murder" - then miscarriage is involuntary manslaughter? no? then no, removing a fetus from the womb when it cannot survive outside of the womb is not murder, lest you want to pass legislation to make miscarriages considered manslaughter.

"... adoption =D?" - No, the American adoption process is ******** up. Not only is it incredibly diffcult to adopt, but your child only has about year before they aren't adoptable and live a fate worse than hell, the foster system (seriously, all the people I have ever met who have been raised by the foster care system have been seriously ******** up and I would rather not consign my hypothetical child that I brought into the world to that).

@Shiori: I take my bithcontrol religiously (except right now because my prescription expired and I have another 2 weeks before my appt T^T), and use condoms religiously when on my inactive pills, but as careful as I am it is still possible I could get pregnant? Is it really my fault since I work my a** off using preventatives? Hardly, s**t happens. I'll be the first to say, even right now my fiance and I have the financial security to take care of a child but we are also buying a house and house vs baby, well house wins. Now, with my materialistically driven self would you really want someone like me to be forced to take care of a baby I don't want? No! You would have to be smoking so much crack to say yes. Right now I know I'm not a fit a parent.

I dunno, hence why I'm not trying to tell people it's wrong to abort ^^;;

XD Or it proves that it stabilizes my hormones and therefore should be used continually. Withdrawal symptoms are suppose to be sever negatives like "OMG headache T^T".

Estrogen is naturally occurring, zombies are caused by things that aren't naturally occurring in the body. Watch Zombie
Strippers, clearly the most feminine zombies I've ever seen, not caused by estrogen. Also, if estro-zombies existed it wouldn't matter if you were or were not on the pill. One bite and you're still screwed just like real zombies or as Zombie Strippers showed us.

@Shiori: just a statement you made earlier. Wouldn't have mattered who made it.

. . . why does having more than four children disturb you? It just shows that you want lotsa kids, chose not to take birth control, or some such.
I'm the youngest of four 3nodding

@OP: Against.
Just because your birth control failed, you feel you "can't" have a baby for some variety of reasons (can't support it, mentally unstable, etc.), or you were impregnated by force (i.e. rape) doesn't mean you should kill it. Sure, if you're a rape victim, you just don't want it, or you "can't" keep it, it may be hard to go through the pregnancy, but it makes more sense to give that baby to someone who wants it.
If it's for a medical reason - going through the pregnancy would kill you, or cause serious problems/potentially kill you and the baby, etc. - it does make sense, possibly.

Babies require sustenance (provided through the umbilical cord) and their hearts beat. If that doesn't make them alive, there really is no good place to draw the line of becoming alive.

@Daypaw: Good heavens. Someone's parents just need to put them on BC.
I cannot believe people would actually talk about that in the middle of a classroom, with other people there burning_eyes

Heartbeats are hardly a requirement of being alive. Many organisms survive without heartbeats.

Additionally, there are 4-6 weeks where the baby does not have a heart beat. Would it then be acceptable in this condition?

More alive, meaning there are different degrees of alive. So how alive is alive before it's murder? Can you empirically define it?

Eating vegetables doesn't make me a murderer? o.O

But I thought alive was an absolute. You're either alive, or your not alive.

But it varies from person to person?