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 Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 2:58 pm
The_Wicked_Man Kapitein Kanker . . . it had next to nothing for a plot, and. . . the assholes in the theater around me actually cheered for the a*****e in the movie when he got his revenge. First of all, if you realize that there is context to the scene where "the a*****e in the movie" kills someone else (i.e. revenge), then there is a plot. Second, do I really have to point out something as blatantly obvious as the plot for Hostel? Three guys are backpacking through Europe while "hunting" for sex, drugs, and an overall good time when the tables are turned on them and they become the hunted, betrayed by their own desires. It's that simple, and although I have never read the back of the DVD box, I'm confident that it says something similar to what I just wrote. I was saying that there was "next to nothing for a plot" as a hyperbole. Obviously, yeah, there was a plot. However, I don't think the movie really capitalized on the plot so much as the sex, drugs, and "overall good time" and the lame-brained violence. Like I said, I kind of liked the idea of the movie. I just hated the movie as a whole because of the other reasons I listed, and whatever plot there was wasn't enough to make up for the overall shittiness. And you have to admit that the actors were terrible. The lines were pretty trite a number of times. And, a Pulp Fiction easter egg? That's lame. That's really, really lame.
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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 5:00 pm
Kapitein Kanker I don't think the movie really capitalized on the plot so much as the sex, drugs, and "overall good time" and the lame-brained violence. The pathos is much deeper than that. The similarities between the brothel in the Netherlands and the "art exhibit," the the backpackers' desires and the wishes of the businessmen, the American businessman's argument for how murder is more memorable and envigorating than sex . . . the entire movie is a Cronenbergian* parable. *A story told in a manner similar to various films made by David Cronenberg which contains various paralells between sex and something that is not commonly associated with sex (in the case of Hostel, that would be torture and murder).Kapitein Kanker And you have to admit that the actors were terrible. The lines were pretty trite a number of times. Actually, I have no problems with the acting. If Eli Roth can capture moments of sex and violence on film and show some sort of deep, underlying relationship between the two scenes, then he has succeeded at getting acceptable performances out of his actors.
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The_Wicked_Man Vice Captain
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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 8:59 pm
i liked this movie i had not problem with any part of it at all
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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 11:33 pm
The Simple truth, is if you had a problem about how the film is presented, you shouldn't have seen it. It was exactly what it was made out to be, a Gore Fest. There was Great acting, good plot twists, and good filming.
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The_Wicked_Man Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 7:06 am
KingOfRats The Simple truth, is if you had a problem about how the film is presented, you shouldn't have seen it. It was exactly what it was made out to be, a Gore Fest. But it's not just a "gore fest." The scenes of torture and violence have a context much deeper than, "Someone is getting tortured by a businessman." It is still a story about how people who are desperately seeking a good time become the victims of a group "elite hunters" who are desperately seeking pleasure in violence.
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Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 8:04 am
I'm sure those who are Sadomasochists could touch deeper and understand what Wicked is trying to say. To Sadomasochists (in this case... The dominating side) pain to others is just as great or even better than sex. And it's frowned upon in society, so they probabaly do it in secret.... then again I haven't seen the movie yet. Am I kind of close to what you were saying Wicked?
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The_Wicked_Man Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 11:10 am
Everything Zen I'm sure those who are Sadomasochists could touch deeper and understand what Wicked is trying to say. To Sadomasochists (in this case... The dominating side) pain to others is just as great or even better than sex. And it's frowned upon in society, so they probabaly do it in secret.... then again I haven't seen the movie yet. Am I kind of close to what you were saying Wicked? That's pretty much it....except sadomasochists also enjoy hurting themselves or having other people cause them pain; the antagonists in Hostel are only sadists. It's just interesting how the characters in the film who are targeted by the sadists are people who are only looking for sex and parties.
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Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 11:45 am
Heh, that's why I said the dominating case... I couldn't think of another word to describe it. I really don't know why it is... But I call it the Slasher factor. The game old tale... You have sex, you die. That and it may be a mind game of purity. They prefer to take down the less innocent people, I don't know what it is. Maybe the sadists believe they'll enjoy it more than someone who is good and stays only to normal clean aftermarrige sex or something.
Or it could be a sense of justice. Taking down the non-pure with violence. Or a Batman like factor... ahem. Batman goes out, and puts all his anger and aggression into the baddies and formulates his own justice, and let's the law handle it after him.
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Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 10:31 pm
Everything Zen Heh, that's why I said the dominating case... I couldn't think of another word to describe it. I really don't know why it is... But I call it the Slasher factor. The game old tale... You have sex, you die. That and it may be a mind game of purity. They prefer to take down the less innocent people, I don't know what it is. Maybe the sadists believe they'll enjoy it more than someone who is good and stays only to normal clean aftermarrige sex or something. But Hostel is not a film that follows that common philosophy; the protagonist is arguably the second least pure character (not including the torturers) in the movie. In a way, however, that may be one of the movie's minor flaws; I was never expecting the character who turns out to be the "hero" of sorts to get so much time in the spotlight.
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Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 6:24 am
Everything Zen I'm sure those who are Sadomasochists could touch deeper and understand what Wicked is trying to say. To Sadomasochists (in this case... The dominating side) pain to others is just as great or even better than sex. And it's frowned upon in society, so they probabaly do it in secret.... then again I haven't seen the movie yet. Am I kind of close to what you were saying Wicked? You are very close in your def of Sadomasochism, but you are slightly off. You are thinking of Sadosim: The sexuial pleasure of causing pain. Sadomasochisim is the genere in which Sadosim and Masochism are put in. Basicly if you were to define it would be the sexuial pleasure casue by giveing or reciveing pain. Now as to what Wicked was saying, I never said there wasn't depth to it, there is. But for those complainig about the way it was presented, they shouldnt have seen it. For in every advertisement that has been made for it, It has been definded as A Sexuial Gore fest. So anyone who saw it, and dissapproved of it, shouldn't have seen it in the first place. In my oppinion, the scaryest part about that movie, is that it is based off of true events, or so say Eli Roth.
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Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 12:18 pm
Supposingly every horror movie is based off true events. You could have placed it on the movie Saw and everyone would have believed it.
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Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 12:24 pm
I also had high expectations for this film, I watched it with my Uncle thinking it was going to be amazing. I also think there was to much sex even though I wasn't comlaining, but then again all films have some sexual content within them. The film had great idea's but didn't live up to them.
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Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 8:58 pm
Death_Lord_Xizor I also had high expectations for this film, I watched it with my Uncle thinking it was going to be amazing. I also think there was to much sex even though I wasn't comlaining, but then again all films have some sexual content within them. The film had great idea's but didn't live up to them. I respect you for you oppinion, and it's a very good point, but the sex was part of the plot, a form of suduction that lead to S&M
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Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 9:38 pm
Aw, come on. You have to admit that at least SOME of that sex was unneccessary to the plot. 3nodding
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Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 12:04 pm
Kapitein Kanker Aw, come on. You have to admit that at least SOME of that sex was unneccessary to the plot. 3nodding Like what? The sex in Netherlands serves to parallel the "art exhibit," and the sex at the hostel in Slovokia serves as a lure for the backpackers to get them into the "art exhibit." What other sex was there in the movie?
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