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 Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 3:59 pm
Meiling the Mighty *Thinks about Cowboy Bebop* Being a little "Literal-Minded" eh? xD ....NoIdidnotjustreadyourmind. *Suspiciously Specific Denial*
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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 4:03 pm
PCB Alice Margatroid In IN, it's more like Marisa and Alice are the odd couple. ↑ This.
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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 5:51 pm
Wotan Manasal But ZUN doesn't seem to care about what fanon says about the Touhouverse. After all, he killed at least three fan-made character pairings. True true, I may over simplified that equation. I do think there are cases in which canon has been influenced by fanon. Such as I belive it was association of Cirno being an idiot by fans which has led to her infamous being labled as "9.) Baka". Also in EoSD Meiling actively attacks and tries to protect the mansion. I believe fans have since displayed her as being a lazy/incompetent gaurdian, partly due to the fact that she is a chinese product and fails to defeat the intruders (but than so does everyone else in the mansion). Four years later in Perfect momento in a strict sense it is noted that she does in fact get caught sleeping on the job around noon. I may be suffering from "what came first, the chicken or the egg" but that is partly due to the fact that many times fanon and canon parallel and compliment each other quite nicely, partly due to most of what is fanon being interpretations of what is canon. Take the Momiji thing for an example, her offcial profile claims that "She has a very cooperative personality and executes her duties faithfully". Since Aya is the only actual tengu we know, it is safe to assume that Momiji would than be cooperative and faithful to Aya, as no evidence was at the time there to led us to assume any diffrent (maybe except that the profile dosen't say Aya specifically). The reason for the differiation in fanon and canon comes from three years after the fact they decide to add notes that Aya and Momiji have a fued bickering relationship. So Momiji may have a cooperative and faithful personality, just not to the one tengu you know. You can take the lawyers stance and point at the fine print, but you have to admit its pretty misleading. The fact that ZUN dosen't take the time to compeletely round out his characters leads to many of these fan interpretaions of his work which makes up much fanon. What is the most recogniseable and accepted interpretaion of a character is not always the straight canon, but usually something of a mixture of both. Its something which makes touhou culture quite interesting, in which fanon does have quite a strong influence on what is accepted in the culture, sometimes even having a stronger influence than canon itself. The letty/cirno for example is suggested that the two arn't on friendly terms in canon, but despite such the fanon idea is more popular and recognised. I got to stop writing these essays...
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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 6:25 pm
Indentations are your friend dude.
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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 7:07 pm
Your right, sorry about the wall of text ^ ^' hopefully that makes it alittle more mangeable. KEINE POWERS ACTIVATE! You know you can probably get away with alot of canon inconsistensies by merely blaming Keine "The reason no remembers Mima is because Keine made everyone forget and Reimu did have a robotic maid named Ruukoto, but Keine changed the past so she didn't"
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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 8:50 pm
Shingami Hiroshi Take the Momiji thing for an example [...] You can take the lawyers stance and point at the fine print, but you have to admit its pretty misleading. It is misleading, really it is. In fact, the general vagueness of the Touhou storyline is precisely what makes me prefer to look at the fine print. You see, as a fan, I have the desire to know as much from Gensokyo as possible... but given the fact that a very important part of what we know about it comes from the fandom, I prefer to derive interpretations from the "official" sources, even when they're far-fetched or poorly supported, than to put my faith into something that is as likely to be adopted into the canon plots as it is to be disproved by them. Shingami Hiroshi The fact that ZUN dosen't take the time to compeletely round out his characters leads to many of these fan interpretaions of his work which makes up much fanon. It's quite possible he does that on purpose. ZUN considers his works "doujin art", after all... he puts himself on equal grounds and in the same field with his fans. All in all, the dialectics between ZUN's works and everything the fans come up with is incredible. The closest cultural phenomena I can think about are Irish folklorical songs. And don't you even think of stop writing these essays. I actually enjoy this sort of discussions very much. 3nodding Shingami Hiroshi you can probably get away with alot of canon inconsistensies by merely blaming Keine [...]Well, I guess this is the part where Hanzo joins the discussion and posts this. xd
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Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 12:21 pm
Wow, I didn't expect my post to change the whole entire thread topic sweatdrop
Sorry about that redface
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Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 10:34 am
Wotan Manasal Well, I guess this is the part where Hanzo joins the discussion and posts this. xd YES.
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Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 11:02 am
Hanzo Komeiji Wotan Manasal Well, I guess this is the part where Hanzo joins the discussion and posts this. xd YES. Heh.
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Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 12:10 pm
You know me pretty well, you knew that I'd link to a TV Trope when I got around to it. xD
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Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 2:04 pm
Well, I always try to deduct/predict as much info as I can from people I meet, based on how they act and talk. I'm not very good at it, but it's a skill I must master if I want to work as a psychotherapist in the future. The more of a Satori I become, the better.
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Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 3:45 pm
Well, so lemme get this straight, apparently this topic has gone waaay too far from what I expect from some people to take this topic as a joke (sorry if I posted this in the wrong section) but it was the good regret that I was actually hoping for because now you guys actually started to discuss about how Team Shanghai Alice does their business. By the way, the producers are the ones are to blame for making such an ingenious game, but who to thought that ZUN is the one who's gonna get ALL of the fanmail and all of which he'd ignore to. But anyway, to get back on topic, why don't you guys figure out one thing that my friend asks about me and I do quote. Quote: So how come ZUN only stopped to the point on that many characters rather than just making more?
Though there are some counter-arguements that I'm waiting for here. If you ahve any of em, shoot.
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Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 4:15 pm
Kenichi Tsukimura if ZUN keeps creating characters, the franchise would end up as much as pokemon will. Pokémon had 251 creatures by the time it started getting shitty. Touhou has between 90 and 120, I think. And anyways, Touhou characters oft have more of a backstory than Pokémon creatures.
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Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 4:58 pm
Wotan Manasal Well, I always try to deduct/predict as much info as I can from people I meet, based on how they act and talk. I'm not very good at it, but it's a skill I must master if I want to work as a psychotherapist in the future. The more of a Satori I become, the better. Indeed. I should develop that ability too, It could come in handy.
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Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 6:08 pm
Wotan Manasal Kenichi Tsukimura if ZUN keeps creating characters, the franchise would end up as much as pokemon will. Pokémon had 251 creatures by the time it started getting shitty. Touhou has between 90 and 120, I think. And anyways, Touhou characters oft have more of a backstory than Pokémon creatures. I'd say it's mostly the anime that's shitty, not so much the game, imo.
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