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 Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 8:21 am
Akherontis Javier Cross Mnemosyne Moneta Akherontis On an unrelated note, Aphrodite, I just updated your winged son's avatar to look a little more like Eros as you see him (and as I wanted him to look in the first place). I rather like the dichotomy between him and my Thanatos. Eros looks so cute! I wanna hug him up! So that's what Eros looks like? Cool!!! cool I wonder where can we find him? Everywhere. The Greeks considered love to be a debilitating heart sickness, destroying reasonable thought and driving the noble to desperate acts. Interestingly, Eros' signature bow and arrows were a late addition, forged for him by Hephaistos. Before that, he used a torch to kindle the hearts of mortals. I can arrange for him to visit you Javier lol
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 8:30 am
like with a graphic tablet?
but anyway, very creative!
how many have you made so far?
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 3:53 pm
Akherontis Mnemosyne Moneta Akherontis Mnemosyne Moneta Akherontis All children, actually, all 35 of them. And one may also append to that the children of Eris, the children of Styx, the children of Aphrodite, the children of Hemera, the children of Praxidike and also some of Zeus' lesser known children. That's a lot of children... Though, I don't remember Erebus or Nyx in having wings, but I guess their darker side might explain something.. Aristophanes, the Birds: "Firstly, black-winged Nyx laid a germless egg in the bosom of the infinite deeps of Erebos" Apollonius Rhodius: "Eos’ celestial beams chased black Nyx from the sky." Quintus Smyrnaeus, Fall of Troy: "Then plunged the sun down into Okeanos' stream, and sable-vestured Nyx came floating up o'er the wide firmament, and brought her boon of sleep to sorrowing mortals." "The choir-leaders of the Hesperides driving their two-horse chariot along the path of night to the new turning-point, where Nyx passes through the light-bringing radiance in the eastern air; and she brings the day’s light, flying over the misty wave, a guide for sailors." See, Nyx was either winged or chariot driving, or both. I went with the wings because thematically they matched the vast bulk of her children, also winged. You and your fancy quotes and such. So, she has either wings or a chariot. Yet, Erebus isn't with wings. I already checked the fancy quotes. But yet, there are two, sort of, Erebus'. The titan, and then the place in the Underworld. Um, no. Erebos is NOT a Titan. The Titanes were the five sons of Ouranos and their relations, as after his castration he cursed his rebellious children, calling them Titanes Theoi, or 'Straining gods'. Erebos is a Protogenos, a primordial god emerging from nothingness. He is ALSO the place. Consider that Gaia is a person and place, as is Tartaros, Ouranos, Pontos and Aither, all siblings of Erebos. So, he's a part of Tarturus, then?
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 4:13 pm
No. I'll lay out the cosmology in words.
The universe is a sphere, a cosmic egg. Gaia, the earth, is a flat disc in the centre, straddled by Pontos, the sea. The upper half of the sphere is the dome of Ouranos, the sky. The lower half beneath Gaia is the infernal pit of Tartaros. In between Gaia and Ouranos is Aither, the radiant upper atmosphere where the gods dwell. Only the peaks of mountains like Olympos touch the Aither. In between Gaia and Tartaros is Erebos, the Underworld. Erebos is the darkness that fills all the cracks and crevices of the earth, seeping into our world in the form of shadows. At night, Nyx takes the inky gloom of her husband and wraps it across the sky like a veil, hiding the bright Aithereal day.
Erebos is technically located within the lower dome of Tartaros, and Domos Hadou, the kingdom of Hades, is located within Erebos. But the pit of Tartaros is as far below Erebus as Ouranos is above. It will take an anvil nine days to fall from Ouranos to the Underworld, and nine days more to fall to Tartaros.
I hope that clears up some confusion.
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 4:23 pm
Aphrodite Philopannyx Akherontis Javier Cross Mnemosyne Moneta Akherontis On an unrelated note, Aphrodite, I just updated your winged son's avatar to look a little more like Eros as you see him (and as I wanted him to look in the first place). I rather like the dichotomy between him and my Thanatos. Eros looks so cute! I wanna hug him up! So that's what Eros looks like? Cool!!! cool I wonder where can we find him? Everywhere. The Greeks considered love to be a debilitating heart sickness, destroying reasonable thought and driving the noble to desperate acts. Interestingly, Eros' signature bow and arrows were a late addition, forged for him by Hephaistos. Before that, he used a torch to kindle the hearts of mortals. I can arrange for him to visit you Javier lol Perhaps in the comments section or in another thread, as if he appears, i'd like to know how he operates and all that jazz. cool Otherwise, curiosity will kill me for failing to exercise caution.
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 4:31 pm
Here's a far more simplified chart of the Greek universe than the one I have posted in the Cosmology thread. Hope this helps. 
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 4:35 pm
Yeah, it does. I've been wondering who Pontus was... Starts to feel dumber and dumber per second
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 4:39 pm
Mnemosyne Moneta Yeah, it does. I've been wondering who Pontus was... Starts to feel dumber and dumber per secondS'okay. Pontos is the primordial god of the sea, either emerging from Khaos along with Gaia and the others, or being produced from Gaia herself. He had virtually no mythology, being superceded by his successors, Oceanus and then Poseidon. He remains, like Ouranos and Tartaros, an elemental force of nature, largely incomprehensible even to the gods. There is also a sea goddess in the form of Thalassa (possibly the true mother of Aphrodite), although it's not certain as to whether Thalassa is a separate being or just a feminine aspect of Pontos.
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 4:48 pm
Akherontis Mnemosyne Moneta Yeah, it does. I've been wondering who Pontus was... Starts to feel dumber and dumber per secondS'okay. Pontos is the primordial god of the sea, either emerging from Khaos along with Gaia and the others, or being produced from Gaia herself. He had virtually no mythology, being superceded by his successors, Oceanus and then Poseidon. He remains, like Ouranos and Tartaros, an elemental force of nature, largely incomprehensible even to the gods. There is also a sea goddess in the form of Thalassa (possibly the true mother of Aphrodite), although it's not certain as to whether Thalassa is a separate being or just a feminine aspect of Pontos. Which Aphrodite could it possibly be, sir?
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 4:57 pm
Javier Cross Akherontis Mnemosyne Moneta Yeah, it does. I've been wondering who Pontus was... Starts to feel dumber and dumber per secondS'okay. Pontos is the primordial god of the sea, either emerging from Khaos along with Gaia and the others, or being produced from Gaia herself. He had virtually no mythology, being superceded by his successors, Oceanus and then Poseidon. He remains, like Ouranos and Tartaros, an elemental force of nature, largely incomprehensible even to the gods. There is also a sea goddess in the form of Thalassa (possibly the true mother of Aphrodite), although it's not certain as to whether Thalassa is a separate being or just a feminine aspect of Pontos. Which Aphrodite could it possibly be, sir? There's only one Aphrodite. Aphrodite Ourania and Aphrodite Pandemos are just different facets of the same goddess, in the same sense as one might make a sacrifice to Khthonian Zeus (ie, Hades or Dionysos, or even Zeus in an odd role shift). Or one might consider the worship of Eutykhia (good luck) separate from the worship of Tykhe (fortune), despite them being two names for the same Okeanid. Or one might worship Athena Nike, or Hekate Selene Artemis.
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 5:17 pm
Akherontis Javier Cross Akherontis Mnemosyne Moneta Yeah, it does. I've been wondering who Pontus was... Starts to feel dumber and dumber per secondS'okay. Pontos is the primordial god of the sea, either emerging from Khaos along with Gaia and the others, or being produced from Gaia herself. He had virtually no mythology, being superceded by his successors, Oceanus and then Poseidon. He remains, like Ouranos and Tartaros, an elemental force of nature, largely incomprehensible even to the gods. There is also a sea goddess in the form of Thalassa (possibly the true mother of Aphrodite), although it's not certain as to whether Thalassa is a separate being or just a feminine aspect of Pontos. Which Aphrodite could it possibly be, sir? There's only one Aphrodite. Aphrodite Ourania and Aphrodite Pandemos are just different facets of the same goddess, in the same sense as one might make a sacrifice to Khthonian Zeus (ie, Hades or Dionysos, or even Zeus in an odd role shift). Or one might consider the worship of Eutykhia (good luck) separate from the worship of Tykhe (fortune), despite them being two names for the same Okeanid. Or one might worship Athena Nike, or Hekate Selene Artemis. In other words, its the same kind of thing with the two facets of Aphrodite as it is with the examples listed. I wonder what parts of the year would Hecate, Selene, and Artemis go to take control of the Moon, though?
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 5:27 pm
Selene is the goddess of the moon. Hekate is a goddess of nocturnal prophecies, necromancy, witchcraft, ghosts, and crossroads. She has lunar associations (sometimes she is said to represent the dark side of the moon), but she is not a moon goddes per-se. Neither is Artemis.
For example, Apollon is a god of healing, but Paion is THE god of healing. Hera is a goddess of marriage, but Hymenaios is THE god of the marriage ceremony. Demeter is a goddess of nature, but Gaia IS Nature.
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 5:32 pm
As an aside, I have a soundtrack of Greek folk music with an absolutely gorgeous prayer to Selene. Here it is on youtube.
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 5:43 pm
Akherontis Selene is the goddess of the moon. Hekate is a goddess of nocturnal prophecies, necromancy, witchcraft, ghosts, and crossroads. She has lunar associations (sometimes she is said to represent the dark side of the moon), but she is not a moon goddes per-se. Neither is Artemis. For example, Apollon is a god of healing, but Paion is THE god of healing. Hera is a goddess of marriage, but Hymenaios is THE god of the marriage ceremony. Demeter is a goddess of nature, but Gaia IS Nature. Thanks for helping to clear it up. Is it just me, or could i have sworn that the music to Selene was meant to be from the middle ages, somewhere?
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 5:45 pm
Javier Cross Akherontis Selene is the goddess of the moon. Hekate is a goddess of nocturnal prophecies, necromancy, witchcraft, ghosts, and crossroads. She has lunar associations (sometimes she is said to represent the dark side of the moon), but she is not a moon goddes per-se. Neither is Artemis. For example, Apollon is a god of healing, but Paion is THE god of healing. Hera is a goddess of marriage, but Hymenaios is THE god of the marriage ceremony. Demeter is a goddess of nature, but Gaia IS Nature. Thanks for helping to clear it up. Is it just me, or could i have sworn that the music to Selene was meant to be from the middle ages, somewhere? It's the ancient Orphic hymn to Selene, sung to the tune of classical Greek instruments reconstructed by an ancient historian. The Kithara, signature instrument of Apollon, is the ancestor to the Guitar.
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