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 Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 11:15 am
KasumiAngel I think Kerry's creepy... and I can count towards the minority of well educated Bush supporters. smile Aye, and you can count me in as well. 3nodding I think that if you are more educated you are going to pick Bush... I mean, the 'more educated people picking Kerry out of spite for Bush."... Doesn't that sound a bit stupid to you? "I'm picking Kerry, because... Erm... I don't like Bush... But hey, I'm smart!" Anyways, I -like- Bush actively, as I've said in other threads. Bush is a hero for me. I mean, he's: a) Pro-Life b) Not afraid of his own faith c) Something I think many people like about him is that he's made mistakes, and he owns up to them d) His views, on any subject, are strong ones that he will fight for. e) Our military respects him. Reasons I -don't- like Kerry is mostly because of opposites of Bush: a) He's Pro-'Choice' b) He hides from his faith, and does things that his faith is thinking about excommunicating him for c) His views? Non-existent. He believes in (Insert local-majority-vote here) d) Who can respect someone who is for the war one year, and the next it's the wrong war in the wrong place at the wrong time? e) I don't think that creatures -created- within the United States count as being born in the US... *Franken-Kerry* And those are just the few I can think of right now.
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Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 1:21 pm
I.Am KasumiAngel I think Kerry's creepy... and I can count towards the minority of well educated Bush supporters. smile Aye, and you can count me in as well. 3nodding I think that if you are more educated you are going to pick Bush... I mean, the 'more educated people picking Kerry out of spite for Bush."... Doesn't that sound a bit stupid to you? "I'm picking Kerry, because... Erm... I don't like Bush... But hey, I'm smart!" Anyways, I -like- Bush actively, as I've said in other threads. Bush is a hero for me. I mean, he's: a) Pro-Life b) Not afraid of his own faith c) Something I think many people like about him is that he's made mistakes, and he owns up to them d) His views, on any subject, are strong ones that he will fight for. e) Our military respects him. Reasons I -don't- like Kerry is mostly because of opposites of Bush: a) He's Pro-'Choice' b) He hides from his faith, and does things that his faith is thinking about excommunicating him for c) His views? Non-existent. He believes in (Insert local-majority-vote here) d) Who can respect someone who is for the war one year, and the next it's the wrong war in the wrong place at the wrong time? e) I don't think that creatures -created- within the United States count as being born in the US... *Franken-Kerry* And those are just the few I can think of right now. I just want to point out that I hadn't stated anything about who I myself prefer and that I don't believe myself educated in the situation enough to make a valid decision. I was just pointing out what it seemed like from the point of view of a telephone interviewer from Canada. I'm sure we were simply calling an uneducated populace at the time or something that would make it seem to me like the people with that preferance are all like that. You must admit, however, that there are far too many blind followers on both sides. sweatdrop
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Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 2:17 pm
Vatican's saying Bush and Kerry are equally rotten (war in iraq is "unjustified"). I love church getting involved in politics. It gives so much support to the whole, electoral college thing. Avoid the mindless masses xp Yeah, bad pun, I know, but still. My church gave sheets telling what to look for in a candidate. Hitler is by their standards more electable than either Bush or Kerry. I laughed.
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Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 11:03 am
lymelady Vatican's saying Bush and Kerry are equally rotten (war in iraq is "unjustified"). I love church getting involved in politics. It gives so much support to the whole, electoral college thing. Avoid the mindless masses xp Yeah, bad pun, I know, but still. My church gave sheets telling what to look for in a candidate. Hitler is by their standards more electable than either Bush or Kerry. I laughed. Eh, I wouldn't say -equally- rotten. Bush is 'rotten' on a judgement standpoint; that he made the wrong choice to go to war. Kerry is rotten on the moral standpoint: He claims to be Catholic, but is Pro-'Choice', something that bishops are trying to get people like him excommunicated for. So they are 'rotten', perhaps, but on two different fields with very different importance to the church. I say that if the Pope were able to vote he'd vote for either Bush or a third party. But that's just my opinion.
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Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 1:45 pm
I think they say the majority of well-educated people will vote Kerry because a large majority of academics are liberals. This is speaking from experience, as I'm working very hard to make myself into a professional academic type person and most of my fellow-students and professionals are extreme liberals. It sometimes drives me nuts, but I try not to let it bother me... It's also kind of why I haven't been posting in the more serious threads here very often. [RANT] I'm about sick of the subject by the time I get home cause I'm always having to state and defend my position on religion (most academics are anti-established religion as well, especially anti-conservative Christian), abortion, politics... just about everything, since my perspectives tend to color my interpretation of things so I tend to end up on the other side of everyone else in discussions. [/RANT]
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Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 3:40 pm
KasumiAngel I think they say the majority of well-educated people will vote Kerry because a large majority of academics are liberals. This is speaking from experience, as I'm working very hard to make myself into a professional academic type person and most of my fellow-students and professionals are extreme liberals. It sometimes drives me nuts, but I try not to let it bother me... It's also kind of why I haven't been posting in the more serious threads here very often. [RANT] I'm about sick of the subject by the time I get home cause I'm always having to state and defend my position on religion (most academics are anti-established religion as well, especially anti-conservative Christian), abortion, politics... just about everything, since my perspectives tend to color my interpretation of things so I tend to end up on the other side of everyone else in discussions. [/RANT] I think it's because we have that terrible habbit of admitting that humans are merely animals and not little gods running around with supreme power, we realize that humans are flawed, some humans are bad, evil exists, and human nature makes most ideal societies impossible to work realistically. When you're an academic, you tend to be a bit dedicated, to something at least. You soak in ideals and they make perfect sense because ours is a society that encourages idealism because our list of impossible coping mechanisms is dwindling. Look, you had, "Well, some day men will fly like birds!" And then they went and invented a plane. "Someday we'll be able to see the world, dream of that day, work towards that day!" Boom, along came television. One more coping mechanism that just doesn't work. Of course, suicide never really made anyone feell happier. it just made them feel dead. video games came, drugs came, we've had drinks for awhile, cars, sex....well, I guess that was here before the rest of that stuff, but you never know, maybe the cavemen needed help from the discovery channel. Whatever the case, now they're on to things that can't work but wouldn't it be cool if it did because well, if we got it right, it would solve all of our problems, but we can't get it quite right because something in the mechanism (a human, sometimes maybe a monkey or two) always jams things up, so...ideals haven't had a chance to fail to fix the world yet because they haven't really had a chance to work properly. Actually, I'll stick with the holier than thou stuff. What I love is when they preach tolerance. I was in a thread. poor girl. I tormented her so, I'm just evil like thatQuote: think the main problem with human nature is that humans house beliefs beliefs are things that can not be changed, and people with beliefs, believe that everyone else should have those beliefs beliefs in this way are the cause of religious wars that will never end, because of two reasons 1)Beliefs are nearly impossible to change 2) Parents pass their beliefs down to their children. This is why I always keep an open mind, and I try to keep as few beliefs as I can Guess who went in expecting her to think? Never had a chance. I mean, she's nice and all, but people do this a lot, that's why I never claim to have an open mind because you can't possibly do it. In order to have a mind that was truly open, you would have to take into consideration that someone else is just as right or more right than you are. I mean, it sounds so right and moral and progressive the shed off these barbaric customs of religion and such and keep a minimum of beliefs, but you can have beliefs without religion. My favorite was asking her if racism was wrong. She said yes. I asked her why. she said because it's wrong to judge people based on their skin color. I think I said something along the lines of, what if it's wrong to not judge people based on their skin color? I'm not racist because, well, I believe along the same lines she does. my favorite of all was, myumyu lymelady myumyu TynKat Oh, guess I read it wrong then. Sorry about that. I also responded to the part where you said people with beliefs think that everyone else should hold them too. But surely you believe in SOME things, right? I mean, you believe in science? Evolution? The ozone layer? yes but I make sure that I will be able to change those ideas if a more logical idea forms who decides what is logical? ummmm logic maybe? he's a great guy you should get to know him At this point I realized that she'd probably never actually thought through her open-mindedness and wouldn't like it if I made her think too much about it because in the end she'd either have to say I'm wrong, which I don't seem to be (but I'll be open-minded and say I'm right and wrong...oh wait, no, that's just being a senator from MA, how silly of me) or she holds just as many unchangeable beliefs that people with religions do. Yes. She says if she could vote she'd vote for Kerry. Surprise surprise. Sorry, my family is like LIBERAtives. You've got half of the family very loudly preaching about how silly religion is and how we should just think like them instead of thinking like the pope (never entered anyone's mind that we quite like thinking for ourselves, but until the Pope starts pulling us to preach the evils of Kerry to them, which he has definitely not done since we'd have to admit to evils of Bush, we're not having to take sides). My best friend is the most liberal person I've ever met. The guy who took me to homecoming's pretty liberal, and by the time I get on gaia, I'm all liberaled out and ready to laugh at a liberal instead of being laughed at and preached at by them. They don't realize they have a religion though. It's called liberalism. One thing I never understood, "Why do you force your morals on me?" "Hmm, I'm sorry, but I believe you guys are the ones who took our choice of living in an abortion-free state away from us. You guys also pushed your morals on us, that every woman should have a choice. We do not believe that. You daily push on us that fetuses are not persons; another example of pushing your morals on us. I've gotten to the point where anyone who says, "I'm prolife, but I don't think I should push my morals on other people," I want to say, well, if you saw someone stabbing his or her elderly parent so that inconvenient old person wouldn't be sucking up money for medical bills and taking from time, energy, and resources, would you stop them? "Of course!" Then you're freaking prochoice, get over it. Gah. If you're secure enough in pushing your morals to stop one form of killing innocent human beings for convenience, but not the other, you're prochoice, you obviously don't have any qualms about picking and choosing which people should get away with murder, don't you dare tell me abortion is murder until you're ready to stop saying, "I don't believe I should force this on someone else," Because if you don't, you don't believe it's murder. You don't. I'm sorry. You may think it's killing, it's homicide, but it is not murder in your eyes unless you would support banning it and enforcing the ban as much as you believe in it for killing elderly parents who aren't "useful" anymore. Once you size up two humans and put a price on human life, it gets dangerous Rant done.
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Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 3:54 pm
I agree with your siggy Lymelady. I think most open-minded people are hypocrites, because they see certain things as open-minded (like being open to people who may want abortion whether they would themselves), but at the same time they're not open to other ideas, especially if those ideas are polar opposities of the ones they want to be open to... like they're open to every religion but Christianity, but the moment I mention I'm Christian, I suddenly become someone who's obviously never thought anything through in my entire life (ignoring the fact that I didn't convert to Christianity until after I turned 1 cool ... bakas.
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Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 4:06 pm
KasumiAngel I agree with your siggy Lymelady. I think most open-minded people are hypocrites, because they see certain things as open-minded (like being open to people who may want abortion whether they would themselves), but at the same time they're not open to other ideas, especially if those ideas are polar opposities of the ones they want to be open to... like they're open to every religion but Christianity, but the moment I mention I'm Christian, I suddenly become someone who's obviously never thought anything through in my entire life (ignoring the fact that I didn't convert to Christianity until after I turned 1 cool ... bakas. Of course. First of all, you don't think until 18, you merely exist. Then you've got the fact that all structured religion is a load of BS because it's not based on logic. Christians can't be logical. Other religions don't count. They're not oppressive like Christians are. I wish I could laugh at that, but I've heard all of those views from friends. And they meant what they said and they said what they meant.....
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Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 4:10 pm
lymelady KasumiAngel I agree with your siggy Lymelady. I think most open-minded people are hypocrites, because they see certain things as open-minded (like being open to people who may want abortion whether they would themselves), but at the same time they're not open to other ideas, especially if those ideas are polar opposities of the ones they want to be open to... like they're open to every religion but Christianity, but the moment I mention I'm Christian, I suddenly become someone who's obviously never thought anything through in my entire life (ignoring the fact that I didn't convert to Christianity until after I turned 1 cool ... bakas. Of course. First of all, you don't think until 18, you merely exist. Then you've got the fact that all structured religion is a load of BS because it's not based on logic. Christians can't be logical. Other religions don't count. They're not oppressive like Christians are. I wish I could laugh at that, but I've heard all of those views from friends. And they meant what they said and they said what they meant..... with the way they put it though you'd think I'd suddenly have stopped thinking at 18, since I didn't convert until after then. sweatdrop
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Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 4:39 pm
Ever said, I converted at 18, and gotten, well, we all make mistakes when we're young....
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Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 4:52 pm
actually, on topic, I'm about to go to a sleep study. They will hook me up to tubes and I will get as close to star trek as I possibly can....I will be assimilated. moreso than I already am. But it involves no bloodwork! I hope...unless they're sneaking it on me.... stare I'm prone to weird sleep when my sleep is messed around with. Which it probably will be since I will not have my blanket (yes, I'm 17 and still have a baby blanket sweatdrop But in my defense they're pretty practicle. They're warm, comfy, and small, so they're perfect for wrapping around reynauds feet like mine) or my pillow or an animal or a person and I think I will just be talking to God all night and they'll assume I'm talking to myself and lock me up a mental institute. Maybe that way I'll live when Kerry takes office, due to the fake story they're about to put out about Bush or to Bush not being a politician in the sense of being a realist, (yeah, nice fake story about weapons that got out on Bush's watch, it was leaked by whatshisface....but the weapons weren't there when we got there. I'm wondering if this would help Bush in the sense that they smuggled out weapons before we got there, meaning, there were WMDs....heh, jk. Sorta. still downright yellowcard....gah. The media of this age sickens me. it Sickens me. There's a trend toward anti-warism I'm gonna blame on the hippies for getting high and saying, free love, down with the war, make love not war, all those things. It's come to the point where anyone who says there is a need for war is laughed at.....after we realize.....oh wait. Now I know.
TV. I mean, used to be, we read in the papers and saw a few clips, yay! Let's fight! Watch out for the mustard gas.... Then they had Nam, and people were so traumatized and now...hmm... stare
fun fact....
WWII 2/3 of men who fought were drafted.
Vietnam 1/3 of men who fought were drafted.
Vietnam was 2/3 voluntary. WWII was 1/3 voluntary.
If we ever need proof that the public has no idea when war is wrong and when war is right until it's over, here it is.
Looking over my posts today I must say there must be a change in my medication or something because I've been extremely bitter, angsty, cynical, and fatalistic. Or maybe it's Kerry depression. I'm scared. I like having a nice economy and a nice safe country and a free country (how much freedom do you have if every second you're worried that someone might kill you? Anarchy makes no sense to me because it does not equal total freedom. It equals you're free to do what you want. Anyone who lives past their first ten years in life must be smart enough to know to always watch out and constantly be vigilant and to trust no one. Real freedom. I like what I've got, thanks very much.
We now return to our regularly scheduled program of sanity.
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Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 1:14 am
lymelady KasumiAngel I agree with your siggy Lymelady. I think most open-minded people are hypocrites, because they see certain things as open-minded (like being open to people who may want abortion whether they would themselves), but at the same time they're not open to other ideas, especially if those ideas are polar opposities of the ones they want to be open to... like they're open to every religion but Christianity, but the moment I mention I'm Christian, I suddenly become someone who's obviously never thought anything through in my entire life (ignoring the fact that I didn't convert to Christianity until after I turned 1 cool ... bakas. Of course. First of all, you don't think until 18, you merely exist. Then you've got the fact that all structured religion is a load of BS because it's not based on logic. Christians can't be logical. Other religions don't count. They're not oppressive like Christians are. I wish I could laugh at that, but I've heard all of those views from friends. And they meant what they said and they said what they meant..... you know, it's disturbing how many "moral relativists" are being churned out by the liberal school systems these days. The worst of it is when you disprove their moral relativism they just shrug and go off about another relativity that has no bearing on what you just said and while you sit there trying to figure out WTF that had to do with what your arguement said, they walk away thinking they've won...
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Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 5:19 am
german_bar_wench lymelady KasumiAngel I agree with your siggy Lymelady. I think most open-minded people are hypocrites, because they see certain things as open-minded (like being open to people who may want abortion whether they would themselves), but at the same time they're not open to other ideas, especially if those ideas are polar opposities of the ones they want to be open to... like they're open to every religion but Christianity, but the moment I mention I'm Christian, I suddenly become someone who's obviously never thought anything through in my entire life (ignoring the fact that I didn't convert to Christianity until after I turned 1 cool ... bakas. Of course. First of all, you don't think until 18, you merely exist. Then you've got the fact that all structured religion is a load of BS because it's not based on logic. Christians can't be logical. Other religions don't count. They're not oppressive like Christians are. I wish I could laugh at that, but I've heard all of those views from friends. And they meant what they said and they said what they meant..... you know, it's disturbing how many "moral relativists" are being churned out by the liberal school systems these days. The worst of it is when you disprove their moral relativism they just shrug and go off about another relativity that has no bearing on what you just said and while you sit there trying to figure out WTF that had to do with what your arguement said, they walk away thinking they've won... pretty much... xp
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Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 2:32 pm
Bah. Maybe I'm really going to leave Abortion threads alone this time. I doubt it, but I'm going to try. sweatdrop So if I'm not on for a while, that's why. whee
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Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 2:44 pm
Haha I know the feeling. Although I've been dabating a lot with McPhee in school, but he's really cool to debate with so it's not a frusterating debate, even if we disagree on some things. whee
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